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It has been another big week for the PlayStation 3 and especially Blu-Ray. In the wake of recent sales statistics and major retailers siding with Blu-Ray, the latest report says Toshiba and HD-DVD have admitted defeat. Victory for Blu-Ray! The PS3 continues to move up the sales charts, especially in the UK, and one source believes Sony's system will be the industry leader by 2011. In other hardware news, it seems the much-rumored PSP Phone really is in development, and the 80GB PS3 model appears to have been officially discontinued. As you can see, it's not a bad time to be a PS3 owner, and if you are one, you'll want to check out our latest PS3 videos.
 

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locked&loaded;1959207 said:
no one cares that hd-dvd is going to be obsolete?

I just wish it had happened sooner. I own an xbox 360, but was waiting on the outcome before I purchased a new HD player. Now I've got to wait it out for god knows how long before Microsoft gets a Blu ray unit together...but at least its done.
 

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I was a big Blu-ray supporter from the start so I'm not entirely upset. Thought about getting the HD-DVD drive for my 360 but since I have a PS3 and Blu-ray appears to be the clear winner there's not much point now. First time I watched a Blu-ray movie on my 52" HDTV my jaw dropped. Strange thing is my family didn't seem to care or notice.
 

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locked&loaded;1959207 said:
no one cares that hd-dvd is going to be obsolete?

It was already being discussed in the other thread is why.
 

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I don't see how Blu-Ray "winning" makes the PS3 any better. If I want to watch a DVD, I'll put the dvd in a dvd player. If I want to play a game, I'll put a game disk in my 360 or PS3.


I don't give a rat's arse about movie viewing capabilities with my PS3.




For gaming 360 > PS3. I own both. JMO
 

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That's good for you, many gamers out there however disagree. Since I have a PS3 and a 360 I have neither the need or inclination to go out and buy a bluray player or another DVD player. I have always watched movies on the 360 and have just now started using the Bluray player to an extent.

You seem a bit naive about the jump in qaulity from standard DVD to the now Bluray and HD-DVD formats. If you have an HDTV along with component or HDMI cables the clarity and color of the newer formats really sticks out.

As far as 360 being better. 360 while it has good exlcusives right now is so prone to overheating and hardware failures it's not even funny. I think the percentage is something like 16.4 or close to that. Yes M$ is finally beginning to fix these problems but people like me who have had a 360 from launch or within the first year or so have been royally screwed. I got 2 360's at launch and one finally bit the bullet..sent it in for repair got it back and it still wasn't fixed. Thankfully my other one still works fine but I've gotten the red ring of death twice on it and it's prone to scratch discs.

With that said I pretty much buy all my 3rd party games on the PS3 because the hardware is much more stable and can be left on for hours or even days at a time. I wish it had the quality of exlusives that the 360 has but they are coming. Actually last month the PS3 surpassed the 360 in sales and is now considered to be in second place among consoles..the PSP is even outselling the 360 at this juncture. The hardware failures of the 360 problly had quite a bit to do with that.
 

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Blake;1959664 said:
As far as 360 being better. 360 while it has good exlcusives right now is so prone to overheating and hardware failures it's not even funny. I think the percentage is something like 16.4 or close to that. Yes M$ is finally beginning to fix these problems but people like me who have had a 360 from launch or within the first year or so have been royally screwed. I got 2 360's at launch and one finally bit the bullet..sent it in for repair got it back and it still wasn't fixed. Thankfully my other one still works fine but I've gotten the red ring of death twice on it and it's prone to scratch discs.

With that said I pretty much buy all my 3rd party games on the PS3 because the hardware is much more stable and can be left on for hours or even days at a time. I wish it had the quality of exlusives that the 360 has but they are coming. Actually last month the PS3 surpassed the 360 in sales and is now considered to be in second place among consoles..the PSP is even outselling the 360 at this juncture. The hardware failures of the 360 problly had quite a bit to do with that.

i've had my 360 since 2 weeks after launch and have left it on for days...DAYS and it still works like a charm not one disc read error, no over heating no nadda. the RROD rate has been dropping since the Elite came out in April of last year.

the ps3 surpasses it in sales for that month not all time. the PSP isn't out selling nothing no body buys that its allways been a few tweaks away from a true portable gaming device
 

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Never had a problem with the 360 either. From what I've been told, the overheating problems were largely eliminated by the second year.

