Has this draft made us offensively average for the next decade?

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In today's salary cap world few teams are balanced with defense and offense with NE and the Iggles come to mind :mad: and hence their dominance of late. Then their are either offensive or defensive teams like the Colts or Ravens who always have a nice season or good run, but never enough, or a one hit wonder.

If our draft class is as good as everyone hopes along with Roy and Terrance, are we going to have so much money tied up in defense that our offense will suffer? Just asking. It does seem to me though at the least our future QB will command a bus driver salary instead of superstar salary with the direction we are going. I'm not quite sure if Dallas can ever afford a top 5 receiver, unless we are fortunate enough to draft one and keep him around for a few years. I hope my concern is overblown, just throwing this out for discussion.
 

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doomsday_II said:
In today's salary cap world few teams are balanced with defense and offense with NE and the Iggles come to mind :mad: and hence their dominance of late. Then their are either offensive or defensive teams like the Colts or Ravens who always have a nice season or good run, but never enough, or a one hit wonder.

If our draft class is as good as everyone hopes along with Roy and Terrance, are we going to have so much money tied up in defense that our offense will suffer? Just asking. It does seem to me though at the least our future QB will command a bus driver salary instead of superstar salary with the direction we are going. I'm not quite sure if Dallas can ever afford a top 5 receiver, unless we are fortunate enough to draft one and keep him around for a few years. I hope my concern is overblown, just throwing this out for discussion.

I don't think that is the case, I do think Parcells wanted to get more talent on the defensive side because if you look at most of the top teams competing for Super Bowls they all have top rated defenses. Offensively Dallas has drafted along the O-line,TE and RB and I would not doubt that WR is a position Dallas will look at next year both in FA and the draft as guys like Glenn and Key are getting older.
 

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in a single offseason - dallas appears to have added a lot of pieces to what was a pretty pedestrian defense.

so isn't it possible they could accomplish a similar upgrade to the offense?

i think it is.

the defense got most of the attention this time. and wisely so.
 

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At this point I would expect that our passing game would be average.

But...our running game will be much better than average due to talent level upgrades at RB and the O-line. And a majority of the new faces are young.

So....No...I would not say that our offense is average because of the drafts. I think this is the perception because of the onus put on the passing game today. People tend to focus on the Wideouts and the QB's.

IMO people focus to much on these positions. I am an old school fan. Give me defense and a running game over a passing game.

Defense wins championships. Just ask New England and the Colts.
 

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Julius Jones and Jason Witten are young studs that give our offense a decent nucleus to build around. I don't think were too far off in this era of free agency..
 

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Having a great defense does not force you offense to be bad and vice-versa. There's always a chance good drafts and just the right free agents and coaching can elevate any part of your team.

So I think it's important to always be very good at one thing (in this case, defense) so that during the years when your offense and special teams manage to find their chemistry you are ready to make a Superbowl run.
 

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Doomsday101 said:
I don't think that is the case, I do think Parcells wanted to get more talent on the defensive side because if you look at most of the top teams competing for Super Bowls they all have top rated defenses. Offensively Dallas has drafted along the O-line,TE and RB and I would not doubt that WR is a position Dallas will look at next year both in FA and the draft as guys like Glenn and Key are getting older.

That's true about super bowl defenses. Besides Julius and Witten, all the other offensive draftee's seem to be lunch pale guys who will be solid (assuming Roger's and Peterman work out). But a team does need these type of guys to win.

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in a single offseason - dallas appears to have added a lot of pieces to what was a pretty pedestrian defense.

so isn't it possible they could accomplish a similar upgrade to the offense?

i think it is.

the defense got most of the attention this time. and wisely so.

Well maybe the strategy will go more offense in the next couple drafts. Dallas will give big contracts in the next year or two to Witten, Julius, and Roy for sure, and maybe Newman. The tough decisions will come when this years draft class starts to resign.

So it seems to me Dallas has maybe 3-4 years, if good talent is drafted, to really have the most talant on their roster on both sides of the ball, and hopefully Tuna can get a few to resign for the good of the team to keep some players which otherwise wouldn't be able to afford. But if Bill has to start making desicions which is not a bad position to be in, I think he keeps defense over offense.
 

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Mike 1967 said:
At this point I would expect that our passing game would be average.

But...our running game will be much better than average due to talent level upgrades at RB and the O-line. And a majority of the new faces are young.

So....No...I would not say that our offense is average because of the drafts. I think this is the perception because of the onus put on the passing game today. People tend to focus on the Wideouts and the QB's.

IMO people focus to much on these positions. I am an old school fan. Give me defense and a running game over a passing game.

Defense wins championships. Just ask New England and the Colts.

Oh I agree here. I wouldn't mind a power running game with a top five defense. I just hope we don't overshoot on our financial commitment on defense to the detriment to the offense. We can have so so QB's and WR's, but need a great OL, RB, and TE to make this work.
 

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doomsday_II said:
That's true about super bowl defenses. Besides Julius and Witten, all the other offensive draftee's seem to be lunch pale guys who will be solid (assuming Roger's and Peterman work out). But a team does need these type of guys to win.



Well maybe the strategy will go more offense in the next couple drafts. Dallas will give big contracts in the next year or two to Witten, Julius, and Roy for sure, and maybe Newman. The tough decisions will come when this years draft class starts to resign.

So it seems to me Dallas has maybe 3-4 years, if good talent is drafted, to really have the most talant on their roster on both sides of the ball, and hopefully Tuna can get a few to resign for the good of the team to keep some players which otherwise wouldn't be able to afford. But if Bill has to start making desicions which is not a bad position to be in, I think he keeps defense over offense.


