hatcher was drafted to play DT

[InDakWeTrust]

hahahaha...good one...OLB? The guy ran a 4.83.

He could be in line for Spears' job with Spears going to NT after Fergi leaves???

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

ranked 88th by a journalist, even one that's good at it, doesn't mean he's the 88th best player available.

Ok, how else then are those of us not in the know supposed to determine how to rank all the players in terms best to last?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Eddie, goodness gracious dude, just tell us you're a Commander fan

 

[Smith22]

Goss did have him in his top 100, but I saw him listed as a 4th/5th rounder also. All subject to opinion I guess. I can understand the move if we are using him at DT, if not, then color me confused.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Goss did have him in his top 100, but I saw him listed as a 4th/5th rounder also. All subject to opinion I guess. I can understand the move if we are using him at DT, if not, then color me confused.

Hatcher said NO was planning to take him in the 4th

 

[Rack]

hahahaha...good one...OLB? The guy ran a 4.83.

One of these days you people are gonna learn that speed is overated.


And that there's a difference between football speed and track speed.


That said, he'll be a DE.

 

[DeepBleu]

he is too tall to play nt, not to mention that he is not heavy enough.

 

[Smith22]

From what I read, it has been said by Ireland that he can gain 20 pounds or so. He sounds more like a penetrating type of DL guy, so I could see him replacing Fergy on 3rd downs. Time will tell I suppose.

 

[Clove]

My only problem was, we have 5 Hatchers on the team. Canty/Spears/Johnson/Ratliff/Ellis.

 

[Rack]

My only problem was, we have 5 Hatchers on the team. Canty/Spears/Johnson/Ratliff/Ellis.

Johnson isn't a "Hatcher". He's a NG.


Ellis won't be around too much longer.

 

[JackMagist]

My only problem was, we have 5 Hatchers on the team. Canty/Spears/Johnson/Ratliff/Ellis.

If anyone is going to be moved from DE to NT it will be Ratliff; Johnson was already playing NT behind Fergi. Both Johnson and Ratliff are in the 6'2" to 6'3" ranger and both are over 300 pounds. That height and weight gives them a low center of gravity and makes it easier to get the leverage to take on multiple blockers in the middle. Both of those guys project much better at NT than a guy who is 6'6" and 285 (Hatcher). Even if Hatcher does gain 20 pounds he would still weigh about the same weight as Spears but 2 inches taller; he would have the height and weight suited for a 3-4 DE. That would give us Ferguson, Johnson and Ratliff on the inside and Spears, Canty, Ellis and Hatcher on the outside.

Looked at from that prospective the pick makes sense. Trying to move Hatcher to NT does NOT make sense at all. As for Hatcher going too early; I think he went right about where he was supposed to go. Had we not taken him when we did there were AT LEAST two other teams who would have taken him within the next 10 picks. That tells me he was not a reach. He is a raw talent to be sure but he does seem to have the talent to go in that slot.

 

[blindzebra]

Ratliff is 6-3 293, basically the same size as Pepper and bigger than Glover.

When we drafted him we were looking at him as a NT, he's only 10 pounds away from Parcells goal weight for his NT.

Drafting Hatcher puts Coleman on the bubble.

Base first string:

Spears, Ferguson, Canty

Second string:

Ratliff, Johnson, Ellis

Third string:

DE Hatcher, NT Ratliff

Nickel first string:

Ellis, Canty, Ratliff, Ware

Second team:

Carpenter, Spears, Ferguson, Hatcher/Burnett

 

[Smith22]

The sooner Coleman is gone the better, he can't outrun a snail.

 

[JackMagist]

Ratliff is 6-3 293, basically the same size as Pepper and bigger than Glover.

When we drafted him we were looking at him as a NT, he's only 10 pounds away from Parcells goal weight for his NT.

Drafting Hatcher puts Coleman on the bubble.

Base first string:

Spears, Ferguson, Canty

Second string:

Ratliff, Johnson, Ellis

Third string:

DE Hatcher, NT Ratliff

Nickel first string:

Ellis, Canty, Ratliff, Ware

Second team:

Carpenter, Spears, Ferguson, Hatcher/Burnett

Yes Ratliff and Johnson are listed as virtually the same size at 293 and 294 and 6’2” / 6’3”. However, I read in Spags column the other day where they were both going about 305 now so that listing may be outdated. That would make them both very close to the same size as Ferguson if it is indeed true. I think by year’s end Hatcher will replace Ratliff as the second string DE in the primary 3-4 set and Ratliff will become strictly an interior player at DT/NT.

Beyond that I think your lineups are about right except that I don't think Burnett has the bulk to put his hand on the ground; it would be Thornton there before it would be Burnett. Burnett will either be battling Shanle and Fowler for the backup spot behind Ayodele and James or possibly be backup to Carpenter at SOLB if we decide to ditch Singleton's salary.

 

[blindzebra]

Yes Ratliff and Johnson are listed as virtually the same size at 293 and 294 and 6’2” / 6’3”. However, I read in Spags column the other day where they were both going about 305 now so that listing may be outdated. That would make them both very close to the same size as Ferguson if it is indeed true. I think by year’s end Hatcher will replace Ratliff as the second string DE in the primary 3-4 set and Ratliff will become strictly an interior player at DT/NT.

Beyond that I think your lineups are about right except that I don't think Burnett has the bulk to put his hand on the ground; it would be Thornton there before it would be Burnett. Burnett will either be battling Shanle and Fowler for the backup spot behind Ayodele and James or possibly be backup to Carpenter at SOLB if we decide to ditch Singleton's salary.

Burnett spelled Ware several times last year prior to his injury, Thornton will be lucky to make the roster. I see Burnett backing up inside and for Ware, as well as playing LB in the nickel. He will pretty much be our 5th starter.

Starters:

Carpenter, James, Ayodele, Ware

Back ups:

Singleton/ Boiman, Burnett/ Boiman, Fowler, Burnett

Nickel

Carpenter and Burnett

Shanle and Thornton battle it out with any 2nd day draft pick for the 8th spot.

 

[JackMagist]

Burnett spelled Ware several times last year prior to his injury, Thornton will be lucky to make the roster. I see Burnett backing up inside and for Ware, as well as playing LB in the nickel. He will pretty much be our 5th starter.

Starters:

Carpenter, James, Ayodele, Ware

Back ups:

Singleton/ Boiman, Burnett/ Boiman, Fowler, Burnett

Nickel

Carpenter and Burnett

Shanle and Thornton battle it out with any 2nd day draft pick for the 8th spot.

I totally disagree about Thornton; he will be the backup to Ware. Burnett would never have seen that spot had Thornton not been on IR last year. He certainly won't be lining up with his hand on the ground; he is too small but Thornton CAN line up in a down set. Boiman, Fowler, Shanle and Burnett will battle it out for the inside backup spots should we decide to keep Singleton. If we let Singleton go then Burnett moves out behind Carpenter and the other three will battle it out for the inside backup spots.

 

[cowboyuptx]

Does anyone think Ellis is gone? Hatcher projects really well as a 3-4 DE. He is big, fast, and strong. I don't know much about him, so I wasn't happy with the pick. Ellis might be traded to Houston for their top 4th and 6th. Then we could take Max Jean Guilles. With the extra 6 and 7th rounders, Dallas can move up to nab Jon Scott. If we can somehow get these two guys in the 4th than our draft can be saved!!

You want to trade away the guy who has lead our team in sacks almost every year since he's been here???? He was the best DE taken in the '98 draft, we used a #8 over-all pick on the guy!! and you want to trade him for a 4th round pick!!:bang2:

Take the weekend off......