Haynesworth fails conditioning test

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http://blog.Commanders.com/2010/07/29/shanahan-on-haynesworth-we-re-going-to-get-him-in-shape/

Albert looks a lot leaner in this picture. He was a tub of good last year. Hopefully this works out. We'll see though what happens.

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Despite the optimistic words from defensive coordinator Jim Haslett yesterday, defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth wasn't at practice today, nor was he on the sidelines while the team was working. Instead he was in the facility, running on a treadmill alongside head strength and conditioning coach Ray Wright. But he did emerge afterward -- as you can see in the AP photo above -- and work with Haslett, defensive line coach Jacob Burney, and some upside-down trashcans on some of the defensive scheme and terminology.

That was the extent of his work, but not the extent of the discussion around him. Haynesworth was one of the main topics of head coach Mike Shanahan's post-practice press conference, and it started out with just about the simplest possible declaration:

"Albert did not pass his conditioning test."

Which went a long way toward clearing up the conflicting and confusing stories that were running around the perimeter of the practice field today. Shahanan continued, "Obviously, you'd like him to be in the type of shape that most of our players are in. The bottom line is that we're going to get him in shape. If he's going to be on our football team and he's going to play at the level we'd like him to play, then he's got to be in great football shape. Hopefully he'll get it done tomorrow, but it may take two or three days, it may take a week. I really don't know. His weight is fine. We've just got to get that cardio at a certain level to make sure he doesn't injure himself."

And that was all that was said about Albert Haynesworth.

No, just kidding. There was plenty more. Here, look, from the team's transcript:

On what was said when Albert Haynesworth was told he failed his conditioning test:
"I don't go through our conversations together. I think he knows that he's got to pass this test. He's got to work extremely hard to make sure that cardiovascular endurance is there, and when he does that, I feel very comfortable to put him on the field and let him compete for that position."

On if he and Albert Haynesworth exchanged heated words:
"Obviously when I say I'm not going to share the conversation I had, that means I'm not going to share the conversation I had. But there were no words. Albert was first class all the way. He understood where I was coming from and understands that he's got to be at a certain level to go out on the field and practice with the rest of that football team. If he gets there then he'll be with us and if he doesn't, he won't."

On the conditioning test given to Albert Haynesworth:
"It's a basic conditioning test. We get a good idea if a guy is in shape. We put a lot of our linemen through it, offense and defense. We do it through our conditioning drills throughout the OTAs. It's a very fair test. But more importantly, it keeps a guy from getting hurt. I don't want to put a guy out there that's not ready to go and all of the sudden, there's a setback for two weeks. It just doesn't make sense. Albert's got a lot of ability. We get him in great football shape, he can help us. But I'm not going to put him out there until he's in that kind of shape.

On reports that the players who attended the offseason program did not have to take that conditioning test:
"That's exactly right, and that's part of being in the offseason program. You don't have to take the test. There's a certain percentage of workouts that you've got to be here, and if you're in that percentage, you don't have to go through the conditioning test because we knew you're in good shape. You had done this test in a lot of different running drills along the way."

On if what it will take for Albert Haynesworth to get back on the field:
"You've got to pass the test. Will it happen? Is there going to be a setback tomorrow? Will he make it tomorrow? I can't tell you. The only thing I can tell you is that when he does pass the test, I feel very good that he can go out and compete at that position. I don't want to throw him out there and all of the sudden he gets hurt and it takes two weeks to recover."

On if any other players had attendance low enough to warrant taking the conditioning test:
"No, he was the only one. That was said very early. Jammal Brown was signed late, and he was here for a couple of weeks for conditioning and did very well in that test, by the way."

On if he would classify the conditioning test as tough for someone Albert Haynesworth's size:
"Well, I can say this: All of our other linemen passed the test."

Still more on Albert Haynesworth:
"I think we've covered Albert enough. I think he understands where I'm coming from. I don't know if it's going to happen tomorrow. I hope so. Could it take a week? It could. I really can't tell you. But when he does come back he's going to be in shape and hopefully he's ready to go. One time a day he's going to have that opportunity [to pass the test], and if not, we'll put him through the type of workout he had both in the morning and the afternoon."

And that was it about Albert Haynesworth.

Ha ha, no, got you again!

On if the defensive line could be formidable with both Albert Haynesworth and Ma'ake Kemoeatu:
"'Could be' is the key word. We've got to get it done. What we're going to do is work extremely hard. We've got some parameters that we expect from our players. We get everybody to play at the top of their ability, and we have a chance to be good. The key is people working extremely hard and doing the things we expect them to do and hopefully that'll get done."

