Handling of Randy Gregory Looks Bad on NFL, NFLPA

[tyke1doe]

I got you

The topic is too deep and complex to address with keystrokes (IMHO) so I would only venture further down this road in person. So, should our paths ever cross, we can resume this over a beverage (or vittles) of your choice, on me.

 

[Doomsdayblitz]

Jerry Jones on Randy Gregory ruling: 'We don't agree'

The Dallas Cowboys knew what was coming regarding Randy Gregory.

They knew, but they don't appreciate it one iota.

"We anticipated [the suspension of Randy Gregory]," said Jones, via 105.3FM the Fan on Friday morning. "We knew the circumstances.

"We don't agree with them but we do know the circumstances."

On Thursday, the NFL handed down a one-year ban on the second-year defensive end for what they deemed to be another violation of the league's substance abuse policy stemming from a drug test that was reportedly missed.

Some sources speculate the test was to be administered at a time when Gregory was actually in a rehabilitation facility, having entered after the previous failed screening that landing him a total suspension of 14 games.

"He's genuine in his rehab process," said Jones in his press conference on Friday afternoon. "I do have reason to be encouraged about his future.

"I hope and expect Randy Gregory to be back on the field."

Jones would not go into specifics only to note the case is still "active" and has a myriad of "possible outcomes". The comments bring to mind the Supreme Court battle between the NFL and New England Patriots QB Tom Brady over the league's verdict stemming from deflated footballs in the 2014-15 AFC Playoff game.

"His options are still to be possibly exercised," Jones noted.

"This is a highly sensitive time for comments."................

"He's genuine in his rehab process," said Jones in his press conference on Friday afternoon. "I do have reason to be encouraged about his future." What, are you nuts?!! Genuine in his rehab process??!! What "process"? The "process" of rolling a big fat one? I know you're dumb, Jerry, but I never realized just how stupid you are! YOU drafted this loser, so you keep holding out hope to protect your own ego. This kid has been a dope addict since the age of 12. He had multiple chances at Nebraska, each time saying, "I'll never do it again". That's what addicts say to their enablers. Then, after he tested positive at the Combine, proving just how addicted he was, YOU wasted a valuable second round pick on him. When he hugged the Commissioner, he stated the same thing he told you later, "I'll NEVER let you down!". Again, another thing addicts say to their enablers. Well, he DID let you AND the team down--over & over again. So, now he's lost TWO seasons & wasted the time of his coaches, teammates, & fans, and YOU come out & blather this nonsense?! STOP, already. We don't need more characters, we need more character on this team. You dishonor the hard work & dedication of guys like Jason Witten, Tony Romo, Tyron Smith, Sean Lee, Dak Prescott, Zeke Elliott, etc., who do it the right way, when you keep holding on to someone who has slapped them in the face by dishonoring them by not being there when they needed him. Maybe one of your O-linemen need to rag-doll some sense into you. Nah, doubt it would help.

 

[Doomsdayblitz]

It simply stinks that these old stiffs running the NFL, Goodell is just a frontman, are determined to keep damaging the assets that make them wealthy. Its just plain stupid to ruin these young kids careers and lifes for absolutely no logical reason.

What part of "rules" don't you understand? Every player gets a list every year of what is acceptable to put into their body, & what is not. Also spelled out in language even Gregory can understand, are the consequences of what will happen when you ingest the unacceptable items on that list. There are also a list of things deemed unacceptable in society, such as beating a woman in an elevator, that will get you suspended. The NFL is a business owned by people who want to keep it respectable. It's their league, & no one has the right to join. They must be invited, & accept the rules of that league. It is a privilege to play in the NFL. If people want to smoke dope until their brains melt, that's their option, but they can't play in the NFL. Most men realize how lucky they are to play there, so they follow the rules. They have zero conflicts with the league. If you don't like how the league is run, don't watch the games.

