Hamstring issues a product of poor training by staff?

[Toruk_Makto]

I said this all last year. Hamstrings are on the training staff.

I'd hate to be wrong about the same thing for over a year and running.

That would suck.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

The interesting thing in 2013 was that they kept some players healthy that had a history of nagging injuries. Hatcher had a lot of nagging type injuries over the years but stayed fairly healthy in 2013. Bernadeau finally got healthy which was the 1st time since he's been here. Bruce Carter played 15 games which is the most of any season since he's been in the NFL. Murray played 14 games which is good for him. Dez started all 16 games.

All this stuff is ignored. Just like how we've gotten guys back on the field quickly like church, Witten and Romo to name a few.

 

[casmith07]

Joe Juraczek was your trainer a few years ago. That has been turned over to Mike Woicik.

I think the article raises a good concern of Garrett saying that Experimenting with dynamic warm-up stuff."

From the sounds of it, it does sound like Garrett was saying that we don't do dynamic stretching and warming up and that we have done that in the past as he says 'I’ve done in my past, other coaches have done in the past.'

I've been skeptical of Woicik since 2012 when we went thru our 2nd year in a row of massive amounts of injuries.







YR

Good post, YR. I've said it elsewhere on the internet and I'll say it here:

Even the United States Army doesn't use static stretching in our PT program anymore. Too many pulled/strained hamstrings and other soft tissue injuries from static stretching. We've gone to a more dynamic stretching/warm up method and injuries are down and performance is up across the force.

We've also gotten away from 5 days of running in the Army and have mixed in strength/cross training style workouts (think CrossFit) to alternate between distance cardio and sprinting days. The results have been a stronger, faster force in the last two years with fewer injuries to lower extremities.

I think the Cowboys need to stop experimenting and go full time to dynamic warm-ups. Soccer players, basketball players, hockey players, and even baseball players have been participating in dynamic warm-ups for at least a decade and you don't see the same hamstring/calf injuries at the pace that you see them in the NFL. I understand the game is very different, but the amount of pulls/strains suffered in no/low contact practices has to be of concern, as well.

 

[mrmojo]

Good post, YR. I've said it elsewhere on the internet and I'll say it here:

Even the United States Army doesn't use static stretching in our PT program anymore. Too many pulled/strained hamstrings and other soft tissue injuries from static stretching. We've gone to a more dynamic stretching/warm up method and injuries are down and performance is up across the force.

We've also gotten away from 5 days of running in the Army and have mixed in strength/cross training style workouts (think CrossFit) to alternate between distance cardio and sprinting days. The results have been a stronger, faster force in the last two years with fewer injuries to lower extremities.

I think the Cowboys need to stop experimenting and go full time to dynamic warm-ups. Soccer players, basketball players, hockey players, and even baseball players have been participating in dynamic warm-ups for at least a decade and you don't see the same hamstring/calf injuries at the pace that you see them in the NFL. I understand the game is very different, but the amount of pulls/strains suffered in no/low contact practices has to be of concern, as well.

I agree, as a runner I no longer do any type of static stretches. When I did do them I was constently fighting hip and hamstring problems. Yoga and dynamic stretching has kept me injury free for a while now and I would agree this could help reduce the leg injuries which are occuring in the NFL today. Weight lfting and static stretching may not be the best combination because instead of actually loosening the muscle, the muscle may be contracting more, making the muscle tighter, the complete opposite of the intended purpose of the stretch.

 

[casmith07]

For people saying "well what about the old ways" -- back in the day, similarly to the Army, a lot of training programs included calisthenics as their warm up and didn't use stretching at all, especially not static stretching. Would tend to explain why "old two a days" rendered less injuries -- they were conditioning their muscles in a dynamic fashion. You might have soreness from using muscles you aren't used to using, but with adequate nutrition, hydration, rest, and continued training (and not overtraining), the muscles got stronger and injuries to soft tissue were less prevalent.

Not really any way to workout or train to prevent an ACL tear or broken bone, though. Structural damage isn't something that gets more or less "prone" because of warm ups or stretching.

 

[Bungarian]

I'd hate to be wrong about the same thing for over a year and running.

That would suck.

A well thought out and intelligent reply.

We will see this year. I predict Cowboys are a top 5 team with hamstrings.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I think Bill Belichick is right. The lack of 2 a day conditioning isn't preparing people for the actual rigors of the game.

Why more can't figure this out is beyond me.

 

[casmith07]

Why more can't figure this out is beyond me.

Won't make a difference if they're still over-stretching.

 

[zrinkill]

I can't help but wonder why these outdated methods didn't produce the spate of injuries all the years leading up to when the fictional expiration date?

I think Bill Belichick is right. The lack of 2 a day conditioning isn't preparing people for the actual rigors of the game.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

A well thought out and intelligent reply.

We will see this year. I predict Cowboys are a top 5 team with hamstrings.

You can predict injuries?

I don't know if you should be a GM, fortune teller, poker player or serial lottery player... But you're in the wrong business.

 

[Hoofbite]

Don't sprinters come down with hammys quite a bit more in comparison to endurance runners?

I'm lazy so I'm not familiar with either really.

Wonder if you could find enough data to find a trend between increased weight across the positions (presumably cause of muscle mass) and increased muscle injuries.

I also suspect that Dallas errors on the side of caution quite a bit.

I remember the game against the Skins where Miles went out and sat around for about a half but in a crucial redzone situation towards the end of the game he was back out there.

Are you - or are you not - unable to play?

Austin would sit for weeks doing rehab stuff. Can't imagine anyone's really all that primed to come back 100% after rehabbing for a bit.

Also wonder if the reduced workouts plays a role in that you have less endurance building. In camp, if you're tired you can dial it back a bit and slowly build up endurance. In a game nobody wants to dial it back in the 4th quarter with the game on the line and without the extra practices getting your body accustomed to working while exhausted, the continued explosive move demand may be too much.

Maybe the team should massage their hamstrings with goats milk (or whatever that guy used on Buzz in Little Giants). May even want to step up to Cambodian breast milk, Diddy Chappelle style.

 

[Bungarian]

You can predict injuries?

I don't know if you should be a GM, fortune teller, poker player or serial lottery player... But you're in the wrong business.

It is on the training staff

 

[RS12]

 

[visionary]

Just read this article on yahoo sports that blames the Cowboys organization for all the medical issues. The article basically states Cowboys are using outdated stretching exercises and are behind the times in warm up exercises. Not a bad read, considering how the cowboys are unable to keep players healthy and other teams are doing a better job at it.

Billion dollar stadium and won't get the up to times equipment for the players.....Jerry Jones saving money at players expense?

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/outdated-strength-program-putting-dallas-161558566.html

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