Okay, that really WAS it with Haynesworth. I devoutly hope that he passes his conditioning test tomorrow and we can just focus on what he does on the field.
 

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Silly test, especially for a DT.

But a guy getting paid that much should be able to do something like that.

He's always been lazy, looks like him getting paid just made it worse.
 

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Yep, our very own Montrae Holland was traded because he fell into it.

So wasn't Clinton Portis and anybody else who looked at the Coach wrong.
 

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http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AgFD37TNRAKYWSY0iQh259A5nYcB?slug=lc-haynesworth072910

Commanders’ Haynesworth crossed the wrong guy

By Les Carpenter




ASHBURN, Va. – If Albert Haynesworth believed he could spend seven months challenging the icy will of Commanders coach Mike Shanahan then expect to be forgiven, he learned the futility of that hope halfway through a fitness test he would not pass on Thursday afternoon.

Few men in the NFL can carry a grudge like Shanahan, who harbors resentment behind a forced smile. Valued assistants and longtime colleagues tell of their relationships with the coach in hushed whispers.

Some have begged not to be interviewed. They value the coach’s knowledge, admire his obsession for detail. But they also fear him. Even long after they have stopped working with him their words quiver when his name is raised. Some say they fear they might say the wrong thing. They don’t want to cross him.

He is a man who does not forget.

And after Haynesworth used the winter, spring and half the summer to defy Shanahan, refusing to attend his minicamps and OTAs and conditioning sessions because he didn’t want to be a part of Shanahan’s new 3-4 defense, he finally came back to the Commanders this week.

Whatever leverage he had was exhausted, his attempts to embarrass his new coach into dealing him had failed. He had no choice but to return to practice.

With one caveat.



“There’s a conditioning test he’ll go through,” Shanahan said on Wednesday, the day before camp started. This was a Shanahan invention, officially administered to Haynesworth because he missed a percentage of the offseason workouts, unofficially because he tried to embarrass Shanahan.

Haynesworth should have understood right then he would not pass the test. Despite Shanahan’s insistence it was a “basic” fitness exam, the test was made to fail.

Shanahan refused to reveal the details of the test but it involved lots and lots of running in temperatures that pushed through the 90s in a sticky, swampy muck. Haynesworth, who supposedly shed 40 pounds in the offseason working out with a personal trainer, had no chance.

So he was banished to a solo workout on a treadmill on Thursday as the rest of the team practiced outside. Later, after practice was over and the fans were heading toward their cars, he was dragged out for a scramble around trash cans on a far-off field. When he was done he was forced to jog a gauntlet of fans, past the media and back into the safety of the locker room.

Predictably, he did not speak to anyone during his walk of shame.

There is a long list of former players and bosses who have endured Shanahan’s wrath, including Raiders owner Al Davis, who fired him, and once-acclaimed receiver Ashley Lelie who never played well for him in Denver. Then there was one-time Broncos guard Montrae Holland, who rewarded Shanahan for a contract extension by showing up 20 pounds overweight at the start of training camp in 2008.

Like Haynesworth, he was quickly banished from practice, forced through a cocktail of punishments including the treadmill, elliptical machine and stairmaster. When he was done, he had to run outside just like Haynesworth. After a few days he was allowed to return to only one of the team’s two daily practices. A starter the previous season, Holland could only play for the scout team during that workout. Later in the day, he was forced to run alone on an empty field.

His exile lasted two weeks. He lost his job and not long after he was traded to the Cowboys.

Late Thursday afternoon, Shanahan seemed to revel in his revenge over Haynesworth. He smiled as he stepped onto an interview stage.

“I bet I can anticipate the first question,” he said.

When that first question was, of course, about Haynesworth, he laughed.

Haynesworth will have to take the test again on Friday, he said. And if he doesn’t pass it – a likely possibility given Thursday’s result – he’ll be shipped off to the treadmill once more.

“It may take two or three days or it might take a week,” Shanahan said.

In the days before he returned to the Commanders, Haynesworth had softened his stance against the team, texting with some of the coaches, trying to catch up on the nuances of a new defense installed in the spring. He expressed a willingness to work and the sense among the assistant coaches was one of optimism.

<Snippage>

Yet when asked to adhere to his new coach’s plan for him, Haynesworth refused, choosing to scorch the earth.

And so on Thursday he ran.

And ran.
And ran.

And became just another man who challenged Mike Shanahan and lost.

More at the above link.
 

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How priceless would it be to see Albert Haynesworth give a press conference in his driveway while doing sit-ups!:laugh2:

Even though I am cheap, I may even pay money to see that.

