Has The 5-Yd Pass Replaced the Handoff?

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I think it was last year or the year before I started a thread asking if we could dink and dunk into the postseason and a whole bunch of homers got their _____ in a wod. Well here we are and the dinks are getting shorter and more frequent.

So again I ask the question, can we dink and dunk into the postseason?

It seems that the big play threat is all but gone, a distant memory, very sad to say. Its like I'm in a ghost town where only a few people realize the fireworks have ended and the only thing left are a few black kats and sparklers. No more rockets or Roman candles but yet everybody thinks we have a few missing cases of the good stuff somewhere. God I hope so!!

More like sipping on ole Jerry's secret sauce... Well pour me some!!! I wanna be delusional too...

Seriously what game are you people watching? Romo has had a lot of time in numerous plays in preseason and in game 1 in which he has just done nothing. Why? Because he doesn't have the zip that he used to. He's not being overly cautious, he just doesn't have the arm anymore people.. Deal with it.. Or has his confidence been destroyed?

We can walk with the footmen but when the horses start running we're just going to be left behind in a cloud of dust...

P.S. You can take me off ignore when you come to the same sad realization. I know its painful but its a fact. A hard fact at that. I ain't mad at cha....
 

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In 2012 Romo had the 5th highest air yards per attempt. Air yards is how many yards are gained on completed passes and removing receiver YAC. Air yards per attempt is the same but includes number of attempts.

It was 4.43. Colin Kaepernick led the NFL at 5.03 air yards per attempt.

So... yes.
 

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I seem to remember this question when Bill Walsh re-introduced the WCO to the NFL. The answer is yes and no. Yes, some teams will move further and further away from handoffs and a running game. No, some teams will continue to run the ball as their primary means of Offense. In both cases it probably depends upon the personnel.
 

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Well, the NFL Channel just put up a graphic showing the Cowboys are 9-0 when DeMarco carries the ball 20 or more times, 4-11 when he carries it less than 20 times. So, at least with the Cowboys, there would appear to be a good reason to hand it off rather than throw it short, at least 20 times a game.
 

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I was wondering why he didn't go deep also when he had plenty of time. All I know is I'm not a fan of his anymore and his apologists annoy me. He lost me on that last int vs Washigton.
 

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Well, the NFL Channel just put up a graphic showing the Cowboys are 9-0 when DeMarco carries the ball 20 or more times, 4-11 when he carries it less than 20 times. So, at least with the Cowboys, there would appear to be a good reason to hand it off rather than throw it short, at least 20 times a game.

This is the whole "chicken or the egg" theory that I once read about on Football Outsiders. Are the Cowboys 9-0 BECAUSE Murray is getting 20 carries in those games; or is Murray getting 20-plus carries BECAUSE Dallas is winning and thus; throwing the ball less? Just something to think about.
 

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As a side note Walsh was a Brown protege and he went to SF but couldn't install the read offense i.e. the vertical offense. The reason was he didn't have the personnel to run it. What he did was by necessity dink and dunk the ball down the field and morph it into an offense that was essentially a horizontal timing/read offense. And it became so hard to defend they invented a defense to combat it. Yep, you guessed it right; the Tampa 2. BTW, Walsh was a great coach IMO. Too bad it was for the 49ers.

You take what the defense gives you. Romo and Callahan did a good job of protecting the ball and taking what was given. They tried to force an intermediate pass or two to Dez without success. They couldn't run the ball to the right side and had decent success on the left. So not much in the intermediate department and no long ball. So they went to what worked. I'm a tad disappointed in them keeping Williams on the field and not giving Harris some snaps. He caught two passes. Miles hurt them some but they would have been more threatening and likely more successful if they had another receiver to throw to.

I thought the Giants were great shutting down the X and Z. Thankfully they were inconsistent with the Y and Witten hurt them. And the W stung them with Miles getting 10 catches for 72 yards with a long of 18. I thought the Giants also did a great job of coming up and making the tackle. That was good football and one reason we had such a poor YPC.
 

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I was wondering why he didn't go deep also when he had plenty of time. All I know is I'm not a fan of his anymore and his apologists annoy me. He lost me on that last int vs Washigton.

So putting forward the facts which include positives and negatives about Romo is being an apologist??
 

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This is the whole "chicken or the egg" theory that I once read about on Football Outsiders. Are the Cowboys 9-0 BECAUSE Murray is getting 20 carries in those games; or is Murray getting 20-plus carries BECAUSE Dallas is winning and thus; throwing the ball less? Just something to think about.

Yeah, it's hard to say, but it does definitely mean DeMarco was healthy enough to carry the ball 20 times in those 9 wins, and we didn't have to go to the backups so much. So, there's that, too.
 

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Quote from the OP regarding Romo
Basically what u are seeing is the rapid decline of a QB that never really had it to begin with...

Yah, I think I'll take whatever he says with a grain of salt.

P.S - It was one game!
 

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So putting forward the facts which include positives and negatives about Romo is being an apologist??

An apologists is a guy who gives every excuse as to why he was throwing the ball away multiple times when he had no pressure. I highly doubt everyone was covered. Either Garrett's offense or Romo. That's just how it is.
 

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An apologists is a guy who gives every excuse as to why he was throwing the ball away multiple times when he had no pressure. I highly doubt everyone was covered. Either Garrett's offense or Romo. That's just how it is.

You're kidding right??! You do realize he's been criticized for holding onto the ball too long and taking a sack in that game. And rightfully so.

Now if you want to say I believe Tony was trying to protect the ball a bit much and didn't throw the ball into tight spaces then I'm not going to argue with you. If you say what you said then I'm going to dismiss you. You can have the last word.
 

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You're kidding right??! You do realize he's been criticized for holding onto the ball too long and taking a sack in that game. And rightfully so.

Now if you want to say I believe Tony was trying to protect the ball a bit much and didn't throw the ball into tight spaces then I'm not going to argue with you. If you say what you said then I'm going to dismiss you. You can have the last word.

Romo can't win with some fans. If he throws it away, he should have held it for the sack. If he holds it, he should have thrown it away or thrown into triple coverage.
 

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Well, the NFL Channel just put up a graphic showing the Cowboys are 9-0 when DeMarco carries the ball 20 or more times, 4-11 when he carries it less than 20 times. So, at least with the Cowboys, there would appear to be a good reason to hand it off rather than throw it short, at least 20 times a game.

I think that would be a common stat for any running back. If a teams primary back carries for 20 or more they win. Could be wrong, but seems right.
 

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ah the tony haters always seem to infiltrate every thread...lovely, just lovely....apparently, he isn't leaving it all on the field, with the exception of course of his ribs, lung, and various other dings...:rolleyes:


and, to answer the OP, dinking and dunking can only get you so far IMO...but, the big play will open up the short game and the short game will keep the safeties in more, allowing for big plays...I like that they gave this look in game 1 since now, perhaps they will benefit from KC trying to stop the small game by packing in the line more...BOMBS AWAY!!!!!!!
 

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and, to answer the OP, dinking and dunking can only get you so far IMO...but, the big play will open up the short game and the short game will keep the safeties in more, allowing for big plays...I like that they gave this look in game 1 since now, perhaps they will benefit from KC trying to stop the small game by packing in the line more...BOMBS AWAY!!!!!!!


I hope so because when you have to throw 50+ little passes a game, eventually 1-3 things are going to go wrong, like a pick 6 for starters.. There were a few drops by the defenders nobody is talking about either...
 
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