Hamstring issues a product of poor training by staff?

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Just read this article on yahoo sports that blames the Cowboys organization for all the medical issues. The article basically states Cowboys are using outdated stretching exercises and are behind the times in warm up exercises. Not a bad read, considering how the cowboys are unable to keep players healthy and other teams are doing a better job at it.

Billion dollar stadium and won't get the up to times equipment for the players.....Jerry Jones saving money at players expense?

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/outdated-strength-program-putting-dallas-161558566.html
 

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I can't help but wonder why these outdated methods didn't produce the spate of injuries all the years leading up to when the fictional expiration date?

I think Bill Belichick is right. The lack of 2 a day conditioning isn't preparing people for the actual rigors of the game.
 

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I said this all last year. Hamstrings are on the training staff.
 

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Being a Fan of any team that is always behind the curve is a severe PAIN in the buttocks, Old School is right but obviously some out dated methods don't work for updated personnel.

Dallas was behind the curve on DBs vs DL pressures, 4/3 vs 3/4 vs 4/3 Scheme, Pocket Passing and Trench WarFare, change is coming that's the only constant in life.

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The thing about this is, if we were using old methodology, then those old teams would likely also have had similar problems with hamstrings. Unless every other team is just getting fewer of them and we're staying the same. But that doesn't seem to be what's going on here.

I think it's probably a combination of factors. One, I'm not sure we have any more niggling injuries than other teams have had. We've had some big ones, and a run of things that aren't necessarily related to soft tissues or musculature. Two, I think we had a couple players on the roster, Austin obviously, who have a predisposition towards chronic injuries. If there's a three, it's probably got more to do with how we're hydrating players and how we're working out--on and off the field--than it does with what the training staff is doing.

Not sure what's going on, frankly, but I doubt it's as simple as looking at how long Woicik has been in the league and deciding he's a dinosaur.
 

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Just read this article on yahoo sports that blames the Cowboys organization for all the medical issues. The article basically states Cowboys are using outdated stretching exercises and are behind the times in warm up exercises. Not a bad read, considering how the cowboys are unable to keep players healthy and other teams are doing a better job at it.

Billion dollar stadium and won't get the up to times equipment for the players.....Jerry Jones saving money at players expense?

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/outdated-strength-program-putting-dallas-161558566.html


This comes up ever year. No. Nein! Nej! Nyet! Chale! Hail no!
better things are to blame such as the refent curse or Miles Austin, veterans who know how to game the system, Cowboys' front office's policy of babying veterans forever until the season starts, just plain bad luck and/or el nino and currency policy regulations infringing on bitcoin exchanges.

Belief me, trainers around the league share and engage in up to date procedures for their players. They half seminars and like doctors, read up on the latest advances in strethology and muscle and ligament infaces with core exertion and somesuch.

Do not buy into this fallacy because it is not true.
 

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The thing about this is, if we were using old methodology, then those old teams would likely also have had similar problems with hamstrings. Unless every other team is just getting fewer of them and we're staying the same. But that doesn't seem to be what's going on here.

I think it's probably a combination of factors. One, I'm not sure we have any more niggling injuries than other teams have had. We've had some big ones, and a run of things that aren't necessarily related to soft tissues or musculature. Two, I think we had a couple players on the roster, Austin obviously, who have a predisposition towards chronic injuries. If there's a three, it's probably got more to do with how we're hydrating players and how we're working out--on and off the field--than it does with what the training staff is doing.

Not sure what's going on, frankly, but I doubt it's as simple as looking at how long Woicik has been in the league and deciding he's a dinosaur.

The interesting thing in 2013 was that they kept some players healthy that had a history of nagging injuries. Hatcher had a lot of nagging type injuries over the years but stayed fairly healthy in 2013. Bernadeau finally got healthy which was the 1st time since he's been here. Bruce Carter played 15 games which is the most of any season since he's been in the NFL. Murray played 14 games which is good for him. Dez started all 16 games.
 

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So a few years ago we were probably the BEST team in the league with no injurise. And a few years later, now our stretches our outdated? It wasn't long ago when we RARELY had anyone hurt. Its the NFL. It happens. The constant hamstring injuries are troublesome but if I Remember correctly there were 2 or 3 teams who had more hamstring injuries than us. Its something worth looking into but I just can't see it being because our methods are "outdated". Not even sure how that's possible.
 

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I can't help but wonder why these outdated methods didn't produce the spate of injuries all the years leading up to when the fictional expiration date?

I think Bill Belichick is right. The lack of 2 a day conditioning isn't preparing people for the actual rigors of the game.

I can agree with this. As I said in another thread, people are quick to blame the conditioning coaches, who have been successful in the past but have suddenly turned into failures, instead of looking at more rational reasons, such as practice reductions, an aging player base, etc.
 

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I said this all last year. Hamstrings are on the training staff.

Yet Woicek had no hamstring problems in his first tenure in Dallas, not did he have any while in New England.

It's not the staff. The hamstring inuries are more prevalent throughout the league than before...not just with the Cowboys.

It has more to do with the changes in the CBA and what's no longer allowed along the lines of conditioning and practices.
 

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I can agree with this. As I said in another thread, people are quick to blame the conditioning coaches, who have been successful in the past but have suddenly turned into failures, instead of looking at more rational reasons, such as practice reductions, an aging player base, etc.

Question for ya, Im not critiquing and by no means am I an expert. However, how does the new practice schedule dictated by the CBA force trainers and teams to adjust there training programs..... less two a days practice, less contact, and less full pads practices has had to impact teams, coaches, and trainers.....so does this force teams to take a new perspective or a new approach on how to stretch, train and develop players?

Every team has injuries but some more than others...
 