 

[BoysfanfromCanada]

What part of "rules" don't you understand? Every player gets a list every year of what is acceptable to put into their body, & what is not. Also spelled out in language even Gregory can understand, are the consequences of what will happen when you ingest the unacceptable items on that list. There are also a list of things deemed unacceptable in society, such as beating a woman in an elevator, that will get you suspended. The NFL is a business owned by people who want to keep it respectable. It's their league, & no one has the right to join. They must be invited, & accept the rules of that league. It is a privilege to play in the NFL. If people want to smoke dope until their brains melt, that's their option, but they can't play in the NFL. Most men realize how lucky they are to play there, so they follow the rules. They have zero conflicts with the league. If you don't like how the league is run, don't watch the games.

I feel like you don't actually understand what's going on here. He didn't get this year suspension for smoking weed again, he got it for missing a test due to being in a rehab facility. Now along with the suspension they want to force a recovering addict to not be able to have access to his support group at the Star.

Beyond that, how this decision was expedited over every other appeal isn't fair.

That's what's being discussed here

 

[CCBoy]

...Thought #4 – Randy Gregory
The NFL has really lost it when it comes down to the Randy Gregory situation. Not only do they suspend a young player who needs structure and routine in his life, they completely ignore the entire Giants wide receiving corps little party in Miami. Not only was it caught on camera that people around New York wide receivers Odell Beckham, Victor Cruz, and Sterling Shepard were smoking marijuana but they also caught Shepard being offered Adderall on video.

I mean if Gregory can be suspended (without any representation) for an entire year for missing a drug test, the NFL should at the very least drug test the Giants in question. The hypocrisy is incredible. A player who has gotten a ton of help for his own demons is now barred from his own support system, while the NFL does not bat an eye when three players are caught in a compromising position.

Its incredible a league that could investigate Cowboys star running back Ezekiel Elliott for what seemed to be the entire regular season based on faulty and fabricated allegations would not even give a second look and being tough on the Giants wide receivers and have them take a drug test.

If people around the Giants players are offering them Adderall that severely compromises competitive integrity. Now yes these are recreational drugs and if players do not have a history with “substance abuse” by the NFL’s standards they must wait until the offseason (mid-March) if they are to be tested, but this is an issue.

The NFL’s drug policy is victimizing players with a legitimate problem and scrutinizing them to the point of keeping them away from the one thing that gives them purpose and structure and absolutely needs an overhaul.

http://thelandryhat.com/2017/01/08/dallas-cowboys-four-thoughts-wildcard/3/

 

[xwalker]

Actually, I don't drink alcohol or smoke weed for the same reasons. I believe a sober-mind is better than a drug-influenced mind. If I had my way, alcohol would be treated the same as marijuana and harder drugs.

But herein is the difference:

1. You can drink without getting drunk - and many people do.
2. You smoke marijuana particularly because of the sensation it gives you. I don't know of too many people - if any - who smoke merely to smoke. If so, you can smoke something other than pot. No, people generally smoke pot because there's an chemical in pot that impacts your brain chemistry and makes you feel light-headed, tranquil, etc.

Second, the alcohol fight was lost long ago. We're not going back to the days of Prohibition. But that doesn't mean because we lost one fight we need to capitulate to legalize marijuana. This is not an either/or situation, as some want to make it. We (I use this term to collectively for those who oppose the legalization of pot) continue to flight against the legalization of marijuana for reasons I've stated in another post. And if we lose, we move on from there.
Again, I agree with you that alcohol has been more devastating to our culture than pot. But that doesn't mean if we don't fight against alcohol we should support the legalization of marijuana.

Third, I don't know if I would say kids can get pot easier than alcohol. Even so, as I stated before this is not a pot vs. alcohol debate. But if you legalize pot, kids will be able to get their hands on it much more. So the comparison should be ...
Illegal pot = X pot users who are kids.
legalization of pot = X (x) X pot users who are kids.
When you legalize something, you signal to society that it is okay to do. And in time, more people in society will partake in what a society makes legal.

It can't get any easier for kids to get it than it is now. I'm certain of that. I've spoken to a groups of kids about this exact issue. The degree of difficultly to obtain weed is about equal to getting a Coke from a vending machine. If it is legal, there is no reason for a network of illegal dealers to exist. Yes, there would be some kids getting it from the parents, siblings etc. and then selling it to other kids, but there is not much point in the local drug dealer selling weed because he can't compete with legal weed. He'll either have to sell other drugs or get into selling legally.

