joseephuss
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Cowboyslife;3812860 said:He's 6'3". He has a lot of room to pack on more pounds.
He has a small frame.
Cowboyslife;3812860 said:He's 6'3". He has a lot of room to pack on more pounds.
cowboyjoe;3812641 said:understand you buddy, von has potential to be a really good linebacker, but i think Quinn could be a monster at DE and in 3-4 outside like charles haley was that put fear in opposing offenses
ninja;3812738 said:von Miller didn't look like 248 pounds when I saw him play in the bowl game. He looked small. Played well but looked small for a LB.
Cowboyslife;3812830 said:Von Miller actually compares pretty well to Elvis Dummervil. Both are/were considered too-small, hybrid DE/OLBs.
GloryDaysRBack;3812648 said:I'll be pissed if we don't take Quinn at 9, if he's available.
dbair1967;3813640 said:Looked closer to 228 than 248 in the two games I watched him play (Texas, LSU)
Looked alot more like a big safety than a 3-4 OLB to me
texbumthelife;3813705 said:Except their college positions and skill sets are completely different and Dummervil is a heavy set, stocky guy. Von Miller is built like an NBA power forward. Miller will get eatin' alive by NFL OT's.
With that said, some of the more creative, attacking defenses in the NFL (NYJ, NE, Batl, Pitt) could really wreak havoc with this kid. I can also see him being a smaller Derrick Brooks on the right team (TB, Indy). He would have to greatly improve his coverage skills though.
texbumthelife;3813705 said:Except their college positions and skill sets are completely different and Dummervil is a heavy set, stocky guy. Von Miller is built like an NBA power forward. Miller will get eatin' alive by NFL OT's.
With that said, some of the more creative, attacking defenses in the NFL (NYJ, NE, Batl, Pitt) could really wreak havoc with this kid. I can also see him being a smaller Derrick Brooks on the right team (TB, Indy). He would have to greatly improve his coverage skills though.
Cowboyslife;3813968 said:True, Dummervil only stands 5'11", but still, the fact remains, he too was thought to be undersized and a player without a position, and now he's playing ILB for the Broncos. Or at least was for the early portion of his career in Denver. He's kind of fallen out of my radar.
TheCount;3814032 said:He plays OLB for them and just signed a huge new deal. He got hurt way back in august and went on IR.
Dummervil is just yet another example of people ignoring production for fear of size, which kind of bolsters the pro-Miller argument, actually. Elvis was dynamite in college but dropped to the second day because he wasn't 6'5 270, and yet he has continued to play at a high level in the NFL. Oops.
Cowboyslife;3814038 said:Oh, because I know he started out with them at ILB. Guess he switched. I think Rob Ryan can do any number of things with Von. Bring him as an OLB to rush the passer. Blitz him from the ILB position, and even put him on the edge when he goes to 4 down linemen.
Kid has Dwight Freeney type of explosion off the snap. It's scary.
TheCount;3814032 said:He plays OLB for them and just signed a huge new deal. He got hurt way back in august and went on IR.
Dummervil is just yet another example of people ignoring production for fear of size, which kind of bolsters the pro-Miller argument, actually. Elvis was dynamite in college but dropped to the second day because he wasn't 6'5 270, and yet he has continued to play at a high level in the NFL. Oops.
Going just on college production, Miller has been more consistent and more productive than Quinn has and probably against better competition too. Of course if Quinn hadn't gotten himself suspended, he might have had a season for the ages... or maybe not.
joseephuss;3814184 said:I think you are giving Dumervil a little too much credit. He has played well, but I would not say he continues to play at a high level. Especially when he didn't play at all this season. Plus he was drafted in the 4th round. We are talking about the #9 overall pick. I think most people would be disappointed if the #9 overall pick wasn't producing at a higher level than Dumervil has done so far in his career.
TheCount;3814356 said:He didn't play because he was on IR, you make it sound like he was benched.
Dumervil has flourished in the 3-4, we'll see how he does going forward. I've got no stake in the guy and I didn't bring his name up.
You mean to tell me you wouldn't be satisfied with 43 sacks in 4 years from a #9 overall pick? I'm not sure what kind of production you're expecting out of whomever we draft then.
My whole point is people read into physical stats way too much.
joseephuss;3814450 said:I want a guy to be an all around player at the #9 pick. Sacks are nice, but that is not all to the game. Dumervil averages less than 2 tackles per game for 106 total. He is not good against the run. He is a very one dimensional player. Look at Ware. He had 53.5 sacks and 225 tackles in 4 years. That is production and he was able to play in his 5th year and add to those totals. That is what I want in the #9 pick. Dumveril is fine for a guy not picked in the 1st round. So Dallas can find someone of that caliber later in the draft.
I know he was on IR. He needs to be on the field in order to earn the statement, "he continues to play at a high level". Maybe it was due to his physical stats that he was not able to stay healthy.
Perhaps people do read too much into physical stats, but you can't go the other direction and ignore them,either. I think Miller would be a nice addition to the Cowboys, but I don't like him at the #9 spot.
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