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TheRomoSexual;5029126 said:
I disagree with this assessment. In my opinion, Joeckel, Fisher, Johnson, Fluker, Watson, and Armstead would be starters from day 1, whereas I only feel the same confidence towards Cooper and Warmack with regard to guard prospects.

Dallas Thomas will be a day one starter and can play either T or G. Justin Pugh likely as well.
 

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RS12;5029132 said:
Dallas Thomas will be a day one starter and can play either T or G. Justin Pugh likely as well.

I have my doubts about Pugh. He's never played guard, and I have my doubts that he has the strength and frame to be a sold NFL guard. I'm a big fan of Thomas, but he is a tweener so I didn't include him.
 

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TheRomoSexual;5029126 said:
I disagree with this assessment. In my opinion, Joeckel, Fisher, Johnson, Fluker, Watson, and Armstead would be starters from day 1, whereas I only feel the same confidence towards Cooper and Warmack with regard to guard prospects.

Point taken.

I would still prefer to see Dallas sign a starting-quality tackle for a third-tier price.
 

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ABQcowboyJR;5029029 said:
Don't be surprised if Vaccaro is the pick at 18.

I expect that is what happens -- I hope the two guards are off the board at that point if it does happen though
 

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theranchsucks;5029008 said:
Dallas will sign a guard, preferably right to let Bernie compete with Costa at center and if any injury to either starting guard Bernie could slide in and costa to center. We will draft an offensive tackle in the first three rounds, most likely the top two rounds. This tackle will be expected to start, but will compete and have to beat out Parnell. We will sign a low budget safety, and I wouldn't doubt it if it will be barber..........smart player who knows the system more than anyone, who could help the safeties, corners, and even lbs too. He would be another coach on the field both in games and during practices. This also will allow us to see what happens with Matt Johnson. For all of u hoping satey in the first, get over it. Not going to happen. Varraco is not Eric berry, or earl Thomas. Most likely we will take someone in round 3 or 4 unless there is someone who slid to the round 2 pick. The signings of a guard and safety allow us to go defensive line and offensive line in rounds 1 and 2. Hasn't anyone here noticed the past 3 years or so the cowboys have been doing a decent job of signing guys to allow them to go pretty much bpa.

Sounds about right...
 

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TheRomoSexual;5029126 said:
I disagree with this assessment. In my opinion, Joeckel, Fisher, Johnson, Fluker, Watson, and Armstead would be starters from day 1, whereas I only feel the same confidence towards Cooper and Warmack with regard to guard prospects.
so you don't think parnell can be a player, because if you take a tackle then you write him off
 

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conner01;5029175 said:
so you don't think parnell can be a player, because if you take a tackle then you write him off

I like Parnell, but I think he is best suited to be our swing tackle.
 

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conner01;5029175 said:
so you don't think parnell can be a player, because if you take a tackle then you write him off

No, it doesn't work like that.

You aren't writing Parnell off if you take a tackle.

If Parnell is good enough he can force the rookie inside - most of the tackles in this draft save for the top three either have played G or look like they could fit there pretty well.

This, by the way, is what taking the best player available looks like.
 

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AbeBeta;5029185 said:
No, it doesn't work like that.

You aren't writing Parnell off if you take a tackle.

If Parnell is good enough he can force the rookie inside - most of the tackles in this draft save for the top three either have played G or look like they could fit there pretty well.

This, by the way, is what taking the best player available looks like.
i'm not a fan of drafting a tackle in the first round then moving him to guard. then you have to pay parnell and have a guy with a first round contract playing out of position. seems to me you give parnell his shot and see what he can do. sign a vet for insurance and if he struggles then you look next year for a tackle. gonna have to pay parnell soon and seems like you want to see him play before you pay
 

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Drafting a tackle means nothing about Parnell....it means we need another tackle since Free is likely to be gone. Parnell is playing on a cheap deal....more suited to be swing tackle to be honest.
 

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theranchsucks;5029008 said:
Dallas will sign a guard, preferably right to let Bernie compete with Costa at center and if any injury to either starting guard Bernie could slide in and costa to center. We will draft an offensive tackle in the first three rounds, most likely the top two rounds. This tackle will be expected to start, but will compete and have to beat out Parnell. We will sign a low budget safety, and I wouldn't doubt it if it will be barber..........smart player who knows the system more than anyone, who could help the safeties, corners, and even lbs too. He would be another coach on the field both in games and during practices. This also will allow us to see what happens with Matt Johnson. For all of u hoping satey in the first, get over it. Not going to happen. Varraco is not Eric berry, or earl Thomas. Most likely we will take someone in round 3 or 4 unless there is someone who slid to the round 2 pick. The signings of a guard and safety allow us to go defensive line and offensive line in rounds 1 and 2. Hasn't anyone here noticed the past 3 years or so the cowboys have been doing a decent job of signing guys to allow them to go pretty much bpa.

