Has Jerry taken a toll on this this team

[theebs]

Someone posted yesterday that when Steinbrenner stepped aside and let baseball people make the decisions. The Yankees went on to win 4 in five years... 1 out away from 5 in 6 years.

THAT is whats happening now.

What makes you say that is what is happening now?

Baseball is really different and hard to compare. When steinbrenner was suspended Roy white and Gene Michael ran the show and trusted minor league managers and scouts to make decisions. then they promoted buck showalter.

Then the talent started to make its way to the major league level, there was no one there to demand trades for proven veterans. In the early 90s no one could be overruled by ol george and trade A young jay buhner for worthless ken phelps.

as soon as they showed signs of improvement George was back and started buying players again. He just happened to have a great core of guys already up in the big leagues. So paying veterans was a good decision. Had george been involved earlier in the decade some of those guys like rivera, williams, jeter, posada may have never made it to the big league club.

It seems jerry actually pulled a steinbrenner in the roy williams trade. time will tell.

this is why I am always so baffled with people wanting romo gone. If something happens and we lose romo we may never see anything but a journeyman qb here again. Jerry is to impatient to develop players, look at the skill positions, he just goes and buy's them. And its rare that they work out.

If something happens with romo over the next 2 years and jerry makes the wrong choice and goes in a different direction, I am not sure with jerry involved in the decision making process we will find a qb for another decade.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

lol theebs you just reminded me of how some people wanted to trade a RB or thought Barber was lesser, these same poeple think it's all Romos' fault....no wonder some are content with losing.

It just makes you LOL sometimes realizing that some reputable posters are very unknowlegable about NFL football.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

What makes you say that is what is happening now?

Baseball is really different and hard to compare. When steinbrenner was suspended Roy white and Gene Michael ran the show and trusted minor league managers and scouts to make decisions. then they promoted buck showalter.

Then the talent started to make its way to the major league level, there was no one there to demand trades for proven veterans. In the early 90s no one could be overruled by ol george and trade A young jay buhner for worthless ken phelps.

as soon as they showed signs of improvement George was back and started buying players again. He just happened to have a great core of guys already up in the big leagues. So paying veterans was a good decision. Had george been involved earlier in the decade some of those guys like rivera, williams, jeter, posada may have never made it to the big league club.

It seems jerry actually pulled a steinbrenner in the roy williams trade. time will tell.

this is why I am always so baffled with people wanting romo gone. If something happens and we lose romo we may never see anything but a journeyman qb here again. Jerry is to impatient to develop players, look at the skill positions, he just goes and buy's them. And its rare that they work out.

If something happens with romo over the next 2 years and jerry makes the wrong choice and goes in a different direction, I am not sure with jerry involved in the decision making process we will find a qb for another decade.

I hear ya theebs.... but there are many parallels here.

Too add:
Once we started winning, Steinbrenner only showed his face when the WS was won.

 

[theebs]

I hear ya theebs.... but there are many parallels here.

Too add:
Once we started winning, Steinbrenner only showed his face when the WS was won.

i dont really think there are parallels but again baseball is so different.

ol george was front and center in 95 calling out players, signing everyone he could, demanding trades be explored.

After NY's youngish team in 94 played great and was winning the east till the strike george started with his expectations, like the guy here does.

in july of 95 out of the blue he just started going after don mattingly again. it was typical bizzare steinbrenner.

again, thankfully for yankees fans, george wasnt making decisions in the early 90s, as much as the past. Who knows what would have happened to pettit, williams, posada, jeter, rivera etc. The scouts found and developed the skill positions and were patient with them in the minor leagues. Centerfield, catcher, shortstop, pitching. the key areas you need to be good at in mlb.

George got to add his corner outfielders and Dh's as usual down the road but,
this time he didnt trade any of the young talent for them.

I guess there is a parallel here that jerry is removed ultimate authority and all of a sudden we find a bunch of good players at the skill positions.

 

[bbgun]

Aren't you taking this "sarcasm" bit a little too far? Your posting this way in just about every thread.

He's still doing it? Sad. Don't worry: he'll get tired eventually and then we'll put him down for a long overdue nap.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Yes, yes baseball is different. That is not the point.

Regardless of the reason, Steinbrenner wasnt as involved in the 90's as in the 80's and we had great success.

So.... lets get Jerry suspended for a few years.


By the way - George stepped aside as well. He let baseball people make decisions. Do you really think he had NO CONTROL or say in anything while he was suspended. Come on friend....

i dont really think there are parallels but again baseball is so different.

ol george was front and center in 95 calling out players, signing everyone he could, demanding trades be explored.

After NY's youngish team in 94 played great and was winning the east till the strike george started with his expectations, like the guy here does.

in july of 95 out of the blue he just started going after don mattingly again. it was typical bizzare steinbrenner.

again, thankfully for yankees fans, george wasnt making decisions in the early 90s, as much as the past. Who knows what would have happened to pettit, williams, posada, jeter, rivera etc. The scouts found and developed the skill positions and were patient with them in the minor leagues. Centerfield, catcher, shortstop, pitching. the key areas you need to be good at in mlb.

George got to add his corner outfielders and Dh's as usual down the road but,
this time he didnt trade any of the young talent for them.

I guess there is a parallel here that jerry is removed ultimate authority and all of a sudden we find a bunch of good players at the skill positions.

 

[theebs]

Yes, yes baseball is different. That is not the point.

Regardless of the reason, Steinbrenner wasnt as involved in the 90's as in the 80's and we had great success.

So.... lets get Jerry suspended for a few years.


By the way - George stepped aside as well. He let baseball people make decisions. Do you really think he had NO CONTROL or say in anything while he was suspended. Come on friend....

