Help me out. Spencer?

[fortdick]

Okay, this whole draft so far has taken me by surprise. I think Jerruh is a genius for the way he played Brady Quinn into an early first next year, and I like the Marten pick. But I don't understand the Spencer pick.

He is too small for DE in the 3-4, so he will be a LB. His rush skills say that he will be an outside LB. Ellis may be a question mark, but there is always Carp whom they thought enough of to take in the first last year.

I gotta read this as they do not expect Ellis to come back from the injury. Either that, or they are giving up on either James or Carp. I understand you have to feed the 3-4 lots of LB'ers, but you don't take a first rounder as a backup. This guy has to be figured as a potential starter.

So who is it that is losing their job to Spencer, either this year or next?

 

[bbuck822]

Think of Ellis back at DE where he belongs. Carp will probably replace James on Nickel downs. The rest is totally up to Wade as he will try to maximize match-up advatages with our personnel. I really see us moving Carp around a lot this year. He is going to be a very versatile player.

 

[Crown Royal]

Either that, or they are giving up on either James or Carp.

It's like in class, when you raise your hand to ask a question, and answer it yourself mid sentence.

 

[speedkilz88]

Carp just isn't the pass rusher they need on the strong side.

Ellis is still a huge question mark with the achilles injury.

So Spencer is the future as the bookend OLB to Ware, while Carpenter spends more time at ILB and while Carpenter, Burnett, and Ellis can still give relief to the starters so they don't wear down during the game.

 

[fortdick]

So we have three first round outside LB'ers, and a second on the inside? Moving Carp around sounds great, but his run defense was excellent on the strong side, and he did get pressure late in the year. I am just not convinced that he is better inside. James may get back to form, then what? Akin and Burnett seem to be more of the move around kind of guys.

 

[speedkilz88]

Carp just can't give them the kind of pressure from the outside that they need. Like Spencer gives them. This guy is going to ring up double digit sacks maybe as a rookie.

 

[Typhus]

Carp just isn't the pass rusher they need on the strong side.

Ellis is still a huge question mark with the achilles injury.

So Spencer is the future as the bookend OLB to Ware, while Carpenter spends more time at ILB and while Carpenter, Burnett, and Ellis can still give relief to the starters so they don't wear down during the game.

nailed it.....

Obtaining a pass rush is always the #1 priority, or atleast should be.

Outside of Ware getting past double duty blocking schemes, and a healthy Ellis, who else on this defense can pay the bill?

The Spencer pick was a NEED , and shouldn't have been a big surprise to anyone, esp. the Cowboys War Room.

Easy decision, and a very good one to boot.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Phillips wants to bring heat on the QB. After Ellis went down, so did our pass rush. Spencer can get to the QB and stuff the run as a bonus. Carp is inside now. The bottom line is.......it's all about the pass rush. We needed another edge rusher.

 

[zrinkill]

Dont worry man ..... Wade will have all of them in there on passing downs ....

Wade has to be happy ..... I believe there is more Talent on this team than even he has ever seen ..... now of course that does not mean it will gel or that all these players will work out ..... but the talent is amazing.

 

[sago1]

If it's any comfort, I think Spencer is Wade Phillips answer opposite Ware just like Shawn Phillips was for Merriman. You may not know that Shawn Phillips was drafted by Chargers in the 4th round in Wade's first year as DC and that Shawn Phillips also came out of the Purdue pro style defense where both played DE. Shawn Phillips is also smaller then normal OLB in a 34 defense but just perfect for Wade Phillips defense as is Spencer. In fact Spencer's profile stated he will shine if able to play in similar scheme as Shaun Phillips.

 

[Hostile]

Okay, this whole draft so far has taken me by surprise. I think Jerruh is a genius for the way he played Brady Quinn into an early first next year, and I like the Marten pick. But I don't understand the Spencer pick.

He is too small for DE in the 3-4, so he will be a LB. His rush skills say that he will be an outside LB. Ellis may be a question mark, but there is always Carp whom they thought enough of to take in the first last year.

