Hard Pills to swallow as Cowboys fans

[fivetwos]

I don't know who Eddie Kendricks is .

You probably shouldn’t at your age.

Member of the Temptations, who you’ve probably heard of. Had a couple of solo hits.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

Ask uncle google

Haha, did so, I'll have to listen to some of his music.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

You probably shouldn’t at your age.

Member of the Temptations, who you’ve probably heard of. Had a couple of solo hits.

Yup, I'm familiar with the Temptations. I do listen to a lot of classic rock (as expected living in Cleveland haha). I think I might have seen something about him actually at the RRHOF when I went there. Might need to make another trip there.

 

[Ranching]

I don't know who Eddie Kendricks is .

@fivetwos

 

[Ranching]

I know you are a young fan and understand the enthusiasm, but until fans quit filling Jerry's bank account the song remains the same.

He's lucky, he hasn't suffered as much as us old farts....then again, he hasn't celebrated as much as we have, either.

 

[fivetwos]

Yup, I'm familiar with the Temptations. I do listen to a lot of classic rock (as expected living in Cleveland haha). I think I might have seen something about him actually at the RRHOF when I went there. Might need to make another trip there.

I’ve been there a couple of times. I do wish it would be called the “Music Hall of Fame,” but they haven’t consulted me on it lol.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

I get that I have all that information on this kid I'm just saying buyer beware sometimes they're not always deliver what is being sold in the draft we see it all the time...

Not that I wouldn't want him but I'm just saying don't be sold on one guy it's not about rolling all your chips into a running back and picking another running back in the top 10 I wouldn't be upset but we've seen lots of players disappoint what they were supposed to be we heard generational talent with Kyle Pitt some of this place said the Cowboys should give up their next three drafts as far as first rounders to get up and get this guy and he's not better than ferguson i'd say they're about the same. Maybe he's on the wrong team and like I said we've seen some running backs the last three or four years that were supposed to be the best hell in my opinion breece hall overrated how can you not look at breece hall as overrated he has all the talent in the world but he hasn't even had 1000 yard season they talk about this kid as if he was the next coming of Adrian Peterson...

When I watch Jeanty run he looks to me I gotta go further old school like Ricky Williams without hopefully the weed smoking problem for his anxiety I'm a Texas Longhorn fan and Ricky Williams had that kind of talent in college and in the Big 12 against tough talent and he did play well in the NFL given his circumstances so yes he looks like Ricky Williams and I would take him but I'm saying there are other almost as good running backs coming out as well... You might wanna get your defensive tackle another wide receiver or something like another linebacker an outside pass rushing linebacker slash defensive end in the first round and then get your running back in round two or three.. But my point is Jerry bring in another running back since when has he knocked we've always had one of the top running backs in the league around here, he will get another one..

Sure, and, if we don't get Jeanty, I'd be happy with someone like Tyleik Williams NT Ohio State or Dione Walker NT Kentucky (who we might get in round 2) in round 1, and then get Ollie Gordon in round 2 or 3. Here are my 2 dream first 3 picks

draft 1.
Jeanty, Walker, and Danny Stutsman (massive LB OU)

Draft 2:
Tyleik Williams, Kelvin Banks (Guard Texas), and Gordon

I think either option would be incredible and would start us nicely on making a more physical team.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

I’ve been there a couple of times. I do wish it would be called the “Music Hall of Fame,” but they haven’t consulted me on it lol.

Lol, it's a great place. And the airport here has kind of a wall fresco with a few artifacts for it. Only been living here for 3 years, but I love living in Cleveland.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

He's lucky, he hasn't suffered as much as us old farts....then again, he hasn't celebrated as much as we have, either.

I feel like, at least having one of the SBs to celebrate might at least be something to hold on to lol.

