Haynesworth fails conditioning test

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Joe Rod;3477331 said:
There's a major difference between going through the motions enough so that you are not insubordinate and "walking" as the first poster put it. Your point is steering way off from the first post I responded to.

I thought the difference was obvious. It's not steering way off it's called giving a different point of view. Walking would not quite cut it. But how are you going to prove if he is giving less then 100% effor or faking injury?

Joe Rod;3477331 said:
I'm not sure you could say that I am kidding while in the same sentence flaunting the known fact that he is guaranteed such a high figure. You don't think that his ex-wife and his baby-momma know about his contract as well???? Child support for his kids alone will surpass your 6 million dollar figure over the next eighteen years. You can't just write a check and make your kids "go away". Child support is the tip of the iceberg with kids. When they want a car, college, wedding, birthday, etc., they are going to come to "dad" who they know made 41 million guaranteed.

In your post you made it seem that he is hurting for money there are 26 million reasons that suggest he is not... and just because he has law suits dose not mean he is hurting. The thing with his Ex was for him to pay what was already mandated for her and his kids by her. Albert was probably late with a payment and she went nuts. That is not a big deal.

You mentioned a car accident in an effort to further illustrate that Albert is hurting for money. But why do you think people pay for auto insurance? Legally the maximum punishment is six months in jail and a $500 fine on the reckless driving charge and 30 days in jail and a $50 fine for the other charge.

The women suing for paternity was not married to Haynesworth so there is no alimony involved. Alimony makes more of a dent in a pay check of a rich man then child support. Again we are talking child support so she is held financially culpable as well don't forget that. Haynesworth could set up a trust account for like a million (likely a lot less) for the kid and not many judges would turn that down. And lets not forget paternity test come back Murry style "You are not the father".

Joe Rod;3477331 said:
One additional newsflash. Mikey is already playing games. He failed Haynesworth yesterday for being 1 second behind the "passing time" when he could have easily let him slide. Shannahan wants the team to see who runs the show and he could care less if Albert comes along for the ride. He wasn't the one that gave Albert the contract.

This is why I suggest that Albert could play games too. Not that he will but he could.

What Mike is doing just might blow up in his face... If Albert pushes back! Will be fun to watch it all play out in Commander land!
 

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Apluz;3477209 said:
Nay Mike is biting off more then he can chew this time.

Haynesworth still has all the leverage. His contract is so huge that the Skins only recourse is to cut him while there is no cap if Mike has him in his permanent dog house.

Haynesworth could just keep doing the test and failing and the team can not cut him to recoup there money. If Mike Shanahan is trying to play a game of chicken he will lose. The way Mike is handling this it has some of the Commanders players starting to come out in defense of Haynesworth now.

If I were Albert's agent I would tell him to fake a hamstring pull next time out and watch Mike blow a gasket! Remember this is not the physical to determine if he can play football that all players have to go through it is Mike's own personal test that he wants him to past in order for him to practice.

Reports are not all Commanders players even had to take the same conditioning test.

So many places you are wrong

Lets check with Jeff Fisher to see how incorrect you are

http://content.usatoday.com/communi...-haynesworth-Commanders-jeff-fisher-titans-/1

There likely are some suspicions that the "condtioning test" the Washington Commanders are administering with Albert Haynesworth is punitive, meant to single out the $100 million man for missing offseason workouts with the team.But Tennessee Titans coach Jeff Fisher was on the Dan Patrick Show today, explaining the typical tests teams use, and it appears nothing is out of the ordinary for Haynesworth in Washington. Said Fisher:
"Different clubs require different things when players report. We're doing the same thing that the Commanders do, based on some of the reports I read. The players come in, and they'll be required to run a 300-yard shuttle from the goal line to the 25-yard line and back. You do that six times, and you have a time in which you have to finish it, based on positions.
"For example, the skill guys will be right around 60 or 65 seconds. The bigger and the heavier they get, the more time you have to finish it. Then you have a rest and recovery period, and then you go out and you do it again. That particular test is something we've been doing for years. We have a baseline. The players are ready for it. They come in and it's not a big deal."

