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Kyle's offense led the league in passing last year, so yeah, I'd say he knows what he's doing

but but your QB is McNab not Shaub

After the Elder Shanny comes the Younger. We've got the next 10 Years covered. With coaches with proven records and rings to go with them.

I bet you they don't last 3 - 4 years at the most
 

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UnoDallas;3519200 said:
Kyle's offense led the league in passing last year, so yeah, I'd say he knows what he's doing

but but your QB is McNab not Shaub

After the Elder Shanny comes the Younger. We've got the next 10 Years covered. With coaches with proven records and rings to go with them.

I bet you they don't last 3 - 4 years at the most


and your WR isn't Andre it's Santana :laugh1:
 

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Gruden with B Johnson
Billick with T Dilfer
Couglin with Eli manning
Reeves with Chris Chandler

3 of the four won SB's
 

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silverbear;3517052 said:
Good, 'cause you're stuck with him...

I also have to note that Danny Boy once hired a coach with an even better record, and that celebrated coach lasted one season in DC... does the name Marty Schottenheimer ring any bells??
Marty's "better record" was regular season-only...there's a reason the guy got fired after going 14-2: it's because he absolutely crapped the bed year after year in the playoffs. Without playoff success your regular season success means zilch. It's also the reason Norv is still hanging around in San Diego with an "even worse record" than Marty--because he actually won some games in the playoffs.

So if you want to compare records that actually matter, try comparing their postseason records:

Shanahan: 8-5, .615% winning percentage, 2 SB wins
Marty: 5-13, .278% winning percentage, 0 SB appearances
 

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Shanahan: 8-5, .615% winning percentage, 2 SB wins

in 14 yrs - lol

well I guess thats better than Bill Cowher

1 SB
1 SB loss

in 15 yrs
 

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Shanny’s strength has always been his offense. Even in the latter years under Cutler, the offense was very strong, albeit turnover prone. Probably his worse years offensively were under Brian Griese. The Shanny offense is running out on the perimeter with zone blocking and keep the QB booting. Then when the weakside DE or weakside backer start over committing, they’ll go play action with the boot. I think a big thing Shanny’s offense will face is that I don’t think this works quite as well against 3-4 schemes as it will against 4-3 schemes, mainly because 3-4 OLB’s are more athletic and tend to line up out wider than the typical 4-3 DE. Still, it’s a sound scheme, the big thing is getting the right O-Linemen for the zone blocking, not getting RB’s that absolutely suck, and getting a QB who is really good at bootlegs. Shanny has said he liked Romo a lot out of college (and as a pro QB) and actually offered Romo the max amount ($20K) to come into Broncos training camp as a UDFA, but Romo took the Cowboys’ lesser offer because his competition was Quincy and Hutchinson. It’s easy to see why Shanny liked Romo given Romo’s ability outside of the pocket…it would fit very well into Shanny’s bootleg centric offense.

With Jake Plummer, he had a guy good at the bootlegs, but he could only trust him for about 25 throws. If they needed to throw more than that, they were doomed. When the Broncos went against the Steelers in ’05, a 3-4 scheme, their bootleg centric offense was pretty much told to go get their shine box.

With Cutler they had a pretty good bootleg QB (Plummer IMO was better at the bootlegs) and a very good pocket passer, but a mistake prone QB. Although IMO the real issue was the defense and the Broncos having to air it out and take chances.

But Shanny’s weakness has always been his defenses, questionable drafting and his inability to allow certain players to get out of his doghouse. While the Haynesworth situation is untenable and I don’t think many coaches would let Haynesworth out of their doghouse, Shanny has had issues with various players for even silly stuff and winds up benching them and letting them go only to see them perform well somewhere else. That really doesn’t do the team any good. His drafts were often inconsistent. Remember, this is the guy that drafted Maurice Clarett in the 3rd round not too long ago when it was pretty well documented that he might be the biggest headcase in NFL history.

And of course the defense has really plagued Shanny’s career.

