Had to post this video I was watching regarding the Dez Bryant No Catch

[burmafrd]

if you were to talk to any WR or DB or coach from twenty years ago and show them the Dez play every single one of them would say it was a catch.

The NFL is just a symptom of what is wrong with society today. if it ain't broke do not fix it is something ignored now. There should never have been a Calvin Johnson rule. You should NEVER change a rule or manufacture one because of one play.

 

[Proximo]

That Calvin play is absurd. Obviously a catch. The rule is dumb. Dez's was a catch too.

 

[gimmesix]

If the NFL doesn't define what "all the way through" means, they have a meaningless rule they can bend to whatever they feel at the moment. They tampered with the Dallas Green Bay game.

What? You saying they didn't do that when they redefined it as "establish himself as a runner?"

 

[percyhoward]

What? You saying they didn't do that when they redefined it as "establish himself as a runner?"

Nothing was redefined. For several years, the process of completing a catch has been defined as when the player "establishes himself as a runner." In my sig, there's an example of this language from 2013. There are other examples from earlier seasons. As Blandino said, they didn't change the standard -- just the way they are communicating it.

The change was to take out the language that describes specifically what officials should look for in order to determine whether the player has established himself as a runner. Ostensibly, officials will still be looking for the same things, but the public doesn't need to know what those things are anyway, and controversy over calls generates more interest in the league. The end result is that they can still create programming by bringing on their expert to talk about the latest controversial call on this type of play, but they no longer have to explain inconsistencies in the explanations of the calls they've made.

Blandino got into trouble regarding Dez's reach for the goal line. Because he'd painted himself into a corner with his explanations of previous plays, he found himself in the position of actually having to say that Dez's play would have been ruled a catch if he'd reached with two hands. Messy. They're better off not publicizing the specific things they're looking for, which is why they "cleaned up the language" (their words). They're presenting the rewording as making these plays easier to officiate, but it really makes them harder to officiate because the language is less specific. The calls will be harder to make, but with one guy having the final say that no longer matters. It's now just one guy ultimately making these calls anyway. And his calls will be much, much easier to defend now that we don't even know what he's basing them on.

 

[Zekeats]

Nothing was redefined. For several years, the process of completing a catch has been defined as when the player "establishes himself as a runner."

That is where the rule is a joke. What happens if the player rolls over 20 times, going 15 yards and taking up 10 seconds of time and then the ball comes out? Ruling, incomplete.....never established himself as a runner = complete joke

 

[percyhoward]

That is where the rule is a joke. What happens if the player rolls over 20 times, going 15 yards and taking up 10 seconds of time and then the ball comes out? Ruling, incomplete.....never established himself as a runner = complete joke

It is. If their goal were to make this kind of call easier for officials to make, they'd say something like "a player establishes himself as a runner with control and two steps." Then everybody (players, coaches, officials, fans) would know to look for the ball not moving in the player's hand(s), and once that's accomplished, two steps (not toe taps, but heel-to-toe steps).

But if the standard were that cut-and-dried, there would be a burden on the replay official to get it right, or else answer for his "mistakes." He basically made it easier on himself by "clarifying" the specifics out of it. Instead of "a player has to do x, y, and z in order to establish himself as a runner," it's now simply "a player has to establish himself as a runner." This changes the way fans will look at replays on this kind of play, because instead of looking for certain things to happen when we see the replay, now we'll just watch and wait for Blandino's opinion, like dogs waiting to be fed.

 

[gimmesix]

Nothing was redefined. For several years, the process of completing a catch has been defined as when the player "establishes himself as a runner." In my sig, there's an example of this language from 2013. There are other examples from earlier seasons. As Blandino said, they didn't change the standard -- just the way they are communicating it.


Blandino got into trouble regarding Dez's reach for the goal line. Because he'd painted himself into a corner with his explanations of previous plays, he found himself in the position of actually having to say that Dez's play would have been ruled a catch if he'd reached with two hands. Messy. They're better off not publicizing the specific things they're looking for, which is why they "cleaned up the language" (their words). They're presenting the rewording as making these plays easier to officiate, but it really makes them harder to officiate because the language is less specific. The calls will be harder to make, but with one guy having the final say that no longer matters. It's now just one guy ultimately making these calls anyway. And his calls will be much, much easier to defend now that we don't even know what he's basing them on.

Potayto, potahto.

 

[TwoDeep3]

That was back when they played grown man pro football.

If you think of how great that teams was, just imagine if Erik Williams didn't screw his knee up and lose some of his talent.

Kevin Smith didn't rupture his Achilles and never be the same.

And Leon Lett having a drug issue and losing the best part of his career.

Or the back injuries to Haley and Novacek that shortened their careers..

That was a Hell of a franchise as it was. Remove those issues and no telling how many titles they would have won.

 

[percyhoward]

Potayto, potahto.

Only from a PR perspective. When you redefine something, you change it. When you reword something, you just change the way you talk about it.

 

[nathanlt]

I just watched a documentary on the tremendous effect the forward pass had on the game, and I couldn't help but think, "The current clown for referees doesn't have a clue how he's ruining the concept of a catch, and therefore, the forward pass itself." The general public has a better idea of what a catch is, instead of that brain damaged, drooling freak of the week, and quite possibly, the decade/century/millennium, whatever. I will celebrate when he is fired from the NFL.

I'm waiting!!!

 

[The Quest for Six]

LOL

Look at Harpers TD catch against the Giants..... go to the 15:40 minute/second mark.




What a Joke

you realize rules change, right!!!

 

[DavidS]

what does theranchsucks mean exactly

 

[Zekeats]

you realize rules change, right!!!

Yes ty for not reading anything past the OP

 

[dallasdave]

LOL

Look at Harpers TD catch against the Giants..... go to the 15:40 minute/second mark.




What a Joke

Great stuff, thanks for posting this, loving every minute of it.

 

[CATCH17]

Rule is now different

Calvin Johnson rule



I don't agree with the rule in Dez or Calvin situation but it is what it is. Moving on now

Calvin Johnson never completed that catch...


I don't see how this gets compared to the Dez catch at all.

 

[dallasdave]

hey, are you guys watching this, TOTALLY AWESOME!!!

 

[Doomsday101]

Calvin Johnson never completed that catch...


I don't see how this gets compared to the Dez catch at all.

I do and do not agree with either one but it is the way it is, this is not come anti cowboys deal by the league

 

[Doomsday101]

If the NFL doesn't define what "all the way through" means, they have a meaningless rule they can bend to whatever they feel at the moment. They tampered with the Dallas Green Bay game.

They made a ruling it was no more tampering than the call Detroit had in their game again us. I don't agree with call I think the NFL's continual changing of the rules leads to more and more questionable calls. NFL needs to stop the yearly changing of rules.

 

[dallasdave]

They made a ruling it was no more tampering than the call Detroit had in their game again us. I don't agree with call I think the NFL's continual changing of the rules leads to more and more questionable calls. NFL needs to stop the yearly changing of rules.

You are right , the NFL needs to quit changing the rules each year. It seems like the people do this to justify their jobs or the meetings.

 

[Doomsday101]

You are right , the NFL needs to quit changing the rules each year. It seems like the people do this to justify their jobs or the meetings.

I think you may be right as to the reason. In the end it makes officiating the games much harder, rules in my view need to be a bit more black and white