Here is how I would break down the 11 draft picks

[tm1119]

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I wouldn't consider a TE or CB in round 1 but I would in round 2. Amaro is as good a TE as I've seen in college EVER.
There are a couple CBs I'd gladly take as they'd be cheap Carr replacements.

As a rebuilding team we can't pass elite value in r2 IMHO.

Don't watch a lot of college football huh? I say that jokingly, but I am pretty sure you are the only person on the planet with that opinion. Just out of curiosity, what makes you come up with such a bold stance on him?

 

[ThreeandOut]

The draft for need stench is strong in this thread.

Not a strong as the stink that will be raised when they don't actually draft to those needs.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

well, that's the gist of what I was going for, this year it's the WR's turn.

As opposed to the other few or 20 players he's drafted early.

I get it. I don't think its entirely true but I get it. Only guys in the past 20 years I can think they MAY have drafted a bit early were Felix Jones and Barbie Carpenter. In part because of what Felix was going to mean to this team which was a change of pace back. And we know Barbie was a Parcells pick anyway.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Not a strong as the stink that will be raised when they don't actually draft to those needs.

You can argue that every position is a NEED at this point.

 

[noshame]

I get it. I don't think its entirely true but I get it. Only guys in the past 20 years I can think they MAY have drafted a bit early were Felix Jones and Barbie Carpenter. In part because of what Felix was going to mean to this team which was a change of pace back. And we know Barbie was a Parcells pick anyway.

How can you leave out Quincy Carter?

 

[reddyuta]

I think people are going to be disappointed with the amount of DL drafted.....again. Jerry is going to take a DE early, but after that I could see 1 DT in the 4th/5th and another DE in the 7th or something along those lines. Marinelli seems to think he can piece together a d line so it won't surprise me if they think McClain, Hayden, Crawford and Bass is plenty to compliment Melton.

this looks like a likely scenario.

 

[waving monkey]

When has Jerry every drafted a receiver in the 1st round that had a 2nd round grade on him? Y'all really make Jerry and co. out to be worse than they really are. Now if you had said tight end fair enough but even then that has never happened. lol

I disagree with 'noshame' defense is not set because they got some FA guys.It's defense turn thats been the cycle the last three years

 

[waving monkey]

this looks like a likely scenario.

then I truly would be disappointed

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

How can you leave out Quincy Carter?

Because Quincy was a 2nd round pick we took 2 rounds too early. IW as speaking on 1st rounders lol.

I disagree with 'noshame' defense is not set because they got some FA guys.It's defense turn thats been the cycle the last three years

Yea its no way its set.......any position can be upgraded. I don't care what it is aside from tight end.

 

[noshame]

I disagree with 'noshame' defense is not set because they got some FA guys.It's defense turn thats been the cycle the last three years

I disagree with 'noshame' defense is not set because they got some FA guys.It's defense turn thats been the cycle the last three years

Jerry likes to get his new coaches a new toy, Rod got a FA, so he's set till at least the 2nd.

I swear, some of you need another coffee or 1 less beer before posting. lol

 

[waving monkey]

Jerry likes to get his new coaches a new toy, Rod got a FA, so he's set till at least the 2nd.

I swear, some of you need another coffee or 1 less beer before posting. lol

well I still disagree and I think I got it right ,the first three rounds will be defense, or I have missed your meaning again?

 

[jterrell]

Don't watch a lot of college football huh? I say that jokingly, but I am pretty sure you are the only person on the planet with that opinion. Just out of curiosity, what makes you come up with such a bold stance on him?

Ummm, having watched him play.
Have other collegiate TE's you'd like to compare?

Last year he had 106 receptions.... yes 106.
He had 7 receiving TDs and 1352 yards receiving.

That was 1st for in the Big 12 in both yards and catches and 3rd in total yards from scrimmage... for a TIGHT END.

 

[tm1119]

Ummm, having watched him play.
Have other collegiate TE's you'd like to compare?

Last year he had 106 receptions.... yes 106.
He had 7 receiving TDs and 1352 yards receiving.

That was 1st for in the Big 12 in both yards and catches and 3rd in total yards from scrimmage... for a TIGHT END.

He played for Texas Tech. They threw the ball 714 times last year which comes out to 55 times a game. You don't think that maybe, just maybe, those stats are a little inflated? Did you go to Texas Tech and or live right near there or something? You're usually a good poster with good opinions but calling Jace Amaro the best TE prospect you've ever seen is pretty crazy man.

 

[noshame]

well I still disagree and I think I got it right ,the first three rounds will be defense, or I have missed your meaning again?

I was solely making the point that Jones gets all his new coordinators a new toy to play with, so the FA filled that for Rod, he's set (with the new toy). Not the defense is set in any way shape or form.

The second part is, now he has to get his passing game coach a new toy, so he'll likely spend his first round pick on a WR. Just a hunch.

 

[waving monkey]

OK we'll see. I am banking on the last three years history. You may be right.