I think Al Davis should be working the phone with Shanahan on a trade for Haynesworth. The price is cheap now. He may be available for a 3rd rounder which would be a steal.
 

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ninja;3475797 said:
How priceless would it be to see Albert Haynesworth give a press conference in his driveway while doing sit-ups!:laugh2:

Even though I am cheap, I may even pay money to see that.

I think Al Davis should be working the phone with Shanahan on a trade for Haynesworth. The price is cheap now. He may be available for a 3rd rounder which would be a steal.

The Titans were offering a 3rd back in April before the draft. That didn't happen.

At this point it will take a 1st or else he stays in DC and Shanahan keeps running him into the ground
 

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I just heard that he failed today as well. Coach Shanny is not someone to mess around with I guess! :laugh2:
 

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Joe Rod;3475808 said:
I just heard that he failed today as well. Coach Shanny is not someone to mess around with I guess! :laugh2:
Nevermind, just read the article

I imagine at this point he will "fail" for a week. Shanahan is going to break Albert down
 

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This is priceless. Failed again today. What a loser....perfect fit in that POS organization.
 

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As much as i hate the Skins you got to love what Shannahan is doing, he's basically saying this is what you get if you go full ****** on my team in the offseason.

Bet you after a week of fat Albert torture, players will think twice before they consider whining and skipping OTAs :lmao:
 

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Yep, he did.

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ASHBURN, Va. -- Early Friday morning, the cones were lined up 25 yards apart on the field for Albert Haynesworth's conditioning test. He needed to complete the first part in 70 seconds or less to have a chance to pass.

He clocked 71.

ESPN NFL insider Chris Mortensen says Albert Haynesworth failed his conditioning test for the second day in a row. Mortensen talks about how coach Mike Shanahan is handling the situation.

Another failed effort. Once again, the two-time All-Pro defensive tackle was not allowed to participate in practice at Washington Commanders training camp.

And so the Haynesworth saga drags on. By now, some coaches or organizations would have worked out some sort of a behind-the-scenes compromise in the name of team harmony and good publicity, especially with one measly second hanging in the balance. Not Mike Shanahan. The rules are the rules are the rules for the Commanders' new coach, no matter who the player is.

"Either you play by the rules, you're gone or you'll get fined, one of the two," fullback Mike Sellers said. "He's a no-nonsense guy. A lot of the vets around here who are pretty much old-school guys appreciate it."

Perhaps Haynesworth didn't see it coming, especially after spending last season under laid-back, player-friendly coach Jim Zorn. Or perhaps he thought by now he'd be playing for another team. Or perhaps he'd heard stories about the "star treatment" given to Commanders players such as Michael Westbrook, Bruce Smith and Clinton Portis over the years.

Either way, Haynesworth has learned the hard way that going toe to toe with Shanahan is not a good idea: Shanahan is going to win.

"He wants to come in and put a lot of discipline in this thing," defensive end Phillip Daniels said. "Discipline is the key."

So, for Haynesworth, the second day of training camp was much like the first. After failing the test, he was sent inside to do treadmill and agility work while the rest of the team practiced. After practice, Haynesworth emerged in a long-sleeved gray T-shirt and burgundy shorts and spent about 15 minutes walking through some plays with defensive coordinator Jim Haslett in order to learn the playbook.

A few fans yelled support as Haynesworth walked back to the building. He paused to sign a few autographs but did not speak to reporters.

The Commanders, however, took a different approach in explaining the whole thing. Shanahan had previously declined to reveal the details of Haynesworth's conditioning test, but on Friday the team sent out strength and conditioning coach Ray Wright to give a full breakdown.

Haynesworth, explained Wright, was the only player required to take the test because he was the only player not to attend 50 percent of the team's offseason workouts. However, the players did run the same drill as part of those workouts in the spring.

The test consists of 300 yards of sprints -- called a "shuttle" -- back and forth 25 yards at a time. It has to be run twice, with only a 3½-minute break in between. The short break demonstrates that the player can recover quickly. Linemen have to run the first shuttle in 70 seconds, the second one in 73 seconds.

Haynesworth clocked 70 seconds on the first shuttle when he tried to pass the test on Friday -- but he then violated the test's rules by taking an extended potty break.

"He had to use the restroom," Wright said. "You get 3½ minutes. He was gone close to 10."

So Haynesworth had to start all over again and failed.

On Friday, his first shuttle took 71 seconds, so there was no need to run the second one. He'll try again Saturday.

"He's learning how to run it," Wright said. "There's a pace you have to have, a certain tempo each 25 yards, and I expect him to pass it pretty soon."