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More From Jeff Fisher

(on whether they do a third set of shuttle runs)
No, we just do two and what we do is if you’ve had a minimum number of offseason workouts then the test is modified. Those that have been here for at least 80 percent of the offseason workouts, it’s a 300 yard shuttle, they will run 50 yard increments rather than 25 yard increments so it’s a little bit easier. The 25 yard 300 yard shuttle is an appropriate test to find out what kind of shape you’re in.


http://www.titansonline.com/news/art...f-10a5fd78f67e

And from Matt Bowen

From Matt Bowen- former player:

They haven’t changed much. When I played it was a 300-yard shuttle. In different combinations (some require six 50-yard sprints and others require twelve 25-yard sprints), they add up to 300 total yards. Think of old-school gassers. Run, touch the line, and come back — over and over until you have run a total of 300 yards. Rest in between sets and get back on the line. The times are broken down into three position groups: skill (WR, DB, RB), semi-skill (LB, TE, QB) and linemen (OL, DL). Each group has a time they have to complete each set in.

In Green Bay under Mike Sherman, you ran three of them — with about a two minute rest in between. They are nasty. For the skill guys, the time limit was under 48 seconds. We ran the 300-yard shuttle — made up of six 50-yard sprints — took that small rest and got ready to do it again. By the end, your legs feel like Jell-O.

But the best is this:

If you play defense for Gregg Williams, his test is on the day of the first practice — in pads. Forty up-downs in full gear right after the team stretch (which are filmed and watched in meetings). Not fun in the Virginia heat and I can’t even imagine what it is like to do 40-up downs in pads down in New Orleans right now. And, don’t forget that you have a full two-hour practice to get through after you pass his test. By the time you get to 7-on-7 drills, your body is spent.

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So lets see, the Titans do this test every year. Guess where Albert played before coming to DC? Under Fisher, doing the same damn test.

And it looks like the Titans cut you some slack if you showed up for the offseason also.

And the Commanders old DC, Gregg Williams, under whom many of these guys on defense played (besides D-Hall who is the only knucklehead that could be in AH's corner) had the D do a test from hell. 40 updowns in full pads up here in July is not fun at all.

Albert has 0 leverage. He has burnt through his money, and clearly this is a pretty common practice amongst NFL teams.

Albert can run the test until he passes and participate and raise his trade value, or simply quit and the Commanders will go after his money and kill his career.

Its Albert's choice. But he isn't the one in charge here
 

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This situation and your entire franchise is embarrassing. Complete CIRCUS ACT!!!
 

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Rampage;3477472 said:
so did he pass it today or is he 0 for 3?

Didn't attempt today. Watched practice but didn't participate in drills.

Looks like he will go again tomorrow
 

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SkinsHokieFan;3477490 said:
Didn't attempt today. Watched practice but didn't participate in drills.

Looks like he will go again tomorrow
so he didn't even try it? That can't go over well with dictator Shanahahanan
 

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Apluz;3477209 said:
Nay Mike is biting off more then he can chew this time.

Haynesworth could just keep doing the test and failing and the team can not cut him to recoup there money. If Mike Shanahan is trying to play a game of chicken he will lose. The way Mike is handling this it has some of the Commanders players starting to come out in defense of Haynesworth now.

If I were Albert's agent I would tell him to fake a hamstring pull next time out and watch Mike blow a gasket! Remember this is not the physical to determine if he can play football that all players have to go through it is Mike's own personal test that he wants him to past in order for him to practice.

Reports are not all Commanders players even had to take the same conditioning test.

Its a conditioning test. None of the other players decided they would skip the entire offseason and let their teammates down and act like a baby. So to say that its unfair cuz none of the other guys had to take it is ridiculous. You wana skip the entire offseason and cry? Well i think Mike is doing exactly what he should, showing that he won't put up with that crybaby attitude and making him prove that he's in as good of football shape as everyone else.