I sure hope y'all don't get upset real easy because I truly believe that our first 3 picks in the draft will be DL/Safety/RB in some order. We may possibly take an OL in the 4th - probably someone from a small school who won't have the body type or strength to play before 2015 if ever.

You foks seem to ignore everything Jerry has said since the end of the year about the OL:
1. The week after the season ended he said how much the OL's play had improved down the stretch.
2. In that same alchohol-induced interview he mentioned that Free's play had gotten much better and his coaches had told him that Free's problems were due to "technique" errors and not lack of talent.
3. He spoke a week or so later about how more continuity on the OL would result in much better play regardless of the talent level.
4. Last week he talked about Romo not needing great play from the OL because he was so good at evading the rush and that what Tony needed were more targets/playmakers instead.

You take these statements and add them to his obvious disdain for the importance of devoting resources to the OL (obvious from his lack of high draft picks in this area in the last 17 years or so) and you are left with the inescapable (to me) conclusion that Jerry believes that he has the players already on the roster that he needs to form a championship caliber OL. I don't think anybody but Jerry believes this but Jerry is the only one that matters in this case.

I feel sure that after signing a low tier guard or tackle in FA (almost certainly a lesser talent than Livings or Bernadeaux last year) and a 4th round or later OL pick in the draft that will be it as far as new OL talent goes. Then beginning with OTAs and continuing through training camp we will hear the massive spin that this OL is looking so much better than in 2012 due to health, continuity and getting our all-world center (Costa) back healthy. We will enter the 2013 regular season with basically the same personnel on the OL that we ended 2012 with and at the end of 2013 we will be in the same position we are now - talking about how we need to improve our OL in order to get any better. Only by then we will have wasted another year of the careers of Romo, Ware and Witten.

Rinse and repeat! I hope you are prepared!


Monte Sliger
 

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Fansince64;5029288 said:
I sure hope y'all don't get upset real easy because I truly believe that our first 3 picks in the draft will be DL/Safety/RB in some order. We may possibly take an OL in the 4th - probably someone from a small school who won't have the body type or strength to play before 2015 if ever.

You foks seem to ignore everything Jerry has said since the end of the year about the OL:
1. The week after the season ended he said how much the OL's play had improved down the stretch.
2. In that same alchohol-induced interview he mentioned that Free's play had gotten much better and his coaches had told him that Free's problems were due to "technique" errors and not lack of talent.
3. He spoke a week or so later about how more continuity on the OL would result in much better play regardless of the talent level.
4. Last week he talked about Romo not needing great play from the OL because he was so good at evading the rush and that what Tony needed were more targets/playmakers instead.

Swap TE or WR for RB and I could totally see it. Jerry already talked about drafting skill players and I seriously doubt he was kidding.
 

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TheRomoSexual;5029126 said:
I disagree with this assessment. In my opinion, Joeckel, Fisher, Johnson, Fluker, Watson, and Armstead would be starters from day 1, whereas I only feel the same confidence towards Cooper and Warmack with regard to guard prospects.


Very scared of Fluker...........stay away, stay far away. I bet a lot of people on this board will be in shock when this guy goes mid to late 2nd round, but I am not one of them. If I had to grade him he would be a 3rd round pick.
 

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theranchsucks;5029522 said:
Very scared of Fluker...........stay away, stay far away. I bet a lot of people on this board will be in shock when this guy goes mid to late 2nd round, but I am not one of them. If I had to grade him he would be a 3rd round pick.

I'll bet you $50 he's a first-round pick.
 

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TheRomoSexual;5029534 said:
I'll bet you $50 he's a first-round pick.


As long as he's not OUR 1st round pick.


BUut...by all means PLEASE GO TRENCHES.


In the 1st Round in the trenches your Dallas Cowoys should be down with selecting OTs Lane Johnson/Eric Fisher, Guards Chance Womack and Jonathon Cooper on the Oline.

DLine DT Sheldon Richardson/Star Lotulelie then DEs Demontre Moore and Ezekial Ansah!
 