Shanahan called the drill a "very minimal test" that most of his players could do "in their sleep." He said he is confident Haynesworth will eventually pass.

"I don't want to put a guy out there before he's ready, before I know he's in shape," Shanahan said. "I know it's the best thing for him. He may not know that at this time, but I can guarantee you, the big linemen that I've been with, the guys that are in the trenches, they still need to be in shape."

Last year, Haynesworth would often take a knee at the ends of plays and would have to leave the game. He hasn't played 16 games in a regular season since he was a rookie in 2002, but he has noticeably slimmed down this year.

Haynesworth, entering the second year of a seven-year, $100 million contract, stayed away from the team's offseason program because he wanted to work with his own trainer and because he is unhappy with the switch to a 3-4 defense. He was hoping the Commanders would trade him rather than make him report to camp.

On Friday, Shanahan was clearly getting tired of having the Haynesworth matter dominate the opening days of camp. The coach wants to move on to other things.

"The next time we talk about this," Shanahan told reporters, "is when he's practicing with us."

Another rule -- and one that will no doubt be followed.
 

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I'm not sure why Haynesworth would even try to pass it. He's guaranteed the money. I'd like to think if I was a player, I wouldn't put myself in this position. But if I was Haynesworth, I'd get a strong contracts attorney to comb thru my contract details and see what I need to do to get the guaranteed money, which probably isn't much. If that's the case, I'd tell Haynesworth to walk the conditioning drills and force Shanny's hand to either let you practice or trade you or release you.

I think Shanahan is doing the right thing...although I'd watch it in the heat for fear of death (although I highly doubt it would happen with that drill without pads)...but, the question in all of this is if Haynesworth tell Shanny to screw on the drills, what do they do when it's determined that they really need Haynesworth?

I think it may come down to a game of chicken and IMO, I think Haynesworth holds all of the cards with that big contract.






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Yakuza Rich;3476286 said:
I think it may come down to a game of chicken and IMO, I think Haynesworth holds all of the cards with that big contract.

Haynesworth has one objective-protecting his money

With the amount of law suits he has been facing and the fact that he has burnt through quite a bit of money, he'll do whatever he has to do to make sure the Commanders don't come after 1 dime they paid him.

His "leverage" ended the first day of TC
 

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SkinsHokieFan;3476368 said:
Haynesworth has one objective-protecting his money

With the amount of law suits he has been facing and the fact that he has burnt through quite a bit of money, he'll do whatever he has to do to make sure the Commanders don't come after 1 dime they paid him.

His "leverage" ended the first day of TC

Nay Mike is biting off more then he can chew this time.

Haynesworth still has all the leverage. His contract is so huge that the Skins only recourse is to cut him while there is no cap if Mike has him in his permanent dog house.

Haynesworth could just keep doing the test and failing and the team can not cut him to recoup there money. If Mike Shanahan is trying to play a game of chicken he will lose. The way Mike is handling this it has some of the Commanders players starting to come out in defense of Haynesworth now.

If I were Albert's agent I would tell him to fake a hamstring pull next time out and watch Mike blow a gasket! Remember this is not the physical to determine if he can play football that all players have to go through it is Mike's own personal test that he wants him to past in order for him to practice.

Reports are not all Commanders players even had to take the same conditioning test.
 

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Yakuza Rich;3476286 said:
I'm not sure why Haynesworth would even try to pass it. He's guaranteed the money. I'd like to think if I was a player, I wouldn't put myself in this position. But if I was Haynesworth, I'd get a strong contracts attorney to comb thru my contract details and see what I need to do to get the guaranteed money, which probably isn't much. If that's the case, I'd tell Haynesworth to walk the conditioning drills and force Shanny's hand to either let you practice or trade you or release you.

I think Shanahan is doing the right thing...although I'd watch it in the heat for fear of death (although I highly doubt it would happen with that drill without pads)...but, the question in all of this is if Haynesworth tell Shanny to screw on the drills, what do they do when it's determined that they really need Haynesworth?

I think it may come down to a game of chicken and IMO, I think Haynesworth holds all of the cards with that big contract.






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That wouldn't be smart with Bruce Allen as the GM. He recouped bonus money from Keenan McCardell and Jake Plummer for failing to perform to the terms in their contract, so there is a precedent there. The odds are that they will do everything that they can to get him to walk out or underperform so that they can try and take action against him.