I gotta read this as they do not expect Ellis to come back from the injury. Either that, or they are giving up on either James or Carp. I understand you have to feed the 3-4 lots of LB'ers, but you don't take a first rounder as a backup. This guy has to be figured as a potential starter.

So who is it that is losing their job to Spencer, either this year or next?

I'll take a stab at it. Wade Phillips' version of the 3-4 relies on a bookend approach to attacking the ball. In San Diego he had Merriman and Shaun Phillips. Too many people fail to realize just how important Shaun was to that scheme's success.

Greg Ellis' tenure here is on thin ice. He's past his prime and coming off a season ending injury. His contributions in 2007 are probably limited to situational pass rushing form the LDE spot.

Carpenter most reminds me of Tedy Bruschi who was a college DE who has turned into an NFL ILB. When did he have his best success last year? When he had a given assignment such as shadowing Vick. From ILB he is our best chance to go get the ball. He can also spell Ware or Spencer at OLB.

If Spencer puts on about 20 pounds of muscle the right way he could even be used as the RDE and be lined up on the same side as Ware. This would almost certainly put Burnett or Carpenter at SOLB.

The key to Phillips' 3-4 scheme is versatility and the ability to come after the QB from anywhere. To disguise things so much that it creates havoc. Last year we didn't do that. Not that we couldn't, we simply didn't.

Marcus Spears should make a huge leap forward in this scheme. I look for either him or Canty to take some NT reps and Hatcher to get more time as well.

This defense is deep and will not tire. QBs beware, the Dallas Cowboys will be arriving right in the middle of your chests.

 

[BlueStar II]

My guess is that they have realized that Carp just doesn't give them the kind of pass rush pressure that they need or want, and more than likely, Carp will spend more time on the inside this year because of it. Spencer will provide us with a better opportunity to get pressure on the QB than what Carp is capable of doing. That's not meant to be a knock on Carp, but more of simple statement of fact than anything else.

 

[fortdick]

I'll take a stab at it. Wade Phillips' version of the 3-4 relies on a bookend approach to attacking the ball. In San Diego he had Merriman and Shaun Phillips. Too many people fail to realize just how important Shaun was to that scheme's success.

Greg Ellis' tenure here is on thin ice. He's past his prime and coming off a season ending injury. His contributions in 2007 are probably limited to situational pass rushing form the LDE spot.

Carpenter most reminds me of Tedy Bruschi who was a college DE who has turned into an NFL ILB. When did he have his best success last year? When he had a given assignment such as shadowing Vick. From ILB he is our best chance to go get the ball. He can also spell Ware or Spencer at OLB.

If Spencer puts on about 20 pounds of muscle the right way he could even be used as the RDE and be lined up on the same side as Ware. This would almost certainly put Burnett or Carpenter at SOLB.

The key to Phillips' 3-4 scheme is versatility and the ability to come after the QB from anywhere. To disguise things so much that it creates havoc. Last year we didn't do that. Not that we couldn't, we simply didn't.

Marcus Spears should make a huge leap forward in this scheme. I look for either him or Canty to take some NT reps and Hatcher to get more time as well.

This defense is deep and will not tire. QBs beware, the Dallas Cowboys will be arriving right in the middle of your chests.

Thanks Hos. That is about the best pro Spencer explanation I have seen. But I disagree about Carp. When he got playing time late in the year, he got pressure. He ran down Vick!

I just don;t believe Carp has had the chance to show what he can do. If you move him inside, am not convinced that is his spot.

It just seems that they are giving up on Carp without giving him a fair shot.

I guess we will see.

 

[bbuck822]

Wade has to be happy .....

Happy?, did anyone see the tickets War Room video when they finished the trade to get Spencer? He jumped about 5 ft in the air! Hey, maybe with skills like that we can suit up Wade too!

 

[Hostile]

Thanks Hos. That is about the best pro Spencer explanation I have seen. But I disagree about Carp. When he got playing time late in the year, he got pressure. He ran down Vick!

