Henson awaits his chance

[bbgun]

And I await my chance ... with Jessica Biel. Both are hopeless situations.

 

[AbeBeta]

Don't worry. I am willing to give Julius a 4th chance (and a 5th, 6th, and 7th)....

8th time is the charm, I hear...

That's a silly comparison - Julius has played well at times in the NFL. Many folks would argue that if he got late game carries that MBIII did, that he would have had a monster year.

Ask yourself this. If Julius was cut today, how long would it take for him to have a new job? He would be claimed immediately.

How long did it take Henson to get a job after he was cut?

 

[Vintage]

That's a silly comparison - Julius has played well at times in the NFL. Many folks would argue that if he got late game carries that MBIII did, that he would have had a monster year.

Ask yourself this. If Julius was cut today, how long would it take for him to have a new job? He would be claimed immediately.

How long did it take Henson to get a job after he was cut?

I am sorry you took a joke for burmafrd seriously.

My apologies.

 

[AbeBeta]

I am sorry you took a joke for burmafrd seriously.

My apologies.

i said it was silly -- aren't jokes supposed to be that?

 

[thundercowboy]

Hey if the guy can complete every pass by throwing it around his back I wouldn't care. The throwing motion thing was a Parcells EXCUSE not to play Jerry's kid. I hope he shows 'em all. What did Parcells show us? Nothing much except that he wasn't that great of a coach any more.

 

[mmohican29]

Henson wasn't that good. That said, Parcells was ENTIRELY the wrong coach for the guy. Parcells excels at making something from nothing, but when he has the football equivalent of "5 tool" players with supreme confidence in their abilities, he seems to fail them miserably.

He does really well at getting players with above average ability but limited confidence to do well, but seems to ruin players with confidence he seems as "above" where he perceives their ability. It's almost the player must prove to play the "mind game" well to be a good player which is ridiculous... but here's some food for thought.

Parcells +
Exhibit A: Quincy Carter
Exhibit B: Carl Banks, Gary Reasons
Exhibit C: Ray Lucas/Vinny Testaverde

Parcells -
Exhibit A: Roy Williams
Exhibit B: Julius Jones
Exhibit C: Terrell Owens

 

[jobberone]

I think Henson played because Jerry pressured him and Parcells put him in to show Jerry he wasn't ready. I don't know this I think it to be so. I also think if that is true Parcells hurt Henson. But I don't think Henson has in in him to be a top flite or even journeyman starter. JMO. But I don't think Parcells did Henson any favors and I seriously doubt if Bill ever wanted him here period much less for a third round pick; which means more to Bill than Jerry anyway.

I said it then and I'll repeat it now and don't care who flames away or how hard.

I don't think it broke Henson's back but I do think it hurt him then. In the long run Henson appears headed to oblivion. He has marginal talent and no head for the game. I hope he proves me wrong though and I wish him luck.

 

[AbeBeta]

I think Henson played because Jerry pressured him and Parcells put him in to show Jerry he wasn't ready. I don't know this I think it to be so. I also think if that is true Parcells hurt Henson. But I don't think Henson has in in him to be a top flite or even journeyman starter. JMO. But I don't think Parcells did Henson any favors and I seriously doubt if Bill ever wanted him here period much less for a third round pick; which means more to Bill than Jerry anyway.

If a coach puts pressure on a player and the player comes away damaged, to me that means the player was just a lump of coal that crumbled. I'll blame a coach for putting a guy in too soon and screwing his confidence, but we are talking about a guy who never was able to get out of the blocks - we saw that in NFLE where he just couldn't make decisions fast enough. This is a case of a guy who was gone from the game too long and nothing more.

 

[BouncingCheese]

Henson will never have a chance to play a down as a starting qb unless Tavaris Jackson loses his arm or something drastic like that god forbid; Childress has too much banking on T. Jackson because he begged the FO to give away a bunch of draft picks to have the rights to him.