Honestly i don't think Shanahan gives any crap about the money or whatever. Its about the team, its about being a family, its about football. If Haynesworth wants to keep crying let him do it, if he finally wants to suck it up, pass the test and prove that he's taking the first step to being a good teammate again then Shanahan will have done his job. He cares about the team and winning. That's all, and he's doing nothing wrong.

I'll tell you for sure that if Albert was my teammate it would take a hell of alot more than one conditioning test for me to trust him or have any kind of a bond with him ever again. If Albert can't even get past step one to becoming one of the guys again then that's pretty sorry.
 

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I think Shanahan is comfortable letting this take its natural course whether it takes 2 days, 2 weeks, 2 months, or 2 years. If all Haynesworth cares about is the money and not working hard to get on the field, then there's no reason to let him practice or play. So taking a micro view of Haynesworth alone, the right move is to keep him out until he passes.

Looking a the macro view, this is still the right move. The other players know that if there is a rule, it can't be broken no matter how big their name or contract. It's good for the team as a whole.
 

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Mansta54;3477473 said:
This situation and your entire franchise is embarrassing. Complete CIRCUS ACT!!!
:lmao2: :lmao: ...is it unlike anything we have seen in the entire history of that team?...what a joke
 

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Apluz;3477377 said:
I thought the difference was obvious. It's not steering way off it's called giving a different point of view. Walking would not quite cut it. But how are you going to prove if he is giving less then 100% effor or faking injury?

So did I, which is why I am still baffled on why you said apples when the discussion was oranges. I never once said that he couldn't cut corners and not give it 100%. To simplify: Walking is bad, doing just enough to get by is good.

Apluz;3477377 said:
In your post you made it seem that he is hurting for money there are 26 million reasons that suggest he is not... and just because he has law suits dose not mean he is hurting. The thing with his Ex was for him to pay what was already mandated for her and his kids by her. Albert was probably late with a payment and she went nuts. That is not a big deal.

I never said he was hurting for money, but losing almost 15% of your overall guaranteed contract will indeed hurt him. Make no mistake, 6 million is a lot of money, even to a guy like Haynesworth and he could indeed use that cash to help settle his upcoming debts. Haynesworth with 6 million is much better off than Haynesworth minus that 6 million.

Apluz;3477377 said:
You mentioned a car accident in an effort to further illustrate that Albert is hurting for money. But why do you think people pay for auto insurance? Legally the maximum punishment is six months in jail and a $500 fine on the reckless driving charge and 30 days in jail and a $50 fine for the other charge.

I never mentioned criminal ramifications at all. He is being sued by someone in civil court for 7.5 million dollars for driving his ferrari like a maniac. Auto insurance policies have limits and they are normally quite low compared to what Haynesworth has in the bank. A one million dollar payout from an auto-insurance policy is literally unheard of with a privatly insured driver, but let's just say that Hayneworth has that. That still eaves him on the hook for 6.5 million if the guy wins the case.

Once again, six million dollars in Albert's pocket is better than in Dan Snyder's account because it will help Albert settle issues just like these. Will he be better off with the six mil in his wallet because it will help keep his financial portfolio better off after his legal matters are said and done? Yes, he will.

Apluz;3477377 said:
The women suing for paternity was not married to Haynesworth so there is no alimony involved. Alimony makes more of a dent in a pay check of a rich man then child support. Again we are talking child support so she is held financially culpable as well don't forget that. Haynesworth could set up a trust account for like a million (likely a lot less) for the kid and not many judges would turn that down. And lets not forget paternity test come back Murry style "You are not the father"..