 

[blueblood70]

Sure, and, if we don't get Jeanty, I'd be happy with someone like Tyleik Williams NT Ohio State or Dione Walker NT Kentucky (who we might get in round 2) in round 1, and then get Ollie Gordon in round 2 or 3. Here are my 2 dream first 3 picks

draft 1.
Jeanty, Walker, and Danny Stutsman (massive LB OU)

Draft 2:
Tyleik Williams, Kelvin Banks (Guard Texas), and Gordon

I think either option would be incredible and would start us nicely on making a more physical team.

By the way since you like doing all this research why don't you tell me this I just did a little scan I opened up the NFL stats for rushing and I skimmed over I think there's the first page has 20 guys listed on there I don't see any of those rookies from last draft I think maybe 1 might be on there so that means a lot of teams are doing what splitting carries with their starter because none of them are anywhere close to the top ten in rushing right now...

So every time you might take a peek at a game and see one of them doing really well like braylon Allen they're not using them full time dude's not gonna win the rushing crown so tell me there's top ten that went this year show me how impactful they're actually being because to me they're not even starting they're splitting carries with somebody else or they be up in the top ten the top ten are full of veterans hell the top 15 I think are all veterans and I realized there was some very good running backs taking in his strap but show me how they're impacting their teams like show me the team record show me their stats and show me their impact I just wanna make sure that we both are on the same page and these guys we allegedly lost out on they're all splitting carries I mean Tampa Bay is using Bucky urban there's three of those guys rushing to football not much different than we are except they're a little successful and I think that scheme and play calling execution by the offensive line more than it is the player so bring up dalvin cook during the bye week I hope and let's just see if it gets any better...

I just wanna make sure we have a clear debate on the rookie running back impact ,does the EE21 it big time impact this rookie year we won 13 games mainly because of him I know people don't wanna admit it but when a dude comes in and has one of the best which top five rookie rushing campaigns ever in the NFL and his rookie season was as good as Tony Dorsett and emmitt smith put together if you just look at the rookie impact. I mean when your player comes in and has 1600 yards and win a rushing title after back-to-back 1800 scrimmage yards in college playing in the college playoff games breaking off 200 yards Ezekiel Elliott was that guy now show me that guy in this last draft.... He doesn't seem to have made his name known and by the way go back to 2023 I thought Robinson was the top back show me his impact...

Don't get me wrong I would've liked to have one of these dudes but I'm looking at that list so far six games into the league season and I'm not seeing any of these rookies sticking their head out as big time Ezekiel Elliott was his rookie year..

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

By the way since you like doing all this research why don't you tell me this I just did a little scan I opened up the NFL stats for rushing and I skimmed over I think there's the first page has 20 guys listed on there I don't see any of those rookies from last draft I think maybe 1 might be on there so that means a lot of teams are doing what splitting carries with their starter because none of them are anywhere close to the top ten in rushing right now...

So every time you might take a peek at a game and see one of them doing really well like braylon Allen they're not using them full time dude's not gonna win the rushing crown so tell me there's top ten that went this year show me how impactful they're actually being because to me they're not even starting they're splitting carries with somebody else or they be up in the top ten the top ten are full of veterans hell the top 15 I think are all veterans and I realized there was some very good running backs taking in his strap but show me how they're impacting their teams like show me the team record show me their stats and show me their impact I just wanna make sure that we both are on the same page and these guys we allegedly lost out on they're all splitting carries I mean Tampa Bay is using Bucky urban there's three of those guys rushing to football not much different than we are except they're a little successful and I think that scheme and play calling execution by the offensive line more than it is the player so bring up dalvin cook during the bye week I hope and let's just see if it gets any better...

I just wanna make sure we have a clear debate on the rookie running back impact ,does the EE21 it big time impact this rookie year we won 13 games mainly because of him I know people don't wanna admit it but when a dude comes in and has one of the best which top five rookie rushing campaigns ever in the NFL and his rookie season was as good as Tony Dorsett and emmitt smith put together if you just look at the rookie impact. I mean when your player comes in and has 1600 yards and win a rushing title after back-to-back 1800 scrimmage yards in college playing in the college playoff games breaking off 200 yards Ezekiel Elliott was that guy now show me that guy in this last draft.... He doesn't seem to have made his name known and by the way go back to 2023 I thought Robinson was the top back show me his impact...