If Haynesworth comes to practice and just loafs around, then the Redkins can argue that he is not performing under the terms of his contract. Maybe they win, maybe they don't, but that is a huge risk and even more dumb than normal for Haynesworth considering he could forfeit roughly six million dollars minimum if an arbitrator sees things the Commanders way (25% of the bonus they paid him a few months ago and 25% of the portion of his original bonus allocated to this years Cap (5 Million)).

This is the same dude that currently has roughly four different lawsuits out there against him (Bank Loan for over 2 mil, Child support from his ex-wife, Paternity suit from a stripper and an auto-accident that left a guy needing a hip replacement). Albert is going to need every penny of that money to take care of his other issues.
 

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Joe Rod;3477267 said:
That wouldn't be smart with Bruce Allen as the GM. He recouped bonus money from Keenan McCardell and Jake Plummer for failing to perform to the terms in their contract, so there is a precedent there. The odds are that they will do everything that they can to get him to walk out or underperform so that they can try and take action against him.

If Haynesworth comes to practice and just loafs around, then the Redkins can argue that he is not performing under the terms of his contract. Maybe they win, maybe they don't, but that is a huge risk and even more dumb than normal for Haynesworth considering he could forfeit roughly six million dollars minimum if an arbitrator sees things the Commanders way (25% of the bonus they paid him a few months ago and 25% of the portion of his original bonus allocated to this years Cap (5 Million)).

This is the same dude that currently has roughly four different lawsuits out there against him (Bank Loan for over 2 mil, Child support from his ex-wife, Paternity suit from a stripper and an auto-accident that left a guy needing a hip replacement). Albert is going to need every penny of that money to take care of his other issues.

Your kidding right? Haynesworth is guaranteed 41 million dollars. Dude got 21 million in April and 5 million just to sign the deal. I'm sure he could write a check for about 6 million and make all those problems disappear.

It was easy to get money back from Plummer after he was traded for he received a roster bonus then decided not to play that was a no brainer. I'm not sure but I think McCardell retirement may of had something to do with it as well.

Unless there is some language in Alberts contract about passing a conditioning test ( not to be confused with a physical ) then all he needs to do is go through the motions enough so as not to be considered insubordinate. I would pull a hamstring or catch a cramp half way through it a couple times and flat out make sure I do not pass the test ever! If Mikey wants to play games he would lose.

I don't agree with how Hayensworth has handled this whole thing but the team is not all innocent in this, fact is the Commanders told him everything he wanted to hear to get him to sign with them. Then they decided change everything that made the team attractive to him if the first place.
 

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Apluz;3477290 said:
Your kidding right? Haynesworth is guaranteed 41 million dollars. Dude got 21 million in April and 5 million just to sign the deal. I'm sure he could write a check for about 6 million and make all those problems disappear.

It was easy to get money back from Plummer after he was traded for he received a roster bonus then decided not to play that was a no brainer. I'm not sure but I think McCardell retirement may of had something to do with it as well.

Unless there is some language in Alberts contract about passing a conditioning test ( not to be confused with a physical ) then all he needs to do is go through the motions enough so as not to be considered insubordinate. I would pull a hamstring or catch a cramp half way through it a couple times and flat out make sure I do not pass the test ever! If Mikey wants to play games he would lose.

I don't agree with how Hayensworth has handled this whole thing but the team is not all innocent in this, fact is the Commanders told him everything he wanted to hear to get him to sign with them. Then they decided change everything that made the team attractive to him if the first place.

There's a major difference between going through the motions enough so that you are not insubordinate and "walking" as the first poster put it. Your point is steering way off from the first post I responded to.

I'm not sure you could say that I am kidding while in the same sentence flaunting the known fact that he is guaranteed such a high figure. You don't think that his ex-wife and his baby-momma know about his contract as well???? Child support for his kids alone will surpass your 6 million dollar figure over the next eighteen years. You can't just write a check and make your kids "go away". Child support is the tip of the iceberg with kids. When they want a car, college, wedding, birthday, etc., they are going to come to "dad" who they know made 41 million guaranteed.

One additional newsflash. Mikey is already playing games. He failed Haynesworth yesterday for being 1 second behind the "passing time" when he could have easily let him slide. Shannahan wants the team to see who runs the show and he could care less if Albert comes along for the ride. He wasn't the one that gave Albert the contract.
 

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ninja;3475797 said:
How priceless would it be to see Albert Haynesworth give a press conference in his driveway while doing sit-ups!:laugh2:

Even though I am cheap, I may even pay money to see that.

I think Al Davis should be working the phone with Shanahan on a trade for Haynesworth. The price is cheap now. He may be available for a 3rd rounder which would be a steal.

Do you really think he could do situps? :laugh1:
 
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