Why are you just throwing stuff into the topic as if I posted it? This seems to be a recurring habit. I never mentioned alimony. Let's visit what I did mention; Child Support. Child support is pretty simplified in most states in that it is based on net income for a person with no consideration for living expenses. Let's simplify by saying that both kids live in Tennessee (one does). Those two kids can cost him 32% of his net income. That is waaaaaaaay more than 1 million dollars. Here is an expert from Tenn law:

Percentage of Net Income. After determining the net income of the obligor, that amount is to be rounded up to the next dollar. That amount is then multiplied by the percentage below that corresponds to the number of children for whom support is being set in the instant case. The percentages are:

No. of Children --- % of Income
1 --- 21%
2 --- 32%
3 --- 41%
4 --- 46%
5 or more --- 50%

For the record, the baby-mama is suing for $10 million and she will walk away. That is a large amount of his cash either way and much more than the 1 million you are suggesting.

Apluz;3477377 said:
This is why I suggest that Albert could play games too. Not that he will but he could.

What Mike is doing just might blow up in his face... If Albert pushes back! Will be fun to watch it all play out in Commander land!

This won't blow up in Shanny's face because he was not the fool that signed Haynesworth to that contract. The guy that signed him already had it blow up in his face this past off-season. Shanny is right in showing the other players that he runs the show, not Haynesworth. He should run his sorry rump like he's never been run before.
 

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SkinsHokieFan;3477449 said:
So many places you are wrong

Lets check with Jeff Fisher to see how incorrect you are

Never argued the point that Mike is requiring him to do the conditioning test. Jimmy use to require his players do similar test as well.

Unless wording about him passing a conditioning test is in his contract the Commanders will not be able to recoup any cash. If he passed a physical and team doctors said he is able to play then It's up to the coaches if he plays or not.
 

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Joe Rod;3477618 said:
So did I, which is why I am still baffled on why you said apples when the discussion was oranges. I never once said that he couldn't cut corners and not give it 100%. To simplify: Walking is bad, doing just enough to get by is good.

Apples and Oranges? Please not that simple.

I said what might work because I though what the original poster said "walking" would not. The fact that we are still talking about it when we seem to agree on that point is on you... If you agreed with the point I made then you could of just said so from the start or not comment on it at all.


Joe Rod;3477618 said:
I never said he was hurting for money, but losing almost 15% of your overall guaranteed contract will indeed hurt him.

You implied it would hurt him and now you are saying it will so I took what you were saying as you obviously meant it. What is the point your trying to make here?

Joe Rod;3477618 said:
Make no mistake, 6 million is a lot of money, even to a guy like Haynesworth and he could indeed use that cash to help settle his upcoming debts. Haynesworth with 6 million is much better off than Haynesworth minus that 6 million.

I agree 6 million is a lot of cash... it's just not enough to put Hanysworth in finical ruin like you seem to be suggesting.

Joe Rod;3477618 said:
I never mentioned criminal ramifications at all. He is being sued by someone in civil court for 7.5 million dollars for driving his ferrari like a maniac. Auto insurance policies have limits and they are normally quite low compared to what Haynesworth has in the bank. A one million dollar payout from an auto-insurance policy is literally unheard of with a privatly insured driver, but let's just say that Hayneworth has that. That still eaves him on the hook for 6.5 million if the guy wins the case.

Good grief... hold a sec and lets get this straight. You can't dictate what is brought up in a conversation and what is not.

The criminal case has a dollar amount attach to it as well. The civil case needs to be heard Jon Perry has not won a thing yet. He could win more then he is asking for, less then he is asking for or nothing at all. This is the type of thing that usually gets settled out of court for a lot less then what is being asked for instead of being dragged out over a long period of time. From what I have read the dude needs money asap so I hope he gets a good deal.

Joe Rod;3477618 said:
Why are you just throwing stuff into the topic as if I posted it? This seems to be a recurring habit. I never mentioned alimony.

Remember what I said in my last reply? However you mentioned his Ex wife and I was saying how alimony can dent a pay check more then child support, although it is reported that his Ex didn't get a lump sum or alimony.