Don't get me wrong I would've liked to have one of these dudes but I'm looking at that list so far six games into the league season and I'm not seeing any of these rookies sticking their head out as big time Ezekiel Elliott was his rookie year..

Sorry, not sure what you're asking me. I suppose it's possible that the backs wouldn't necessarily jump right out straight away. But, at least starting them in a rotation early on with Dowdle and Luepke is bound to improve our run game. We obviously will have a lot of time between now and the draft for this lol. Still, just something to look forward to as a possibility.

 

[blueblood70]

Sorry, not sure what you're asking me. I suppose it's possible that the backs wouldn't necessarily jump right out straight away. But, at least starting them in a rotation early on with Dowdle and Luepke is bound to improve our run game. We obviously will have a lot of time between now and the draft for this lol. Still, just something to look forward to as a possibility.

I'm talking about league wide the last two drafts show me the impact the top 5 running backs in those drafts have had on their teams show me their production and show me how they are helping..

Because outside of I don't know was it 2 drafts ago pachenko for the Kansas City Chiefs was a seventh round pick so he doesn't even count I'm talking about show me those top five running backs that went in the draft that impacted their team like Ezekiel Elliott did Ezekiel Elliott help Prescott ease his way into the NFL by having 1600 yards rushing a rushing crown multiple good in the past game show me that guy the last two drafts because maybe we're missing out and I was wanna know which one of those they Jerry would've drafted would've impacted the last two seasons for the Dallas Cowboys but show me how they're impacting their teams right now 'cause I don't know all their names that would be 5 from 2023 and 5 from 2024 show me how they had an impact...

I'm not saying we don't need one but all these ones that went this year they're not even in the top 20 I don't believe there might be one so far in yours but show me their impact like they're having on their team I mean you have a guy like Reese hall in that running back stable in Miami and they still drafted players and they basically are using running back by committee because if they weren't these players would have a lot of production, right? I'm just curious the top five running backs in the last three drafts how much impact did they really have on their team./. I believe Jerry Jones thought if the offensive line was improved and if they can scheme it better that this group would have been as good as any of the others teens that have chosen to use a group committee running backroom so far it hasn't yes it's a failure but I'm just looking and I'm just skimming 'cause I'm not doing this for you I'm just wanna know who Jerry could've took the last three years that would've actually had a direct impact on our team but show me the impact they had on the other teams they were drafted by...

ill do this as its fast to look up

top RB in last 3 drafts

2022- Breece Hall hasnt had a 1k season yet has upside lots of hype so much so the lets drafted allen?1700yards so far in 2.5 seasons

2023-Bijan Robinson 1.5 seasons=?? impactful, nope, his backup seems better hes just good ,1356 in 1.5 seaosns

2024-Jonathon Brooks this one would have been cute talked him Jerry anther hurt player starting on IR LOL hasnt played yet

 

[Cowboys5217]

Stephen does not have the cojones to tell his father anything.

Even if Stephen did grow a pair and tell Jerry this and that, Jerry wouldn't listen.

 

[KJJ]

I, like many of you, love the Cowboys. This is the team that I've pulled for since I was 6, and I always plan to do so. However, every fanbase comes to that moment where they need to understand certain truths. In other words, there are hard pills to swallow as fans. Here are some hard pills to swallow as Cowboys fans. I think the sooner we understand these and take these pills, the sooner we can understand the reality of our situation. Then, the sooner as fans we can do something about it.