With Elway and Terrell Davis they had this super explosive offense that dominated in the run game. So that gives them a high scoring offense that could really run the ball. I would always vote for Davis to be in the HoF because if you look at his numbers and compare them to Earl Campbell’s, I think most would take Davis. They were downright phenomenal. With Elway, you had a good bootlegging QB who was good from the pocket and didn’t turn the ball over a lot. So you get an explosive offense that scores a ton of points and dominates the time of possession and doesn’t turn the ball over. That would make any defense’s job easy.

I don’t think that Elway was *so much* behind Shanny’s early success, but more the combination of Elway and Davis and anything less than that combination made Shanny still pretty successful, but not nearly as good as he once was. And after awhile teams started to figure out how to control their running attack and that’s why latter years were pretty average to mediocre.





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Bonecrusher#31;3519215 said:
and your WR isn't Andre it's Santana :laugh1:


I am all for optimism for every team during the preason...even from Skins fans. They have a right to have some excitement moving forward.

Although I have read comments from Skin fans saying McNabb has better receivers now than he did most of his career in Philly. While it is true McNabb did not have a number 1 for a good time in Philly, I don't know if I agree with that.

I expect a healthy Santana to have a nice season. But who else do the Skins have? Armstrong is an undrafted practice squad player. Now maybe he can play and I will not judge as we have a number one receiver who was undrafted. But Armstrong in all liklihood is just a guy. Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly appear to be playing themselves out of DC. And the rest of the guys are veteran guys who don't offer much in the present. Cooley is a very good pass catching tight end.

Although, I could answer that Westbrook was the more dangerous pass catcher than anyone currently on the skins. Westbrook would make those two yard pass plays into 40 yard plays. The Skins currently do not have a RB who can make plays like that in the passing game.
 

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BTW, I expected the Skins defense to really struggle this year. While I can't take much away from the preseason, I thought they have been strong against the pass. They appear to have a lot of bodies around the ball. I do have concerns of them stopping the run and the effects of wearing down as the season wears on.

All in all, they did not give up many big plays on defense in preseason.
 

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chicago JK;3521311 said:
I am all for optimism for every team during the preason...even from Skins fans. They have a right to have some excitement moving forward.

Although I have read comments from Skin fans saying McNabb has better receivers now than he did most of his career in Philly. While it is true McNabb did not have a number 1 for a good time in Philly, I don't know if I agree with that.

I expect a healthy Santana to have a nice season. But who else do the Skins have? Armstrong is an undrafted practice squad player. Now maybe he can play and I will not judge as we have a number one receiver who was undrafted. But Armstrong in all liklihood is just a guy. Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly appear to be playing themselves out of DC. And the rest of the guys are veteran guys who don't offer much in the present. Cooley is a very good pass catching tight end.
I'd say Moss, Cooley and Davis are three potent targets for McNabb...and actually Devin Thomas has shown he can make plays in this league, and hopefully having 1) a much better O-Line, 2) a much better QB, 3) a much better offensive coordinator, and 4) a much better head coach will cause the offense to utilize him and his skills more.

But, yeah, we're not exactly stacked with WR talent at the moment lol...Maybe Galloway has one decent year left in him and maybe Armstrong becomes the Commanders' diamond-in-the-rough. Can only hope...


Although, I could answer that Westbrook was the more dangerous pass catcher than anyone currently on the skins. Westbrook would make those two yard pass plays into 40 yard plays. The Skins currently do not have a RB who can make plays like that in the passing game.
Not too many teams do...


chicago JK;3521314 said:
BTW, I expected the Skins defense to really struggle this year. While I can't take much away from the preseason, I thought they have been strong against the pass. They appear to have a lot of bodies around the ball. I do have concerns of them stopping the run and the effects of wearing down as the season wears on.

All in all, they did not give up many big plays on defense in preseason.
Maybe we'll have a defense like the Saints did last year, who gave up yards--and a few too many points--but made up for it with turnovers and big plays. The Skins' D so far has been causing TOs in the preseason...would love to see that translate over into the regular season.
 

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UnoDallas;3521024 said:
Shanahan: 8-5, .615% winning percentage, 2 SB wins

in 14 yrs - lol
I bet you wouldn't have minded the Cowboys having that record over the last 14 years ;)...
 
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