Joe Rod;3477618 said:
Let's visit what I did mention; Child Support. Child support is pretty simplified in most states in that it is based on net income for a person with no consideration for living expenses. Let's simplify by saying that both kids live in Tennessee (one does). Those two kids can cost him 32% of his net income. That is waaaaaaaay more than 1 million dollars. Here is an expert from Tenn law:

I speak from experience on this one, in every state that I know of they based support on income, expenses and the needs of the children as a guild line for a support order. The parrents could come to an aggrement before the courts get invoulved as well. Click on this link for an example Child Support Calculation Information. Judges have a lot of leeway in this and most would be willing to except a substantial trust in the kids name.

Not to mention that Hanysworth could file for joint custody win and potentially not have to pay any support.


Joe Rod;3477618 said:
For the record, the baby-mama is suing for $10 million and she will walk away. That is a large amount of his cash either way and much more than the 1 million you are suggesting.

Don't get it twisted she could be suing for 50 million dollars it dose not mean she will win anything close to what she is asking for.

You might be surprised at how many gold digging strippers that try to trap a Richy end up with nothing close to what they though they were going to nab off a fella.... um for the kid. And this one could still end up Murry style "You are not the father".

Joe Rod;3477618 said:
This won't blow up in Shanny's face because he was not the fool that signed Haynesworth to that contract. The guy that signed him already had it blow up in his face this past off-season.

It may not blow up in his face but it could. And this argument has no merit you know that right? As long as Haynesworth is on the team Coach has to deal with him and his contract. Who signed him to the deal is irrelevant.

Joe Rod;3477618 said:
Shanny is right in showing the other players that he runs the show, not Haynesworth. He should run his sorry rump like he's never been run before.

Lol seems Haynesworth is no dummy. Knee swelling today a hammy tommorow bla bla bla... Pass me the popcorn will ya!
 

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I can't help but laugh cause this guy has always been a joke and will always be a joke.

If people didn't learn from his first few years in the league that he only shows up to play hard when a contract is up to be signed and then the rest of the time is just a lazy piece of crap then I don't know who you've been watching.

The guy is lazy, always has been and always will be, and was never worth the amount of money they wasted bringing him in.

But I'm sure glad it was the Commanders who did waste the money. The only thing that could have been better is if the Eagles had been the ones wasting their money.
 

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Apluz;3477870 said:
Apples and Oranges? Please not that simple.

I said what might work because I though what the original poster said "walking" would not. The fact that we are still talking about it when we seem to agree on that point is on you... If you agreed with the point I made then you could of just said so from the start or not comment on it at all.

I was the original poster. I reread your post and I still don't feel that it reads the way you say it does, but if this is how you intended it to be, then okay, I'm good.

Apluz;3477870 said:
You implied it would hurt him and now you are saying it will so I took what you were saying as you obviously meant it. What is the point your trying to make here?

One that I'm never going to be able to get across to you apparantly. It was fun trying, though.

Apluz;3477870 said:
I agree 6 million is a lot of cash... it's just not enough to put Hanysworth in finical ruin like you seem to be suggesting.


I don't know if you maybe watched too much Star Wars and hung out at comic-con enough to think that this actually works, but it doesn't.

Apluz;3477870 said:
Good grief... hold a sec and lets get this straight. You can't dictate what is brought up in a conversation and what is not.

Well, technically I can since I can hit the ignore button on anyone I choose. Listen, I could care less about what you introduce to this forum, I just don't want to be attached to it if I did not imply it. That is all.

Apluz;3477870 said:
The criminal case has a dollar amount attach to it as well. The civil case needs to be heard Jon Perry has not won a thing yet. He could win more then he is asking for, less then he is asking for or nothing at all. This is the type of thing that usually gets settled out of court for a lot less then what is being asked for instead of being dragged out over a long period of time. From what I have read the dude needs money asap so I hope he gets a good deal.