 

[jterrell]

He played for Texas Tech. They threw the ball 714 times last year which comes out to 55 times a game. You don't think that maybe, just maybe, those stats are a little inflated? Did you go to Texas Tech and or live right near there or something? You're usually a good poster with good opinions but calling Jace Amaro the best TE prospect you've ever seen is pretty crazy man.

No offense but same was said of Wes Welker and Danny Amendola.

If you want to compare TE's feel free.
I am not talking about possible ceiling I am talking about TE play on the collegiate level.
And yes I played football for Tech in the early 90s.
But, FWIW, I am very tough generally on Tech NFL prospects.

Amaro was a 5 star TE out of San Antonio.
He was good long before he showed it at Tech.
But what he did last season was absolutely superb.

Tech is pass happy to be sure but Amaro was the best WR and only TE(they played) on the team.
Arguably the best receiving option they've ever had in this system(over even Dallas' own Crabtree).

 

[tm1119]

No offense but same was said of Wes Welker and Danny Amendola.

If you want to compare TE's feel free.
I am not talking about possible ceiling I am talking about TE play on the collegiate level.
And yes I played football for Tech in the early 90s.
But, FWIW, I am very tough generally on Tech NFL prospects.

Amaro was a 5 star TE out of San Antonio.
He was good long before he showed it at Tech.
But what he did last season was absolutely superb.

Tech is pass happy to be sure but Amaro was the best WR and only TE(they played) on the team.
Arguably the best receiving option they've ever had in this system(over even Dallas' own Crabtree).

I'd like to preface this by saying Amaro is indeed a good prospect, and wold make a good 2nd round pick for any TE needy team in most drafts. But with that said....

Amaro reminds me of Escobar honestly. His size is an obvious plus and he has above average straight line speed. However, he seems a bit stiff and also tends to run upright and I think his very pedestrian 7.42 3 cone drill is proof of that. He is a good natural hand catcher and knows how to sit in space, but that space was 10x more abundant in Texas Tech's offense than its going to be in the NFL. All of that combined with the fact that he's a pretty disinterested blocker makes him a good, not great, TE prospect. If you're going by purely college production, you're right, I probably can't name a TE with better #'s. But if we are talking better overall NFL prospects I could name you plenty just in resent drafts. And I would start with Ebron. Gronk, Davis, Eifert, Gresham, Fleener....I'm sure you'll have a heart attack over a few of those

 

[jterrell]

I'd like to preface this by saying Amaro is indeed a good prospect, and wold make a good 2nd round pick for any TE needy team in most drafts. But with that said....

Amaro reminds me of Escobar honestly. His size is an obvious plus and he has above average straight line speed. However, he seems a bit stiff and also tends to run upright and I think his very pedestrian 7.42 3 cone drill is proof of that. He is a good natural hand catcher and knows how to sit in space, but that space was 10x more abundant in Texas Tech's offense than its going to be in the NFL. All of that combined with the fact that he's a pretty disinterested blocker makes him a good, not great, TE prospect. If you're going by purely college production, you're right, I probably can't name a TE with better #'s. But if we are talking better overall NFL prospects I could name you plenty just in resent drafts. And I would start with Ebron. Gronk, Davis, Eifert, Gresham, Fleener....I'm sure you'll have a heart attack over a few of those

Let me preface this by also... you were the one with a heart attack over my original statement that Jace Amaro is the best college TE I have ever seen.
I stand by that.
I fully realize most view him as only the 2nd or 3rd best TE prospect in this draft class.
That's fine but none of those guys were better on the football field.

Amaro was not a disinterested blocker by any means.
He was in fact a huge key for TE in that area.
Tech simply didn't have the RB talent to run it like Kingsbury would have liked.

Now onto the obvious:
Combine numbers:
Amaro ran a 4-74 40 which is clearly not elite BUT it was the 5th best 40 time by a TE this year.
His vert leap, 225 presses, both shuttles were also top 5 marks by a TE in this class.

Eric Ebron is a phsyical freak but he is shorter, weighs less, has a lesser vert leap and benched 225 less times than Jace Amaro and caught 400 less receiving yards....
But yes he is fast.
Ebron will very likely be drafted higher than Jace Amaro but make no mistake Amaro was the better college football player BY FAR.

Jason Witten was 6'5" and 264 pounds coming out. He had a vert leap of 31" and benched 225 25 times. He had a pro day 40 of 4.65.

Jace Amaro is 6'5" and 265 pounds with a vert leap of 33" and benched 225 28 times and posted a pro day 40 of 4.68.


So Amaro is at athletic as you need to be a Pro Bowl caliber TE in the NFL and he has off the charts collegiate production.

FWIW the modern day archetype is Gronk right?
6'6" 258 pounds Ran 4.68 in the 40....
33.5 vert leap. 23 presses of 225.

Looks like Amaro's twin.....

 

[jterrell]

BTW, Escobar posted all of 12 reps at 225... perhaps why he isnt a good blocker.
He also is far less athletic than Amaro in every measurement.