They did choose poorly, however, concerning the HD-DVD war. It'll be some time before Microsoft gets the xbox 360 compatible blu ray player on the market...and that sucks.

After this, xbox needs to get the rights to Grand Turismo.
 

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the kid 05;1959694 said:
i've had my 360 since 2 weeks after launch and have left it on for days...DAYS and it still works like a charm not one disc read error, no over heating no nadda. the RROD rate has been dropping since the Elite came out in April of last year.

the ps3 surpasses it in sales for that month not all time. the PSP isn't out selling nothing no body buys that its allways been a few tweaks away from a true portable gaming device


Congratulations on being in the minority but the overheating and disc scratching issues are widely documented. Go on any Xbox 360 message board and you can see the frustration many 360 owners along with myself are having. Many have claimed to have gone through as many as 4-5 360's. Eventually Im going to get an elite since I understand it uses a different chip set thus less overheating issues. Untill then I'm still getting all my third party games exclusively on the PS3.

And yes the PSP did outsell the 360 for the month of January up into Febuary.
These are the latest numbers.

Wii-447,188
DS-419,938
PSP-194,956
PS3-163,990
Xbox360-145,030

Who knows if this trend will continue but with the recent price drop of the PS3 and exlcusives such as MGS4, Resistance 2, and Gran Turismo coming soon it's likely the PS3 numbers will keep going up significantly.
 

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the kid 05;1959694 said:
i've had my 360 since 2 weeks after launch and have left it on for days...DAYS and it still works like a charm not one disc read error, no over heating no nadda. the RROD rate has been dropping since the Elite came out in April of last year.

the ps3 surpasses it in sales for that month not all time. the PSP isn't out selling nothing no body buys that its allways been a few tweaks away from a true portable gaming device


Agreed. I've never had any problems with my 360.


It's funny how people that have no problems are in the "minority" yet it's only 16% of 360's that have problems.

Someone didn't do so well in math class.



And I don't need a lecture on HDMI, HD-DVD, or BluRay quality. :rolleyes:


Go on any Xbox 360 message board and you can see the frustration many 360 owners along with myself are having


And where do people post that don't have any problems? Oh that's right, if you aren't having problems, no need to complain about anything.
 

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Actually I was mistaken. The tally was taken from a pool of 1000 360 owners. Of those 1000 16% had hardware failures. Over 60% of the failures were from the "Red Ring of Death"

That's in striking contrast compared to the PS3's and Wii's 3% hardware failure rate.

As for the message board reports. IGN used to have 40 page threads on reported hardware failures in the 360 section but don't take my word for it. Im speaking as someone who owned a 360 before I ever bought a PS3 or a Wii. Before the price drop of the PS3 the 360 was hands down the system I was sticking by.

You obviously need some kind of understanding of the difference between bluray and DVD because what you seemed to inferr from your orignal post is that you seem to think they are alike and they're not even close.

Once last thing, you appear quite arrogant.
 

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Blake;1959845 said:
Actually I was mistaken. The tally was taken from a pool of 1000 360 owners. Of those 1000 16% had hardware failures. Over 60% of the failures were from the "Red Ring of Death"

That's in striking contrast compared to the PS3's and Wii's 3% hardware failure rate.

As for the message board reports. IGN used to have 40 page threads on reported hardware failures in the 360 section but don't take my word for it. Im speaking as someone who owned a 360 before I ever bought a PS3 or a Wii. Before the price drop of the PS3 the 360 was hands down the system I was sticking by.

You obviously need some kind of understanding of the difference between bluray and DVD because what you seemed to inferr from your orignal post is that you seem to think they are alike and they're not even close.