1. Quitting on the team and not filling seats won't fix Jerry. For those of you who think that not going to games will take money away from Jerry, that's not how it works. Most of the seats are sold to corporate, and those that aren't bought by our fans will go to other fans. That's why there were seemingly more Lions fans than Cowboys fans on Sunday. It may seem like a slap to Jerry, but he's getting paid regardless.
2. We are a soft team because we are a soft fan base. Do you think, as I tried to point out in a thread earlier this week, that our division rivals would be allowed to quit mid game like our team did? Of course not! The other teams, even if they're not good like the Giants, at least give their all. Why? Because you can't quit in Philly, New York, Buffalo, or Boston. Their fans will never let you hear the end of it. Instead, the team in Dallas is soft because we are more willing to quit on them and let them do what they do. What we should be doing is going to the games and getting as ruthless to them as our rivals would be to their teams if they give the effort the Cowboys have at home in 2024. Dak said he wanted the vibes, let's give them the vibes we feel about them. If we can rattle the players, there's a chance it rattles Jerry.
3. We are not America's Team anymore. Nobody outside of the Dallas Cowboys fan base or organisation actually thinks that anymore. And that's okay! It puts an unnecessarily large target on our backs. I know where it comes from, but it doesn't change the fact that nobody actually sees is as that. We need to actually win to re-earn that nickname if we want it back.
4. The Dallas Media is soft, bought, and paid for by Jerry. You saw in the way Jerry treated "The Fan" how he was quick to point out that he can replace them. He tripled down on it recently. Part of the reason he's allowed to exist in his world instead of of reality is because he's surrounded by an echo chamber that only tells him what he wants to hear.
5. Part of the reason we fans are disliked is because some of us think year in year out it's our year. It's not! We are not always going to be contenders. Especially not with the inactive offseason we had. The fact things are going badly for the team should be the least surprising thing this season. Maybe, if we fans can be more honest about our team and realise that we are nowhere near a championship as some might think, then, we can approach things with clarity.
6. Jerry can't handle true criticism, and it showed in his recent media interviews. This isn't exactly a hard pill, but it's a pill that is surprising. However, this is the best pill of the 5. Jerry is desperate. He can tell that we aren't happy. In his desperation, he showed his true colours. He's a narcissist who can't handle criticism. We, as fans, can use this.

When you take these 6 pills, you actually realise that there's something as fans we can do about our situation, and it needs to start in Dallas as many of us are outside of Texas. Jerry showed he can't handle criticism, especially when he's desperate. What we need is to flood Dallas media with our frustrations. At games, we need to be as loud as possible. I'm talking "Jerry sucks" chants, billboards to troll Jerry, signs at the stadium, the works. There are more of us than there are of Jerry and his boys. They can't ban all of us. The reality of the situation is that, we are 3-3 and have a brutal schedule ahead. If we miss the playoffs, it's on Jerry for his offseason inactivity. However, as fans, we can demand more, and it's time we take a leaf from our rivals and learn how to actually show true passion about the team. Not the deluded idea that everything will work out and we will win the SB. That won't happen anytime soon. When we look at the reality of our situation, we can approach things with honesty and clarity. In so doing, we can actually approach the games by holding our team accountable more. We can tell the media what we honestly think about our teams.

In other words, we can give Jerry an honest offer.

Man, you must love to type. lol Hopefully these long posts are making you feel a little better. This one isn’t as long as the one you typed the other day. It took a few seconds just to scroll over it.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

I'm talking about league wide the last two drafts show me the impact the top 5 running backs in those drafts have had on their teams show me their production and show me how they are helping..

Because outside of I don't know was it 2 drafts ago pachenko for the Kansas City Chiefs was a seventh round pick so he doesn't even count I'm talking about show me those top five running backs that went in the draft that impacted their team like Ezekiel Elliott did Ezekiel Elliott help Prescott ease his way into the NFL by having 1600 yards rushing a rushing crown multiple good in the past game show me that guy the last two drafts because maybe we're missing out and I was wanna know which one of those they Jerry would've drafted would've impacted the last two seasons for the Dallas Cowboys but show me how they're impacting their teams right now 'cause I don't know all their names that would be 5 from 2023 and 5 from 2024 show me how they had an impact...