People drink alcohol for how it affects them. Even 1 glass of wine has a significant affect on some people.

I've posted it before, but the biggest benefit I see is that the distribution network for legal weed becomes completely separate from the distribution network for illegal drugs. Currently once somebody has a dealer, it is very easy to get both weed and hard drugs from that dealer and therefore weed does indeed become a gateway drug to the drug dealer. When weed is legal, then that gateway is gone because getting legal weed does not introduce people to illegal drug dealers.

My guess is that there may be more to it for you than the logical reasons that you stated.

Disclosure: I don't use weed and I only drink alcohol about once per year, sometimes twice.

 

[tyke1doe]

It can't get any easier for kids to get it than it is now. I'm certain of that. I've spoken to a groups of kids about this exact issue. The degree of difficultly to obtain weed is about equal to getting a Coke from a vending machine. If it is legal, there is no reason for a network of illegal dealers to exist. Yes, there would be some kids getting it from the parents, siblings etc. and then selling it to other kids, but there is not much point in the local drug dealer selling weed because he can't compete with legal weed. He'll either have to sell other drugs or get into selling legally.

I don't disagree.

People drink alcohol for how it affects them. Even 1 glass of wine has a significant affect on some people.

Yes, people do drink alcohol because they like to get drunk, but not everyone drinks alcohol for that reason.
And one glass of wine may have an impact on some but not all. There are many who can drink 1 and 2 glasses of wine and not get tipsy. In many settings, wine/alcohol is not consumed to get drunk.

My guess is that there may be more to it for you than the logical reasons that you stated.

What more do you think? I've given all of my reasons in this thread.

Disclosure: I don't use weed and I only drink alcohol about once per year, sometimes twice.

 

[Doomsdayblitz]

I feel like you don't actually understand what's going on here. He didn't get this year suspension for smoking weed again, he got it for missing a test due to being in a rehab facility. Now along with the suspension they want to force a recovering addict to not be able to have access to his support group at the Star.

Beyond that, how this decision was expedited over every other appeal isn't fair.

That's what's being discussed here

That's garbage. I'm sure the league would have worked with him, had he not been able to attend due to being in a rehab facility. I'm sure they would not have had any problem with going to him. Look, when a person has circumvented the rules as often & as many times as Gregory has, I don't take their word for anything. He also promised "I won't let you down" to both the Commissioner, & the team. He broke that promise repeatedly. Let him stay home & smoke dope, & let the team move on to someone who appreciates the INCREDIBLE opportunity their skills can afford them if they only follow the rules. That's life.

 

[tyke1doe]

...Thought #4 – Randy Gregory
The NFL has really lost it when it comes down to the Randy Gregory situation. Not only do they suspend a young player who needs structure and routine in his life, they completely ignore the entire Giants wide receiving corps little party in Miami. Not only was it caught on camera that people around New York wide receivers Odell Beckham, Victor Cruz, and Sterling Shepard were smoking marijuana but they also caught Shepard being offered Adderall on video.

I mean if Gregory can be suspended (without any representation) for an entire year for missing a drug test, the NFL should at the very least drug test the Giants in question. The hypocrisy is incredible. A player who has gotten a ton of help for his own demons is now barred from his own support system, while the NFL does not bat an eye when three players are caught in a compromising position.

Its incredible a league that could investigate Cowboys star running back Ezekiel Elliott for what seemed to be the entire regular season based on faulty and fabricated allegations would not even give a second look and being tough on the Giants wide receivers and have them take a drug test.

If people around the Giants players are offering them Adderall that severely compromises competitive integrity. Now yes these are recreational drugs and if players do not have a history with “substance abuse” by the NFL’s standards they must wait until the offseason (mid-March) if they are to be tested, but this is an issue.

The NFL’s drug policy is victimizing players with a legitimate problem and scrutinizing them to the point of keeping them away from the one thing that gives them purpose and structure and absolutely needs an overhaul.

http://thelandryhat.com/2017/01/08/dallas-cowboys-four-thoughts-wildcard/3/

How can you call the NFL hypocrites comparing the Gregory situation and the Giants situation?
Gregory failed multiple tests. All we have is allegations regarding drug use by the Giants receivers. And from what I understand, unless you have been tested and failed, the league's testing procedures are random. If you call the Giants receivers in for testing now based on suspicion, that's not random.
I know many of you are upset because a Cowboy player is suspended for the year, but he knew the rules, said he wouldn't do it again and did.
There's no need to compare Gregory with someone else.