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theranchsucks;5029008 said:
Dallas will sign a guard, preferably right to let Bernie compete with Costa at center and if any injury to either starting guard Bernie could slide in and costa to center. We will draft an offensive tackle in the first three rounds, most likely the top two rounds. This tackle will be expected to start, but will compete and have to beat out Parnell. We will sign a low budget safety, and I wouldn't doubt it if it will be barber..........smart player who knows the system more than anyone, who could help the safeties, corners, and even lbs too. He would be another coach on the field both in games and during practices. This also will allow us to see what happens with Matt Johnson. For all of u hoping satey in the first, get over it. Not going to happen. Varraco is not Eric berry, or earl Thomas. Most likely we will take someone in round 3 or 4 unless there is someone who slid to the round 2 pick. The signings of a guard and safety allow us to go defensive line and offensive line in rounds 1 and 2. Hasn't anyone here noticed the past 3 years or so the cowboys have been doing a decent job of signing guys to allow them to go pretty much bpa.

1) The Dallas seem to have interest in a couple of former Jets to at least provide depth at guard, so I can see that happening.

2) Although I could see competition brought in for Parnell. I think it's more likely we get a guard/tackle type such as D.J. Fluker. That way if Parnell proves he deserves to start, the draftee can compete for a starting guard spot.

3) I agree on safety, particularly with Dallas intrigued by Church and Johnson. I don't know if the Cowboys would pass on Vaccaro if he's at 18.

4) Interior defensive line could end up being the first-round pick since we're aging there. I'm not counting on it because other positions have a greater need of being upgraded, but we do need to get younger on the DL.
 

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TheRomoSexual;5029534 said:
I'll bet you $50 he's a first-round pick.

I'll take that......this guys got Vladimir Ducasse written all over him.
 

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Fansince64;5029288 said:
I sure hope y'all don't get upset real easy because I truly believe that our first 3 picks in the draft will be DL/Safety/RB in some order. We may possibly take an OL in the 4th - probably someone from a small school who won't have the body type or strength to play before 2015 if ever.

You foks seem to ignore everything Jerry has said since the end of the year about the OL:
1. The week after the season ended he said how much the OL's play had improved down the stretch.
2. In that same alchohol-induced interview he mentioned that Free's play had gotten much better and his coaches had told him that Free's problems were due to "technique" errors and not lack of talent.
3. He spoke a week or so later about how more continuity on the OL would result in much better play regardless of the talent level.
4. Last week he talked about Romo not needing great play from the OL because he was so good at evading the rush and that what Tony needed were more targets/playmakers instead.

You take these statements and add them to his obvious disdain for the importance of devoting resources to the OL (obvious from his lack of high draft picks in this area in the last 17 years or so) and you are left with the inescapable (to me) conclusion that Jerry believes that he has the players already on the roster that he needs to form a championship caliber OL. I don't think anybody but Jerry believes this but Jerry is the only one that matters in this case.

I feel sure that after signing a low tier guard or tackle in FA (almost certainly a lesser talent than Livings or Bernadeaux last year) and a 4th round or later OL pick in the draft that will be it as far as new OL talent goes. Then beginning with OTAs and continuing through training camp we will hear the massive spin that this OL is looking so much better than in 2012 due to health, continuity and getting our all-world center (Costa) back healthy. We will enter the 2013 regular season with basically the same personnel on the OL that we ended 2012 with and at the end of 2013 we will be in the same position we are now - talking about how we need to improve our OL in order to get any better. Only by then we will have wasted another year of the careers of Romo, Ware and Witten.

Rinse and repeat! I hope you are prepared!


Monte Sliger

I can see this happening! Jerry is not going to go out and sign a high priced OL in FA a year after signing his prized OL, Livings and Berny. I full expect the same 5 who started the year last year on the OL to be the same starters this year. Jerry will come out and say that they will improve their health and an off season. Half the people here will cheer and talk about what a great GM Jerry is and the other half will call him an idiot.

I expect the drat to go DE, TE, RB, and injured player or a project, a QB and an OL from a small directional school or an OL who was a career backup in college. Safeties and OLinemen don't sell jerseys.
 

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We need a LG, not a RG. Livings belongs at RG.

My question is who is this guard in free agency that we are going to sign? I don't see anybody left that is going to be anything more than just another big body. Brandon Moore? Ehh hes probably better than Mack, sure, but he's just another temporary stop gap.

I think the FA options at RT are much better. Sign 1 of Ryan Harris, Bryant McKinnie, Max Starks, Eric Winston, or Sebastian Vollmer and draft either Warmack or Cooper to play LG and the o line is much better than last year.

Draft I'd go guard 1st and then best available safety in the 2nd.
 
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