I'm not saying we don't need one but all these ones that went this year they're not even in the top 20 I don't believe there might be one so far in yours but show me their impact like they're having on their team I mean you have a guy like Reese hall in that running back stable in Miami and they still drafted players and they basically are using running back by committee because if they weren't these players would have a lot of production, right? I'm just curious the top five running backs in the last three drafts how much impact did they really have on their team./. I believe Jerry Jones thought if the offensive line was improved and if they can scheme it better that this group would have been as good as any of the others teens that have chosen to use a group committee running backroom so far it hasn't yes it's a failure but I'm just looking and I'm just skimming 'cause I'm not doing this for you I'm just wanna know who Jerry could've took the last three years that would've actually had a direct impact on our team but show me the impact they had on the other teams they were drafted by...

ill do this as its fast to look up

top RB in last 3 drafts

2022- Breece Hall hasnt had a 1k season yet has upside lots of hype so much so the lets drafted allen?1700yards so far in 2.5 seasons

2023-Bijan Robinson 1.5 seasons=?? impactful, nope, his backup seems better hes just good ,1356 in 1.5 seaosns

2024-Jonathon Brooks this one would have been cute talked him Jerry anther hurt player starting on IR LOL hasnt played yet

Oh, okay, I see what you mean, and it's valid. My point is basically that, even if the rookie we draft doesn't necessarily start right away, we do need a massive upgrade at RB. To me, and I could be wrong, I think Jeanty looks like a back that can start for a long time. To me, when I look at this RB draft class, the pickings beyond round 3 don't look great, at least when I look on Walter Football (https://BAN-INCOMING-IN-3-2-1/RBRankings2025.php). Obviously, Jeanty is the best back in the class, but, like I said, I would also be perfectly fine with us going NT early like Williams from Ohio State. Or, heck, we could go guard, Walker, and Gordon first three. My point is, I think we should try to get a starting caliber back, even if Dowdle starts and they rotate in early and start as the season goes on. I suppose if we wait until round 4, I could go for maybe Montrel Johnson from Florida. However, the RB options after Gordon are either small (like Jonah Coleman who'd make a good secondary running back) or don't look very appealing. I think I'd rather go RB in the first 3 rounds this year and go Lb or pass rush DE either rounds 2, 3, (if we go NT early, like a Pearce from Tennessee or Stutsman from OU) or round 4 (like a Jacob Farrar from Indiana).

Basically, and I'll obviously dive into this more later when we are actually in the draft season after the SB, I think it's easier to get a RB, based on what I see available, round 3 or earlier, and then to either pass rush and/or Lb round 4.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

Man, you must love to type. lol Hopefully these long posts are making you feel a little better. This one isn’t as long as the one you typed the other day. It took a few seconds just to scroll over it.

Haha, I do enjoy to type, but I really don't like to do these kinds of threads. I much prefer to make threads where I'm more excited about stuff.

 

[blueblood70]

Oh, okay, I see what you mean, and it's valid. My point is basically that, even if the rookie we draft doesn't necessarily start right away, we do need a massive upgrade at RB. To me, and I could be wrong, I think Jeanty looks like a back that can start for a long time. To me, when I look at this RB draft class, the pickings beyond round 3 don't look great, at least when I look on Walter Football (https://BAN-INCOMING-IN-3-2-1/RBRankings2025.php). Obviously, Jeanty is the best back in the class, but, like I said, I would also be perfectly fine with us going NT early like Williams from Ohio State. Or, heck, we could go guard, Walker, and Gordon first three. My point is, I think we should try to get a starting caliber back, even if Dowdle starts and they rotate in early and start as the season goes on. I suppose if we wait until round 4, I could go for maybe Montrel Johnson from Florida. However, the RB options after Gordon are either small (like Jonah Coleman who'd make a good secondary running back) or don't look very appealing. I think I'd rather go RB in the first 3 rounds this year and go Lb or pass rush DE either rounds 2, 3, (if we go NT early, like a Pearce from Tennessee or Stutsman from OU) or round 4 (like a Jacob Farrar from Indiana).