Okay, thanks?

Apluz;3477870 said:
Remember what I said in my last reply? However you mentioned his Ex wife and I was saying how alimony can dent a pay check more then child support, although it is reported that his Ex didn't get a lump sum or alimony.

So, in summary: My mentioning his ex-wife suing for child support somehow prompted you to throw in spousal support where you could argue with yourself about how his ex is not entitled? Okay, got it. Makes perfect sense now that you put it that way.

Apluz;3477870 said:
I speak from experience on this one, in every state that I know of they based support on income, expenses and the needs of the children as a guild line for a support order. The parrents could come to an aggrement before the courts get invoulved as well. Click on this link for an example Child Support Calculation Information. Judges have a lot of leeway in this and most would be willing to except a substantial trust in the kids name.

Not to mention that Hanysworth could file for joint custody win and potentially not have to pay any support.


Haynesworth could certainly go for joint custody if he wanted to get more involved in his children's lives. But, given Haynesworth's current Financial situation, no judge is going to rule for a one million dollar trust and no mother of his children will agree to it knowing how much Haynesworth makes. Tennesse would not consider expenses unless they were considered "extraordinary" like a Medical situation.

Apluz;3477870 said:
Don't get it twisted she could be suing for 50 million dollars it dose not mean she will win anything close to what she is asking for.

You might be surprised at how many gold digging strippers that try to trap a Richy end up with nothing close to what they though they were going to nab off a fella.... um for the kid. And this one could still end up Murry style "You are not the father".


For all you know, I may be a Gold Digging Stripper, so I might be well versed on the topic. Big difference in not getting 50 million and settling for one million like you were suggesting. He should pay what is owed based on the law if the baby is his.

Apluz;3477870 said:
It may not blow up in his face but it could. And this argument has no merit you know that right? As long as Haynesworth is on the team Coach has to deal with him and his contract. Who signed him to the deal is irrelevant.

I never said he did not have to deal with Haynesworth or his contract but I will certainly support your argument about it if you would like.

Apluz;3477870 said:
Lol seems Haynesworth is no dummy. Knee swelling today a hammy tommorow bla bla bla... Pass me the popcorn will ya!

Believe me, I already ate it while reading your posts.
 

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SkinsHokieFan;3477490 said:
Didn't attempt today. Watched practice but didn't participate in drills.

Looks like he will go again tomorrow

He didn't take the test today because he has a SWOLLEN KNEE. Tell the entire story....:rolleyes:
 

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Joe Rod;3478161 said:
One that I'm never going to be able to get across to you apparantly. It was fun trying, though.

That's because up until your last post you could argue that you never actually said what you meant. You had no point to make you were just tossing a Frisbee around blindly.

I claimed you were implying that Haynesworth is hurting financially you choose to argue that obvious point by stating you never actually said that ( which was true ) in the same sentence you admit that is how you felt... .... .... Ok keep the popcorn you got any more of that stuff you were maybe smoking before the munchies set in?

Joe Rod;3478161 said:
Well, technically I can since I can hit the ignore button on anyone I choose. Listen, I could care less about what you introduce to this forum, I just don't want to be attached to it if I did not imply it. That is all.

Playing ostrich and burying your head in the sand gives you control over what you see not over what is said. If a tree falls in the forest and nobody is.... ahh never mind.

Joe Rod;3478161 said:
For all you know, I may be a Gold Digging Stripper, so I might be well versed on the topic. Big difference in not getting 50 million and settling for one million like you were suggesting. He should pay what is owed based on the law if the baby is his.

The stripper suing Albert likely is gold digging. Albert was stupid enough to put himself in this situation so it would serve him right if she was awarded 10 million. But it never works like that if he is the father then he will likely just get a court order for support. LOL 10 million dollar babies go find you a richy Joe Rod get paid!

Joe Rod;3478161 said:
I never said he did not have to deal with Haynesworth or his contract but I will certainly support your argument about it if you would like.