I just don;t believe Carp has had the chance to show what he can do. If you move him inside, am not convinced that is his spot.

It just seems that they are giving up on Carp without giving him a fair shot.

I guess we will see.

I hear ya, but remember what I said, if Spencer puts on 20 pounds of muscle (the right way) he might be used as the RDE. In my mind that would move Carpenter back to SOLB. They're not saying he can't get pressure. They're saying they believe he can apply it right up the middle. Not many players can do that. I believe Parcells saw that, but then asked him to read and react. Not in this scheme. He will be asked to attack at the point and to come on blitzes up the middle.

Think about this in 2 years.

Hatcher...Spears...Spencer
Carpenter...Burnett...James or Ayodele...Ware

We could still have Canty and Ratliff for depth and Roy on blitzes.

Translation...QBs pay your insurance. The thought of Ware and Spencer both coming from the right side is an Offensive Coordinator's worst nightmare.

 

[Ashwynn]

I'll take a stab at it. Wade Phillips' version of the 3-4 relies on a bookend approach to attacking the ball. In San Diego he had Merriman and Shaun Phillips. Too many people fail to realize just how important Shaun was to that scheme's success.

Greg Ellis' tenure here is on thin ice. He's past his prime and coming off a season ending injury. His contributions in 2007 are probably limited to situational pass rushing form the LDE spot.

Carpenter most reminds me of Tedy Bruschi who was a college DE who has turned into an NFL ILB. When did he have his best success last year? When he had a given assignment such as shadowing Vick. From ILB he is our best chance to go get the ball. He can also spell Ware or Spencer at OLB.

If Spencer puts on about 20 pounds of muscle the right way he could even be used as the RDE and be lined up on the same side as Ware. This would almost certainly put Burnett or Carpenter at SOLB.

The key to Phillips' 3-4 scheme is versatility and the ability to come after the QB from anywhere. To disguise things so much that it creates havoc. Last year we didn't do that. Not that we couldn't, we simply didn't.

Marcus Spears should make a huge leap forward in this scheme. I look for either him or Canty to take some NT reps and Hatcher to get more time as well.

This defense is deep and will not tire. QBs beware, the Dallas Cowboys will be arriving right in the middle of your chests.

Thats what I am getting from Phillips. He will be able to play fresh studs at the positions that matter all game long. Depth. Nothing wrong with having 4 solid OLBs, means you always have 2 studs in the game at any time.

Good call Hos.

 

[fortdick]

I hear ya, but remember what I said, if Spencer puts on 20 pounds of muscle (the right way) he might be used as the RDE. In my mind that would move Carpenter back to SOLB. They're not saying he can't get pressure. They're saying they believe he can apply it right up the middle. Not many players can do that. I believe Parcells saw that, but then asked him to read and react. Not in this scheme. He will be asked to attack at the point and to come on blitzes up the middle.

Think about this in 2 years.

Hatcher...Spears...Spencer
Carpenter...Burnett...James or Ayodele...Ware

We could still have Canty and Ratliff for depth and Roy on blitzes.

Translation...QBs pay your insurance. The thought of Ware and Spencer both coming from the right side is an Offensive Coordinator's worst nightmare.

Okay, you're making me feel better about it.

 

[speedkilz88]

Sorry Hos, I can't buy bulking up Spencer to play DE. This guy right off the bat is their second best outside rusher and Wade even mentioned that he had real good size like Merriman and didn't want to get him much bigger because it would slow him down.

I agree that Carp is very good shooting gaps from the inside. He should get a lot of sacks from that position.

 

[Bleu Star]

This defense is deep and will not tire. QBs beware, the Dallas Cowboys will be arriving right in the middle of your chests.

I love this statement. It's going to be an exciting year. Parlaying the Quinn desire from the Browns into a 1st next year was brilliant. They'll stink next year so it will be a fairly high pick. BRAVOOOOOOOOO.

 

[silver]

the spencer pick erases the burnett and carpenter misses. we need pass rushers and those two are nickle lb's. ellis will play DE on passing downs when we line up 4 linemen.