Once last thing, you appear quite arrogant.

dude we've had 100 page threads about how Quincy Freaking Carter is a football god and 200+ pagers on how Chad was better then Carter... my point? peoples opinions will always vary and you got people who will sit and bash and bash for days/weeks/years on how something is wrong or right. Send HeavyHitta31 a message about the 30 yard slant :D

the difference between blu/hddvd and dvd is just a) the amount of pixles it takes to project the image and b) the sound is a smidget better c) the size of the dvd/blu disc's are larger
 

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Blake;1959780 said:
Congratulations on being in the minority but the overheating and disc scratching issues are widely documented. Go on any Xbox 360 message board and you can see the frustration many 360 owners along with myself are having. Many have claimed to have gone through as many as 4-5 360's. Eventually Im going to get an elite since I understand it uses a different chip set thus less overheating issues. Untill then I'm still getting all my third party games exclusively on the PS3.

And yes the PSP did outsell the 360 for the month of January up into Febuary.
These are the latest numbers.

Wii-447,188
DS-419,938
PSP-194,956
PS3-163,990
Xbox360-145,030

Who knows if this trend will continue but with the recent price drop of the PS3 and exlcusives such as MGS4, Resistance 2, and Gran Turismo coming soon it's likely the PS3 numbers will keep going up significantly.

the Elite uses the "falcon" chip is smaller thus cooler.

The people who state they have gone through 4-5 360's are either a) sony fanboys (such as you seem to be) or b) r-tards that shove the thing into a tiny space with no breathing room.

I stand corrected about the numbers. MGS4 is coming to the 360 its a timed exclusive just like the gta series and previous MGS games, Resistance 1 sucked big ones the only thing it has for it is the 60 multiplayer action but seeing how PSN is still laggy from the lack of dedicated servers ( dont try and say they have them cuz thats why the xbox live cost money to keep their dedicated servers running and lag free gaming) it will run like crap just like R1 did, I do love me some GT though
 

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the kid 05;1959931 said:
the Elite uses the "falcon" chip is smaller thus cooler.

The people who state they have gone through 4-5 360's are either a) sony fanboys (such as you seem to be) or b) r-tards that shove the thing into a tiny space with no breathing room.

I stand corrected about the numbers. MGS4 is coming to the 360 its a timed exclusive just like the gta series and previous MGS games, Resistance 1 sucked big ones the only thing it has for it is the 60 multiplayer action but seeing how PSN is still laggy from the lack of dedicated servers ( dont try and say they have them cuz thats why the xbox live cost money to keep their dedicated servers running and lag free gaming) it will run like crap just like R1 did, I do love me some GT though

I was waiting for the "fanboy" tag. But then you see that creates somewhat of a conundrum perhaps. Am I fanboy because I see better qualities in the PS3 or are you a fanboy because you see better qualities in the 360? Or perhaps I'm completely unbiased and make my judgements based on what I like and what pleases me as a consumer.

The fanboy tag doesn't apply to me because I've owned almost every system besides the original attari's and clocovision(however it's spelled). Do I show a little more favor towards one system? Maybe...but I'm far from a fanboy. I bought the 360 2 years before I go the PS3. Why? The price was sufficient, the games were great and I'm a gamer. I almost never had any intentions of getting the PS3. However my first 360 bit the bullet after having it an a well ventilated place for quite some time it finally died. The 360 I have now on ocassion gives me fits and has even scratched a few of my games causing disc read errors.

Fanboys are generally kids or teens who's parents only buy them one system. Thus they become defensive when possible negative qualities are pointed out about said system. They also get high and mighty when they can find flaws in a rival system not in theirs. The whole "fanboy" tag is abused and I don't know many guys my age to care one way or the other. A gamer is a gamer, being a gamer I can still objectively look at each system and critique if I want.

When the price of the PS3 dropped and I saw a few games I liked I finally plunged and I got it. Needless to say I'm quite pleased with it.

My personal experience or yours means little though. What matters really are the stats. And the stats show that the 360 has a much higher hardware failure rate than the PS3 or the Wii. The 360 was rushed to launch causing massive overheating issues, something which has taken M$ a couple years to seemingly finally resolve. Did I pay the price for getting my system around launch? Yea I did, but it doesn't excuse so many system failures. PS2 didn't have hardware failures to the likes of the 360 and it was notorious for them.