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So a few years ago we were probably the BEST team in the league with no injurise. And a few years later, now our stretches our outdated? It wasn't long ago when we RARELY had anyone hurt. Its the NFL. It happens. The constant hamstring injuries are troublesome but if I Remember correctly there were 2 or 3 teams who had more hamstring injuries than us. Its something worth looking into but I just can't see it being because our methods are "outdated". Not even sure how that's possible.
To put this in perspective...and this is just the jags, but if I wanted to take the time, I'm sure I could find other teams, as well.

Jaguars can’t keep wide receivers on the field
According to the Florida Times-Union, leading target Cecil Shorts wasn’t about to finish yesterday’s work with a “really minor” calf injury, which will keep him off the field today.

While his absence is not necessarily a reason for concern now, he does add to a long list of receivers who are watching instead of working.

Rookies Marqise Lee (ankle) and Allen Robinson (hamstring) are sidelined, along with Lamaar Thomas (knee), Tandon Doss (calf), Ace Sanders (hamstring) and Mike Brown (groin).

That means they finished yesterday’s work with five wideouts, leaving a lot of reps for the weary few healthy ones on the roster.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/06/04/jaguars-cant-keep-wide-receivers-on-the-field/
 

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Question for ya, Im not critiquing and by no means am I an expert. However, how does the new practice schedule dictated by the CBA force trainers and teams to adjust there training programs..... less two a days practice, less contact, and less full pads practices has had to impact teams, coaches, and trainers.....so does this force teams to take a new perspective or a new approach on how to stretch, train and develop players?

I honestly don't know.

I do know that some players like Terence Newman (under Juraszek) and Austin (under Woicik) just seem to physically have body-type issues (tightly wound) that make injury more likely. Sean Lee and Matt Johnson might also be in this category, whether it's a natural lack of flexibility in the muscles, ligaments, etc. So I'm not sure there's really much that can be done about that.

Also, there is a degree to which injuries just happen. Players land wrong, are kicked, etc., so there is some bad luck involved.

And then there is the fact that as players age, the wear and tear factor begins to show, making old injuries harder to shake or resurface and making it easier to incur new ones.

None of those IMO really can be solved with a new approach to stretch, train and develop players. Moving on from older ones, injury-prone ones, etc., probably would be more apt to help in those cases. Then you've got to look at, outside of that, what injuries are occurring and why. Is the lack of contact, more start-and-stop scheduling, fewer two-a-days, etc., contributing to the problem? The increasing numbers of some injuries, such as hamstring problems, would suggest that it is, but why and to what extent?

I'm sure every team in the league wishes it could figure out the answers, and if one did, the others would be quick to copy it.
 

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I can't help but wonder why these outdated methods didn't produce the spate of injuries all the years leading up to when the fictional expiration date?

I think Bill Belichick is right. The lack of 2 a day conditioning isn't preparing people for the actual rigors of the game.

Pretty much what popped into my mind without even opening the link.
 

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To put this in perspective...and this is just the jags, but if I wanted to take the time, I'm sure I could find other teams, as well.

Jaguars can’t keep wide receivers on the field
According to the Florida Times-Union, leading target Cecil Shorts wasn’t about to finish yesterday’s work with a “really minor” calf injury, which will keep him off the field today.

While his absence is not necessarily a reason for concern now, he does add to a long list of receivers who are watching instead of working.

Rookies Marqise Lee (ankle) and Allen Robinson (hamstring) are sidelined, along with Lamaar Thomas (knee), Tandon Doss (calf), Ace Sanders (hamstring) and Mike Brown (groin).

That means they finished yesterday’s work with five wideouts, leaving a lot of reps for the weary few healthy ones on the roster.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/06/04/jaguars-cant-keep-wide-receivers-on-the-field/

Right. I think this is more of a league-wide thing than just the Cowboys. I honestly noticed a lot of these hamstring injuries after those rules were put in after the lockout.
 

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Was my first thought also, how is stretching outdated. That's like saying your peddling a bicycle the wrong way.....:confused:
Now times invovled may be an issue, but don't think they have them stretch for 30 seconds and say ok, that's enough...
 

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Just read this article on yahoo sports that blames the Cowboys organization for all the medical issues. The article basically states Cowboys are using outdated stretching exercises and are behind the times in warm up exercises. Not a bad read, considering how the cowboys are unable to keep players healthy and other teams are doing a better job at it.

Billion dollar stadium and won't get the up to times equipment for the players.....Jerry Jones saving money at players expense?

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/outdated-strength-program-putting-dallas-161558566.html

Something Garrett said when asked about the new ballet bars stood out to me. He indicated that they were there so players would have the "opportunity" to prep better for workouts. That suggest to me that much of the stretching and preparations are at the players discretion, which would indicate that if anyone should shoulder the blame, it's the player.
 

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Well u see the New stretching techniques goes with the New HGH...
 

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So a few years ago we were probably the BEST team in the league with no injurise. And a few years later, now our stretches our outdated? It wasn't long ago when we RARELY had anyone hurt. Its the NFL. It happens. The constant hamstring injuries are troublesome but if I Remember correctly there were 2 or 3 teams who had more hamstring injuries than us. Its something worth looking into but I just can't see it being because our methods are "outdated". Not even sure how that's possible.

Joe Juraczek was your trainer a few years ago. That has been turned over to Mike Woicik.

I think the article raises a good concern of Garrett saying that Experimenting with dynamic warm-up stuff."

From the sounds of it, it does sound like Garrett was saying that we don't do dynamic stretching and warming up and that we have done that in the past as he says 'I’ve done in my past, other coaches have done in the past.'

I've been skeptical of Woicik since 2012 when we went thru our 2nd year in a row of massive amounts of injuries.







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