Not again with the I never said that nonsense. Any reasonable person would take that what you meant by the statement below is you felt because Shanny was not the fool who signed Albert to his contract he was some how exempted from the situation (that he is partly instigating) blowing up in his face.

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Originally Posted by Joe Rod
This won't blow up in Shanny's face because he was not the fool that signed Haynesworth to that contract. The guy that signed him already had it blow up in his face this past off-season.

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Like I said Mike has to deal with Albert and his contract. This thing could indeed blow up in his face if Albert pushed back. And the Commanders would likely still be on the hook for his contract if he was smart about it.

If your angling for the last word on this then go ahead an get your parting shot in I will not respond.



 

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For the second straight day, Albert Haynesworth will not take the conditioning test. For fourth straight day, he won't practice.



Im sorry but I hope the Commanders get their money back. This guy is just disguisting and a thief.
 

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Apluz;3478218 said:
That's because up until your last post you could argue that you never actually said what you meant. You had no point to make you were just tossing a Frisbee around blindly.

I have no doubt you argued this long into the night with yourself, but it is not so.

Apluz;3478218 said:
I claimed you were implying that Haynesworth is hurting financially you choose to argue that obvious point by stating you never actually said that ( which was true ) in the same sentence you admit that is how you felt... .... .... Ok keep the popcorn you got any more of that stuff you were maybe smoking before the munchies set in?

You honestly don't know what is wrong with this statement, do you? The whole entire statement. Pure awesomeness (that should not be interpreted as a compliment towards you, by the way).

Apluz;3478218 said:
Playing ostrich and burying your head in the sand gives you control over what you see not over what is said. If a tree falls in the forest and nobody is.... ahh never mind.

Interesting that you post the first sentence, since it could be argued that what you have posted flaunts the topics and instead spurns debate with yourself. This is win number two (probably not for the reasons you posted it, though)

Apluz;3478218 said:
The stripper suing Albert likely is gold digging. Albert was stupid enough to put himself in this situation so it would serve him right if she was awarded 10 million. But it never works like that if he is the father then he will likely just get a court order for support. LOL 10 million dollar babies go find you a richy Joe Rod get paid!

Ignoring the 1 million dollar claim you made to try and attack a solid dollar figure introduced into the court? I simply posted it to support how "off the wall" your claim of settling for 1 million dollars was, particularly when it comes to Child support.

Apluz;3478218 said:
Not again with the I never said that nonsense. Any reasonable person would take that what you meant by the statement below is you felt because Shanny was not the fool who signed Albert to his contract he was some how exempted from the situation (that he is partly instigating) blowing up in his face.

Originally Posted by Joe Rod
This won't blow up in Shanny's face because he was not the fool that signed Haynesworth to that contract. The guy that signed him already had it blow up in his face this past off-season.

It reads exactly how I intended it. The way Shanahan is handling Haynesworth will not blow up in his face and the contract is on Snyder. That does not at all imply that I feel Shanahan does not have to deal with Haynesworth. In fact, it supports that he is already dealing with Haynesworth in the manner he sees fit.

You introduced the notion that I indicated he did not have to deal with Haynesworth at all. Interesting that you have been doing stuff like this for the duration of our debate and still manage to infuse a "reasonable person" blurb to insinuate that you are such a person.


Apluz;3478218 said:
Like I said Mike has to deal with Albert and his contract. This thing could indeed blow up in his face if Albert pushed back. And the Commanders would likely still be on the hook for his contract if he was smart about it.

Yet again, "like I said". You have been making points and couterpoints against yourself while attempting to infuse it as my opinion. If you want to converse with yourself (and I've no doubt that you do it frequently), then create another user account.

Apluz;3478218 said:
If your angling for the last word on this then go ahead an get your parting shot in I will not respond.

Yes you will. I actually just laid a small wager that you would. You need this debate to help sort out the voices in your head. It calls to you.
 
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