As far as exclusives go. MGS4 so far is only known to be an exclusive to the PS3 right now. There is actually a petition at the 360 IGN message board to get MGS4 on the 360. A petition wouldn't be necessary if the Xbox community felt confident that MGS4 was coming to the 360. MGS4 to 360 related news is merely speculation and rumour at this point.

Resistance was a great FPS, not quite GOW good but it was very well done. Resistance 2 will very likely push the bar a little bit and make for another great FPS. Then there will also be Killzone 2 in the near future. I don't foresee the PS3 having any Halo killer type games but it will have some quality exclusives that will appeal to the average consumer. This is why I think the PS3 sales will continue to climb.

One more thing, like I said I plan to get the "Elite" 360 soon. Im just going to wait until I get out of boot-camp. (Marines). I feel right now that the 360 I have now is winding down and close to being on it's last leg.
 

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the only flaw int he ps3 is lack of dedicated servers (i love playing online) and the price tag (im a college kid so hush). petitions of a message boards are about as usefull as a bucket of steam. Ps3 has a halo killer but that game is also on the 360 its COD4. Cod4 blows the piss out of halo in evey sense. GOW guessing gears of war wasn't a FPS it was TPS and the game was ok at best.

the ps2 did have hardware failures. i'll provide a link in a second

the link:

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news03/playstation.html
 

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the kid 05;1959970 said:
the only flaw int he ps3 is lack of dedicated servers (i love playing online) and the price tag (im a college kid so hush). petitions of a message boards are about as usefull as a bucket of steam. Ps3 has a halo killer but that game is also on the 360 its COD4. Cod4 blows the piss out of halo in evey sense. GOW guessing gears of war wasn't a FPS it was TPS and the game was ok at best.

the ps2 did have hardware failures. i'll provide a link in a second

the link:

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news03/playstation.html


There are more flaws in the PS3 than that. The scaling issue chief among them. There have been plenty of other flaws as well that took forever for Sony to fix.

The 360 is fine. My only complaint is that it's too loud now that I got my first one replaced and the newer ones have more fans. Sure the failure rate was high, but a 3 year warranty makes that a moot point IMO. As far as the Elite goes, everything I read stated the original Elites had exactly the same architecture as other 360's. I don't believe Elites had a new chip until all the other ones got new chips as well.
 

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Blake;1959962 said:
Resistance was a great FPS, not quite GOW good but it was very well done. Resistance 2 will very likely push the bar a little bit and make for another great FPS. Then there will also be Killzone 2 in the near future. I don't foresee the PS3 having any Halo killer type games but it will have some quality exclusives that will appeal to the average consumer. This is why I think the PS3 sales will continue to climb.

Now that is an oxymoron if I ever saw one. Great FPS...there's no such thing. Best one is Metroid and it's playable only because it's Metroid.

Why would you not have sent in your other Xbox that scratches discs if you got the red lights?
 

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the kid 05;1959931 said:
the Elite uses the "falcon" chip is smaller thus cooler.

The people who state they have gone through 4-5 360's are either a) sony fanboys (such as you seem to be) or b) r-tards that shove the thing into a tiny space with no breathing room.

I stand corrected about the numbers. MGS4 is coming to the 360 its a timed exclusive just like the gta series and previous MGS games, Resistance 1 sucked big ones the only thing it has for it is the 60 multiplayer action but seeing how PSN is still laggy from the lack of dedicated servers ( dont try and say they have them cuz thats why the xbox live cost money to keep their dedicated servers running and lag free gaming) it will run like crap just like R1 did, I do love me some GT though

lol how many times does kojima have to deny these rumors until 360 owners understand. Kojima is pushing ps3 to up there blu ray disc space to the 50 gig isntead of the regular. 360 discs just cant hold it. REsistance was great. Psn is not laggy at all.

http://www.ps3forums.com/showthread.php?t=90933

get your facts straight. since all you have posted are lies.

no dedicated servers?
 
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