Childress is going to give Jackson every opportunity to win even if he starts throwing mad picks; Childress's ego is too big. He doesn't want the pick to look like a failure even though if that ends up happening it will only magnify the sit.

Good luck Henson.

 

[DallasEast]

Drew Henson is in Minnesota for one reason.
He wants a job. He is not there for money.
His first baseball contract took care of that.

The guaranteed $3.5 million he got from Dallas isn't chicken feed either.

 

[Alexander]

If a coach puts pressure on a player and the player comes away damaged, to me that means the player was just a lump of coal that crumbled. I'll blame a coach for putting a guy in too soon and screwing his confidence, but we are talking about a guy who never was able to get out of the blocks - we saw that in NFLE where he just couldn't make decisions fast enough. This is a case of a guy who was gone from the game too long and nothing more.

That is about it in a nutshell.

I am still fascinated by those who feel he was wronged and refuse to lay any responsibility for his failure (both here and in general) on him.

I will watch him play this preseason and I would not be shocked if Tyler Thigpen outplays him.

 

[Jarv]

That is about it in a nutshell.

I am still fascinated by those who feel he was wronged and refuse to lay any responsibility for his failure (both here and in general) on him.

I will watch him play this preseason and I would not be shocked if Tyler Thigpen outplays him.

The one I can say about Henson which has nothing to do with his playing skills. I've never heard him personally speak bad about coach BP (If I've missed it, let me know I can't keep up with everything).

He keeps on saying the right things anyhow, I want to play and keep on improving my game..bla bla bla.

I admit I was a Henson fan and never a big BP fan, Hensons failure here has been blamed on BP by some, but it seems not by Henson himself.

 

[burmafrd]

Several coaches have said that Henson just cannot football think in action. He cannot make the mental adjustments fast enough.

 

[aikemirv]

Several coaches have said that Henson just cannot football think in action. He cannot make the mental adjustments fast enough.

I think we can all see why BP liked Romo so much. Then in comparison to Henson I can see why Bp would have been down on Henson, a guy who came in with all the hype and talent but could just not make it work. I believe Henson just thinks too much. Henson's best games were those first preseason games his first year. Not too much going on in his head and just out there playing football.

I don't blame anything on BP for Henson's failure here, it was just not a good match at all and he had been out of football too long. Plus the developement of Romo pretty much caused BP to give up on Henson and I don't blame him one bit.

You have a guy (in Romo) who makes quick decisions, does not let things get to him and who BP feels has a geat future in comparison to a guy like Henson who just can't get past his own brain to just play football. At some point I think BP just believed Henson's mental makeup would not let him succeed in the NFL.

 

[Doomsday101]

I think we can all see why BP liked Romo so much. Then in comparison to Henson I can see why Bp would have been down on Henson, a guy who came in with all the hype and talent but could just not make it work. I believe Henson just thinks too much. Henson's best games were those first preseason games his first year. Not too much going on in his head and just out there playing football.

I don't blame anything on BP for Henson's failure here, it was just not a good match at all and he had been out of football too long. Plus the developement of Romo pretty much caused BP to give up on Henson and I don't blame him one bit.

You have a guy (in Romo) who makes quick decisions, does not let things get to him and who BP feels has a geat future in comparison to a guy like Henson who just can't get past his own brain to just play football. At some point I think BP just believed Henson's mental makeup would not let him succeed in the NFL.

I don't blame BP for Henson but I will say he had no business of seeing any action in his 1st year. After being away from the game he was no where close to being ready to see any action but was thrown out there none the less. Minn right now has been pretty happy with his progress but he still has to earn his way on to their roster and will get his chance.

 

[Hostile]

That is about it in a nutshell.

I am still fascinated by those who feel he was wronged and refuse to lay any responsibility for his failure (both here and in general) on him.

I will watch him play this preseason and I would not be shocked if Tyler Thigpen outplays him.

Going off topic because I am tired of talking about QBs who are no longer here (even ones I really liked). Also because I like hijacked threads.