I think we will start to feel the cap crunch when these players start resigning. We are going to have some very tough decisions to make. I don't see us being big players in free agency next year. The draft is going to be the key to our future success.
 

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With a strong running game and a pro-bowl TE, the passing game will open up for the WRs as long as the QB can get it to them.
 

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Two things:

First, the cap keeps going up, so re-signing the bulk of these players won't be a huge issue.

Second, it will be crucial that one of the young guys at QB can become a solid starter. Right now we don't have anywhere near the money tied up at the QB position that other teams do. If Henson or Romo can't give us a starter, we will be stuck with retreads or forced to spend big in the draft or FA at QB, leaving us with cap decisions elsewhere.
 

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speedkilz88 said:
With a strong running game and a pro-bowl TE, the passing game will open up for the WRs as long as the QB can get it to them.

I just get the feeling with Bill's disdain for premadona WR's (unless your a really hard working premadona like Key :) ), that Bill we be content with second tier WR's as long as he is coaching. But as your said a TE and RB plus OLine can make it work. Maybe second tier WR's is part of the formula to financially support a dominant running game.
 

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I don't know if it ruins the chances of the offense.

I do think it puts us ahead of the curve with defense if Ware and Spears hit it big, along with Burnett and Canty.

That is the nucleus of a great defense if all players perform up to their potential.

I would rather have that, then a few WRs or OTs.

Never fear, I think if things break right, we can go almost all offense next time around.

Grab a QB, WR and RT.
 

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blindzebra said:
Two things:

First, the cap keeps going up, so re-signing the bulk of these players won't be a huge issue.

Second, it will be crucial that one of the young guys at QB can become a solid starter. Right now we don't have anywhere near the money tied up at the QB position that other teams do. If Henson or Romo can't give us a starter, we will be stuck with retreads or forced to spend big in the draft or FA at QB, leaving us with cap decisions elsewhere.

That's true about the cap, and the solid QB vs. star QB cuts both ways. However, (homer alert) suppose we have Julius, Witten, Roy, Terrance(stepping up this year), Canty, Spears, Ware commanding huge salaries in the future, that clearly makes apparent the need for the solid QB you alluded too and retread if need be. No room for a superstar QB.

Like I say I'm not complaining, heck I'm ecstatic, just trying to look into the crystal ball. :)
 

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Alexander said:
I don't know if it ruins the chances of the offense.

I do think it puts us ahead of the curve with defense if Ware and Spears hit it big, along with Burnett and Canty.

That is the nucleus of a great defense if all players perform up to their potential.

I would rather have that, then a few WRs or OTs.

Never fear, I think if things break right, we can go almost all offense next time around.

Grab a QB, WR and RT.

Here's what's funny...we may grab a FS and MLB early in next years draft too. Not sold on Bradie James yet....

I think if one of Petitti or Rogers and then Peterman work out we are in good shape on the oline with Big Al, Rivera, LA, and Adams for a while. TE's and RB's are good...I'd say WR and QB...maybe RT depending on Rogers OR Petitti.

Next years needs:
FS
WR
MLB?
RT...maybe???
Some may say QB....who knows a this point...not going there.
 

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Here's what's funny...we may grab a FS and MLB early in next years draft too. Not sold on Bradie James yet....

I think if one of Petitti or Rogers and then Peterman work out we are in good shape on the oline with Big Al, Rivera, LA, and Adams for a while. TE's and RB's are good...I'd say WR and QB...maybe RT depending on Rogers OR Petitti.

Next years needs:
FS
WR
MLB?
RT...maybe???
Some may say QB....who knows a this point...not going there.

You might be forgetting about free agency.

We could easily replace the FS and ILB with free agents, just like we apparently addressed the guard and corner positions.

I really don't see much wrong with the draft we had. We got the best players for the need areas on this team.

I know many were complaining that we did not draft WR, but save Mike Williams, there weren't any worth it where we were selecting.

Just give it time.
 

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Alexander said:
I don't know if it ruins the chances of the offense.

I do think it puts us ahead of the curve with defense if Ware and Spears hit it big, along with Burnett and Canty.

That is the nucleus of a great defense if all players perform up to their potential.

I would rather have that, then a few WRs or OTs.

Never fear, I think if things break right, we can go almost all offense next time around.

Grab a QB, WR and RT.

If we can go mainly offense the next draft or two, once it comes crunch time with the cap hopefully we will have enough stars on both sides of the ball to keep a balanced attack. I have come to the conclussion though we are going down the path of top 15 QB, not top 5. For team chemistry though this can be a good thing.
 

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You might be forgetting about free agency.

We could easily replace the FS and ILB with free agents, just like we apparently addressed the guard and corner positions.

I really don't see much wrong with the draft we had. We got the best players for the need areas on this team.

I know many were complaining that we did not draft WR, but save Mike Williams, there weren't any worth it where we were selecting.

Just give it time.

Oh I'm not complaining about our draft.....I'm happy as He11 about it. I'm just thinking next years needs and draft...it really depends on whats available in FA. We did great this year...and maybe that perfect FS is available...tough to say right now.

Just think about the needs at the end of last year vs. now...I think we may finally have a short list of needs rather then a long one....going into next years off-season.
 
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the strength of next year's draft lies in its qbs,ots,etc., so it would be pretty easy to come up with a few/several offensive talents. add to that what has already been said about the offensive foundation already layed, and we could bring in 4-5 quality players just next year alone.
another bonus of bringing in so much talent on defense this year, is that you can always trade for equal value in an offensive player, if you find yourself one-sided.
 
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