Hawaii DE Ikaika Alama-Francis Pro-Day

[Bob Sacamano]

this guy is a prototypical 3-4 DE

6'5" 276

4.85 and 4.88 40
35" vertical
9'6" long-jump
7.31 3-cone drill
4.62 short-shuttle

really looked good in positional drills as well as looking good in TE drills, so is obviously athletic

 

[theogt]

The Patriots staff actually flew to Hawaii to talk to his teachers, coaches, etc. I think we're set at the DE position. I don't think he's "prototypical," but he could certainly get there. I'd be worried he's topped out his weight though. He's gained 50 pounds in the past two years. He might not be able to get up to 295 and stay there.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

The Patriots staff actually flew to Hawaii to talk to his teachers, coaches, etc. I think we're set at the DE position.

I think so too, I was just curious to see how he would work out since he skipped most of the drills at the Combine

 

[Bob Sacamano]

The Patriots staff actually flew to Hawaii to talk to his teachers, coaches, etc. I think we're set at the DE position. I don't think he's "prototypical," but he could certainly get there. I'd be worried he's topped out his weight though. He's gained 50 pounds in the past two years. He might not be able to get up to 295 and stay there.

true, but his 6'5" frame still adds room to grow

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Whaa?... No mention of Samson?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Whaa?... No mention of Samson?

nope, just Ikaika

 

[cobra]

He's gained 50 pounds in the past two years.

Sweet Merriman!

50 lbs in 2 years? I'm sure he's clean. Someone probably slipped some HGH in his Ben Gay.

 

[Mr Cowboy]

Is this Russ Francis' son? The ex NE and SF tight end?

 

[MichaelWinicki]

true, but his 6'5" frame still adds room to grow

What is it with you Bob?

You think all tall guys can just pack on weight? It doesn't work like that.

 

[smarta5150]

What is it with you Bob?

You think all tall guys can just pack on weight? It doesn't work like that.

Maybe Summer is 6'5 and still growing wider.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Is this Russ Francis' son? The ex NE and SF tight end?

yes sir

 

[Bob Sacamano]

What is it with you Bob?

You think all tall guys can just pack on weight? It doesn't work like that.

being 6'5" means you have a tall-frame, which means you can add weight to fill it

it's science man, not a fetish

and that's why w/ draft prospects who stand over 6'1" you hear, "and they still have the frame to add weight"

 

[Cajuncowboy]

He didn't lift at his pro day because of the injured Pec but he previously threw up 37 reps on the bench. That's pretty good right there.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

being 6'5" means you have a tall-frame, which means you can add weight to fill it

it's science man, not a fetish

and that's why w/ draft prospects who stand over 6'1" you hear, "and they still have the frame to add weight"

Bob that is a gross over-simplification.

Not all body types can just "pack-on-weight" according to the "Bob Sacamano Rule of Thumb".


Compare Charles Haley/Reggies White... both were the same height. I doubt Haley ever played at a weight greater than 250. Consequently Reggie White played around 290.

But your "generalizations" about height/weight are just... too general.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Bob that is a gross over-simplification.

Not all body types can just "pack-on-weight" according to the "Bob Sacamano Rule of Thumb".


Compare Charles Haley/Reggies White... both were the same height. I doubt Haley ever played at a weight greater than 250. Consequently Reggie White played around 290.

But your "generalizations" about height/weight are just... too general.

dude, the only way to tell if a player can, or cannot, add more weight, is to have their DNA sample, so I go by the rule of thumb that a tall prospect, who's still growing by the way, can add more weight to his frame, it's not a definite, but it's very possible

again, when looking at scouting reports, tall players are listed as having the ability to add more weight, and remember BIll not wanting to take top-heavy players because he said they tend to add more weight as they mature?

btw, Haley probably stayed at 250 to keep his speed

 

[Bob Sacamano]

still has the frame to bulk up and add some more weight

from Joe Thomas' scouting report on NFLDraftCountdown.com, I could find plenty of other examples

 

[Tass]

Is this Russ Francis' son? The ex NE and SF tight end?

yes sir

Actually, this is from an article I read about him online:

"His father, Joe Francis, a QB, after playing at Kamehameha led Oregon State to the 1957 Rose Bowl and was drafted by the Green Bay Packers, but his pro career was cut short by broken legs suffered in two different preseasons."

 

[Mr Cowboy]

Actually, this is from an article I read about him online:

"His father, Joe Francis, a QB, after playing at Kamehameha led Oregon State to the 1957 Rose Bowl and was drafted by the Green Bay Packers, but his pro career was cut short by broken legs suffered in two different preseasons."

That's probably his grandfather......if he QB in 1957 Rose Bowl, that would make him about 80 years old right now.

I read somewhere that Russ Francis had a son who was a prospect this year. I remember Russ was from and lived in Hawaii.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

That's probably his grandfather......if he QB in 1957 Rose Bowl, that would make him about 80 years old right now.

I read somewhere that Russ Francis had a son who was a prospect this year. I remember Russ was from and lived in Hawaii.

I just read that his father was Joe Francis, backup QB to Bart Starr in Green Bay, it's in his profile at NFLDraftCountdown.com

for anyone's information, Ikaika actually weighed in at 280 at the Combine

 

[cowboysfan31]

dude, the only way to tell if a player can, or cannot, add more weight, is to have their DNA sample, so I go by the rule of thumb that a tall prospect, who's still growing by the way, can add more weight to his frame, it's not a definite, but it's very possible

again, when looking at scouting reports, tall players are listed as having the ability to add more weight, and remember BIll not wanting to take top-heavy players because he said they tend to add more weight as they mature?

btw, Haley probably stayed at 250 to keep his speed

Height has nothing to do with how much weight a player can pack on, its all about a player's bone structure and body structure. An OT and a WR can both be 6'5". Does that mean that the WR still has the frame to add more weight and go play OT if he wants to? Of course not. The WR is going to have a much more narrow frame than the OT, who is most likely going to be as wide as a city bus. You are right that it is all in the player's DNA as to who can pack on that mass and who can't, but you don't need a DNA sample to see which players can and can't. Any well-seasoned eye should be able to look at a player and tell what his body structure is, and what type of weight he'd be most effective at.