 

[BotchedLobotomy]

"He's genuine in his rehab process," said Jones in his press conference on Friday afternoon. "I do have reason to be encouraged about his future." What, are you nuts?!! Genuine in his rehab process??!! What "process"? The "process" of rolling a big fat one? I know you're dumb, Jerry, but I never realized just how stupid you are! YOU drafted this loser, so you keep holding out hope to protect your own ego. This kid has been a dope addict since the age of 12. He had multiple chances at Nebraska, each time saying, "I'll never do it again". That's what addicts say to their enablers. Then, after he tested positive at the Combine, proving just how addicted he was, YOU wasted a valuable second round pick on him. When he hugged the Commissioner, he stated the same thing he told you later, "I'll NEVER let you down!". Again, another thing addicts say to their enablers. Well, he DID let you AND the team down--over & over again. So, now he's lost TWO seasons & wasted the time of his coaches, teammates, & fans, and YOU come out & blather this nonsense?! STOP, already. We don't need more characters, we need more character on this team. You dishonor the hard work & dedication of guys like Jason Witten, Tony Romo, Tyron Smith, Sean Lee, Dak Prescott, Zeke Elliott, etc., who do it the right way, when you keep holding on to someone who has slapped them in the face by dishonoring them by not being there when they needed him. Maybe one of your O-linemen need to rag-doll some sense into you. Nah, doubt it would help.

Even rants deserve paragraph formatting.

 

[zrinkill]

I am waiting for the Randy Gregory video

#FinishtheBlunt

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I did an incredible amount of stupid things when I was a teenager and into my early twenties. The vast majority of people I knew did a lot of stupid things. I did it and I came from a stable family environment where my parents were both teachers. Without my parents repeated warnings in the back of my mind, it would likely have been a lot worse. Some of these NFL players had minimal structure around them other than football and then they get big money handed to them. It's surprising to me that the problems are not worse.

If the worst thing a guy does is fail some tests for smoking weed, then I think society would be winning. I'm far more concerned about issues with guns, violence and driving while stupid like Josh Brent.

If Gregory smokes weed and that somehow causes him to be dangerous to other people, then I would be concerned.

No offense but....and?

I don't care. He's a grown *** man. He knows the rules. He shouldn't need someones voice in his head to remind him that if he breaks the rules he's going to lose pay and time playing in the NFL.

It's simple.

I don't think he's a bad person for smoking weed. I personally have no issue if people want to smoke it.

BUT if you're an athlete, if that's your job (Or any job really for that matter) and you know that if you get caught having smoked weed you're going to be suspended or fired then I'm not going to feel sorry for you either.

I don't care that other people did stupid things in their lives. Everyones done them. Everyone has to pay the consequences for their dumb decisions and actions.

When I've screwd up I didn't look around waiting for someone to feel sorry for me. I knew I screwed up. I did it to myself. Stop looking for others to blame or cry about when you make decisions that have negative consequences in your life.

It's no one else fault but your own, and in this case Gregory can not blame anyone but himself.

 

[CWR]

What part of "rules" don't you understand? Every player gets a list every year of what is acceptable to put into their body, & what is not. Also spelled out in language even Gregory can understand, are the consequences of what will happen when you ingest the unacceptable items on that list. There are also a list of things deemed unacceptable in society, such as beating a woman in an elevator, that will get you suspended. The NFL is a business owned by people who want to keep it respectable. It's their league, & no one has the right to join. They must be invited, & accept the rules of that league. It is a privilege to play in the NFL. If people want to smoke dope until their brains melt, that's their option, but they can't play in the NFL. Most men realize how lucky they are to play there, so they follow the rules. They have zero conflicts with the league. If you don't like how the league is run, don't watch the games.

Obviously marajuna isnt a difficult one to be aware that you arent allowed to consume. But you are giving the NFL too much credit if you think they have a clarified and uniform rules.