I am sure he did have some say, its just that he wasnt there to strike fear into people. they had been losing for awhile and the actual baseball people took control.

he was still a dominant figure in the 90s, dont confuse any of this with him not being right there. its just that the yankees lucked out with the timing.

I can only imagine how fast he would have traded a rising star in the minor leagues in bernie williams for an ed whitson or jack clark again.

side note, in 90 I saw Gene michael and Roy White scouting a ny penn league game...utica bluesox vs the oneonta yankees. they were two of the nicest guys you could ever meet. I went to the game which was just up the street from my house and still had my little league uni on, i went over and asked them for an autograph and they talked to me for like 15 minutes all about baseball. It was a pretty incredible conversation for a 12 year old!!!

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

I am sure he did have some say, its just that he wasnt there to strike fear into people. they had been losing for awhile and the actual baseball people took control.

he was still a dominant figure in the 90s, dont confuse any of this with him not being right there. its just that the yankees lucked out with the timing.

I can only imagine how fast he would have traded a rising star in the minor leagues in bernie williams for an ed whitson or jack clark again.

Thats for the info.

There is no confusion here. Less George = more Yankee success.
We need that formula here. Period.

side note, in 90 I saw Gene michael and Roy White scouting a ny penn league game...utica bluesox vs the oneonta yankees. they were two of the nicest guys you could ever meet. I went to the game which was just up the street from my house and still had my little league uni on, i went over and asked them for an autograph and they talked to me for like 15 minutes all about baseball. It was a pretty incredible conversation for a 12 year old!!!

That is pretty cool. Nice guys working for the evil dictator Darth Steingrabber. LOL

 

[EPL0c0]

I don't know about the team but a lot of what jerry does (not all of it mind you) has worn on my and did so long ago.

Yeah, Jerry the GM sometimes does ok, but Jerry the Businessman has become a pain in the patootie!

 

[bbgun]

What makes you say that is what is happening now?

Baseball is really different and hard to compare. When steinbrenner was suspended Roy white and Gene Michael ran the show and trusted minor league managers and scouts to make decisions. then they promoted buck showalter.

Bob Watson's efforts were instrumental as well.

 

[theebs]

Thats for the info.

There is no confusion here. Less George = more Yankee success.
We need that formula here. Period.







That is pretty cool. Nice guys working for the evil dictator Darth Steingrabber. LOL

agreed. I am all in favor of less jerry in every way.

 

[djmajestik]

He may have finally fallen off the deep end.

And on to the ignore list. It's old!

 

[RS12]

I think Jerry Jones is really a Commanders fan ..... and this has all been an elaborate ploy to destroy the Cowboys forever.

He has never done anything other than destroy team after team

I refuse to believe he is doing it on accident.

He and Snyder are in cahoots .....

How else could you explain the horrible drafts and refusal to try and win?

Only a blind stupid homer would not be able to see this.


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Never noticed but, Danny boy dresses like a don.

 

[RS12]

You are kidding with topic, right?

 

[thechosen1n2]

You are kidding with topic, right?

why would i be?

 

[zrinkill]

And on to the ignore list. It's old!

You must be one of the blind homers who refuse to see the facts.!!!

 

[TellerMorrow34]

The Homer picture is funny. Good thing you've come up with that for your signature cause otherwise this comedy act would be really stale at this point.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Bob Watson's efforts were instrumental as well.

Yes. I forgot about Bob. Thats correct.

agreed. I am all in favor of less jerry in every way.

Beers all around, for everyone AFTER we win SB

You are kidding with topic, right?

This is a legit topic.
Thinking back to when he hired Parcell's. Both he and Parcell's "we are going to consult each other and make decisions together"

Please.

 

[theebs]

Yes. I forgot about Bob. Thats correct.




Beers all around, for everyone AFTER we win SB





This is a legit topic.
Thinking back to when he hired Parcell's. Both he and Parcell's "we are going to consult each other and make decisions together"

Please.

Bob Watson had nothing to do with what transpired in the early 90s with the team. He was in houston, just to be clear.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Has Jerry taken a toll on this team? Of course any player wants to win, but do they want to win at all cost, and will they lay it on the line for Jerry. Do players look at things like:


He hasnt re-upped Demarcus Ware. Do players (not intentionally) look at this and say Dang, he has not taken care of our best player. Not to mention Wares motor doesnt seem to be as high. That combined with the double and triple teams...not good for success.

No, not IMO.

Most players know Jerry will pay for a player he wants, if anything the opposite might be true...Players want to come here or be traded here because they know they will get a good payday from Jerry.

He publicly stated that he was not going to get rid of TO (combined that many many players wanted him here), and then he released him. Now a man has a right to change his mind, but does that say to others (especially those not as talented or productive as TO) that I dont know if i can trust this man, this man on one hand seems to want whats best for the team, but on the other seems to be a liar.

I think players know that this is a business and I really think Jerry was being honest when he said TO was not going anywhere. At that point there is no doubt in my mind that he had every intention of keeping TO. I think he was convinced by Stephen and some others that he should indeed let TO go and at that time he finally signed off on it.

He undermines the head coach's authority, and the team is not sure he will be here next year. That could cause a player to reason "Coach" is not here next year, what does that say for me and where I stand on this team.

I don't know about the coach not being here next season playing a role in how players think concerning Jones.

However I do think he has some influence over how the players view things from the standpoint that some know they can go to him and by pass the head coach. I think other players see that and it can bother them and give them a different view about the players that do it and also the coaches.

I also think there are probably some players that were upset in the past that the HC was wanting to have fines for players breaking rules but the owner saying no. I imagine some did not like the idea that other players were missing or late to meetings but not getting punished for it.

So in some aspects I can see how that might make a player view things differently.