Does anyone know the etymology of this phrase? I've always wondered where it came from and what prompted its use.

 

[aikemirv]

I don't blame BP for Henson but I will say he had no business of seeing any action in his 1st year. After being away from the game he was no where close to being ready to see any action but was thrown out there none the less. Minn right now has been pretty happy with his progress but he still has to earn his way on to their roster and will get his chance.

I did not have a problem with him playing Henson that Chicago game, I just did not like the conservative passing game that was called in that first half. It was too predictable and short and I believe what caused most of the problems for Henson that game. They needed to open it up that game not throw short and let the defense collapse on him. We were running the ball with ease and we should have opened up the passing game. It was just a poor game plan IMO.

 

[Kilyin]

Going off topic because I am tired of talking about QBs who are no longer here (even ones I really liked). Also because I like hijacked threads.

Does anyone know the etymology of this phrase? I've always wondered where it came from and what prompted its use.

Best I could find...

: IN A NUTSHELL - From the archives: Entry for "Nutshell", _Dictionary of Phrase and Fable_, E. Cobham Brewer, 1898: "The Iliad in a nutshell. Pliny tells us that Cicero asserts that the whole Iliad was written on a piece of parchment which might be put into a nutshell. Lalanne describes, in his Curiosités Bibliographiques, an edition of Rochefoucault's Maxims, published by Didot in 1829, on pages one inch square, each page containing 26 lines, and each line 44 letters. Charles Toppan, of New York, engraved on a plate one-eighth of an inch square 12,000 letters. The Iliad contains 501,930 letters, and would therefore occupy 42 such plates engraved on both sides. Huet has proved by experiment that a parchment 27 by 21 centimètres would contain the entire Iliad, and such a parchment would go into a common-sized nut; but Mr. Toppan's engraving would get the whole Iliad into half that size. George P. Marsh says, in his Lectures, he has seen the entire Arabic Koran in a parchment roll four inches wide and half an inch in diameter. (See ILIAD.) 1
: To lie in a nutshell. To be explained in a few words; to be capable of easy solution."

 

[Doomsday101]

I did not have a problem with him playing Henson that Chicago game, I just did not like the conservative passing game that was called in that first half. It was too predictable and short and I believe what caused most of the problems for Henson that game. They needed to open it up that game not throw short and let the defense collapse on him. We were running the ball with ease and we should have opened up the passing game. It was just a poor game plan IMO.

There was nothing wrong with the game plan, Vinny came in and won with that game plan. Henson after being away for 3 years at that time was not ready and had no business being on the field. I know many fans and Jerry wanted to see him but he was not ready. Heck it normally takes a bit of time for most rookies coming right out college and Henson was further behind than your avg. rookie QB. He needed to sit and learn while continuing to work on his game. That did not happen I do think it had a negative effect on him.

 

[Hostile]

Best I could find...

: IN A NUTSHELL - From the archives: Entry for "Nutshell", _Dictionary of Phrase and Fable_, E. Cobham Brewer, 1898: "The Iliad in a nutshell. Pliny tells us that Cicero asserts that the whole Iliad was written on a piece of parchment which might be put into a nutshell. Lalanne describes, in his Curiosités Bibliographiques, an edition of Rochefoucault's Maxims, published by Didot in 1829, on pages one inch square, each page containing 26 lines, and each line 44 letters. Charles Toppan, of New York, engraved on a plate one-eighth of an inch square 12,000 letters. The Iliad contains 501,930 letters, and would therefore occupy 42 such plates engraved on both sides. Huet has proved by experiment that a parchment 27 by 21 centimètres would contain the entire Iliad, and such a parchment would go into a common-sized nut; but Mr. Toppan's engraving would get the whole Iliad into half that size. George P. Marsh says, in his Lectures, he has seen the entire Arabic Koran in a parchment roll four inches wide and half an inch in diameter. (See ILIAD.) 1
: To lie in a nutshell. To be explained in a few words; to be capable of easy solution."

Thanks Kil.

Much more interesting to me.