Basically, and I'll obviously dive into this more later when we are actually in the draft season after the SB, I think it's easier to get a RB, based on what I see available, round 3 or earlier, and then to either pass rush and/or Lb round 4.

I understand what you're saying I just want people to want to appreciate what Ezekiel Elliott did to start his career the first four years of his career he was the best NFL back he had an impact on the game both runner and in the past game and one of the best blockers in the league that would be nice to have again Ezekiel Elliott made Prescott the rookie of the year I haven't seen an impact rookie like that in the last three or four drafts I'm trying to figure that out so when you have your sights set on one guy and one guy only I'm saying buyer beware but yes maybe this guy is going to be the first guy since Ezekiel Elliott I know saquon had a decent rookie year but he didn't impact the game like Ezekiel Elliott did I just looked it up

Ezekiel Elliott was number two overall in the entire NFL history. people get down on elliot like he didnt have an impact but for sure he was one of the best Nfl backs to come out in a very long time that was worth atop 5 pick before injury, wear and tear, and the offensive line started breaking down. his first four years in this league was very good..

i'm with you on that if we get one of those guys yes but there no guarantees. we better hope the new OC/HC/OLC can actually scheme because right now i believe our poor run game has more to do with MM and the OLC and OL itself.. how in the world after the way Rico ran in the PB game did he not get 20 carries last game 15-20 every game, im betting he would be looked at better right now than we are viewing him.


. because outside of injury our main problem here is our coaches all of them... nothing looks crisp or clean routes, route trees, play calls , coverages, blitzes tackling etc etc

 

[offlimits]

Perhaps the silliest post I will read on here today. Admins! Ban this man! Ban him to read only.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

I understand what you're saying I just want people to want to appreciate what Ezekiel Elliott did to start his career the first four years of his career he was the best NFL back he had an impact on the game both runner and in the past game and one of the best blockers in the league that would be nice to have again Ezekiel Elliott made Prescott the rookie of the year I haven't seen an impact rookie like that in the last three or four drafts I'm trying to figure that out so when you have your sights set on one guy and one guy only I'm saying buyer beware but yes maybe this guy is going to be the first guy since Ezekiel Elliott I know saquon had a decent rookie year but he didn't impact the game like Ezekiel Elliott did I just looked it up

Ezekiel Elliott was number two overall in the entire NFL history. people get down on elliot like he didnt have an impact but for sure he was one of the best Nfl backs to come out in a very long time that was worth atop 5 pick before injury, wear and tear, and the offensive line started breaking down. his first four years in this league was very good..

i'm with you on that if we get one of those guys yes but there no guarantees. we better hope the new OC/HC/OLC can actually scheme because right now i believe our poor run game has more to do with MM and the OLC and OL itself.. how in the world after the way Rico ran in the PB game did he not get 20 carries last game 15-20 every game, im betting he would be looked at better right now than we are viewing him.


. because outside of injury our main problem here is our coaches all of them... nothing looks crisp or clean routes, route trees, play calls , coverages, blitzes tackling etc etc

Oh, no doubt. Zeke was phenomenal with what he did his rookie year. I'm just wanting to try to find a back that can last a long time too, but yeah, Zeke's rookie year was amazing.

 

[ChronicCowboy]

I haven’t spent a dime on the Cowboys since 2007. I went to dozens of games at Texas Stadium and remember those times fondly.

But I realized once the new stadium was built, that Jerry had different priorities. Jerry has been committed to keeping the stadium at the forefront of entertainment and building his philanthropic empire. Winning another title has taken a back seat.

Until Jerry decides to assign a worthy GM, I’ll spend my money elsewhere.