Here's why Dez Bryant is the real problem for the Dallas Cowboys

[rpntex]

You are the one with some real puzzlers in this thread and you were the one attacking.

The show is the Lombardi/Wright show. They were jointly discussing Dez's stats and shortcomings. Lombardi knows his **** as well as anyone.

Here are the facts they alluded to:
Out of 83 Wide Receivers documented on Football Outsiders Dez ranks 76th in catch rate.

He has been targeted 80 times this season, with 38 catches...a 48% catch rate. The Dez-Dak combo catch rate isn't *literally* the worst but it's in the bottom 10%.

The combo was 1-8 and 2 INT on Sunday's game.

The stat they referenced was catch rate, not YPG, YPC, DYAR or other metrics.

Clearly the gist of what they were saying was accurate...it is very relevant to the Cowboys current problems...and your attacks of Lombardi/Wright are really more about you then about them.

You wrongly attacked their facts and even stranger...you questioned their motives. I'd still love to hear this grand conspiracy you imagine...what dark intrigue you suspect of them.

Catch rate is a BS statistic. There are some "Target" that are just uncatchable. Dak and Dez were one of the eight Sunday night, yet at least three of those passes were either in the ground or over the receivers head. Fact of the matter is, as long as the quarterback gets hit in the same area code as the receiver, it goes on the books as a target.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

If the QB throw to Dez on anticipation it is likely to fail. The INT where he fell down is an example.

That's not really an anticipation throw. And falling down isn't really indicative of him as a WR. Could happen and does happen to all receivers once in a while.





YR

 

[xwalker]

That's not really an anticipation throw. And falling down isn't really indicative of him as a WR. Could happen and does happen to all receivers once in a while.





YR

He threw the ball with the expectation of Dez being there to catch it. He didn't wait for him to be wide open. That is what I call an anticipation throw.

The fall was not an accident. The fall was likely to happened based on the way Dez attempted to cut.

 

[T-RO]

Witten can get open and he is slow as molasses.

If Dez would have mastered route running and all techniques related to playing WR in the NFL, he would be able to get open way more often.

Witten can get open but if we subtract the Browns game, which was like a scrimmage against the girl scouts...his numbers this season look like this:

12 games
46 catches
444 yards

And even more sobering in the past 4 weeks--against good defenses--he's averaging just 24 yards per game.
12 catches
96 yards

He hasn't looked the same to me. I'd be curious to see what a scout sees.

 

[CT Dal Fan]

The national media makes me laugh.

Was Dez the real problem for the Cowboys during an eleven game winning streak? This teams stinks for three hours in Jersey and the frickin' sky is falling. Dez is an unproductive malcontent; Dak can't throw a football anymore, Jason Witten is a useless old fart, and the coaching staff has their heads so far up their behinds they can't wiggle their ears.

None of this is true. Just stop. The Cowboys are 11-2 and headed for the playoffs. Don't listen to Cowboy-hating sportswriters trying to manufacture a crisis out of a one game losing streak.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

They describe his cut that led to the INT. I tried to explain that he didn't use proper technique when making the cut which caused him to fall.
@FuzzyLumpkins claimed I was imagining it, but it appears that someone else saw a similar problem.

And here's why Dez is a difficult guy for anybody who plays quarterback, okay? Dez is a guy who plays fast when he knows where he's going. When there's a little bit of hesitation in Dez's game, like let's just take the two slants. The one that was intercepted, he did an outside release technique, kind of a funky one because Janoris Jenkins lured him into making that release, and he wasn't comfortable with what he did. And he got all tangled up and tried to get back inside, and that was the interception.

You said that he planted his foot at the wrong angle. I asked you what the right angle was and you still have nothing. I have no idea if you imagined or how you come up with your nonsense but your quote here doesn't say that he planted at the wrong angle.

I stated that he did and outside-in release where one fakes out and then plants to cut back inside on a juke. He did indeed get tangled up but that is not what you said. Congratulations on demonstrating how you were wrong. Self ownage is always amusing.

 

[xwalker]

You said that he planted his foot at the wrong angle. I asked you what the right angle was and you still have nothing. I have no idea if you imagined or how you come up with your nonsense but your quote here doesn't say that he planted at the wrong angle.

I stated that he did and outside-in release where one fakes out and then plants to cut back inside on a juke. He did indeed get tangled up but that is not what you said. Congratulations on demonstrating how you were wrong. Self ownage is always amusing.

Go back to watching Martin reruns and throwing darts at a John Wayne posters while wearing fake eyeglasses.. Leave the football stuff to other people.

 

[mugsybows]

so was belichick

If you're implying Lombardi is in the same league as belicheck then...

 

[T-RO]

Catch rate is a BS statistic. There are some "Target" that are just uncatchable. Dak and Dez were one of the eight Sunday night, yet at least three of those passes were either in the ground or over the receivers head. Fact of the matter is, as long as the quarterback gets hit in the same area code as the receiver, it goes on the books as a target.

Is it valid to judge a quarterback by his completion percentage?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Go back to watching Martin reruns and throwing darts at a John Wayne posters while wearing fake eyeglasses.. Leave the football stuff to other people.

So you have nothing on what angle is supposed to be and nothing on how what you initially claimed caused him to fall being mutually exclusive with what you quoted.

If you are such the football expert then you should be able to tell us what the proper angle should be.

Instead you go for this sad little deflection about John Wayne and myths about Martin Lawrence. Thanks for the white flag, chachi.

 

[xwalker]

So you have nothing on what angle is supposed to be and nothing on how what you initially claimed caused him to fall being mutually exclusive with what you quoted.

If you are such the football expert then you should be able to tell us what the proper angle should be.

Instead you go for this sad little deflection about John Wayne and myths about Martin Lawrence. Thanks for the white flag, chachi.

You have become one of those guys that it's pointless to have a discussion with because you will ignore anything that does not fit your agenda and will constantly belittle people and claim that they are the ones with an agenda.

Dez went past 43.73568 degrees but should not have gone past 60.069073 degrees on his cut.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You have become one of those guys that it's pointless to have a discussion with because you will ignore anything that does not fit your agenda and will constantly belittle people and claim that they are the ones with an agenda.

Dez went past 43.73568 degrees but should not have gone past 60.069073 degrees on his cut.

What exactly am ignoring? You stated he planted his foot at the wrong angle. I asked what the right angle is and outside of deflections about decades dead movie stars and quotes that don't corroborate what you claim you have nothing.

Now you are clearly making crap up. Dez got tangled up on his outside in move. It is that simple. Your quote corroborates it. Enjoy being wrong.

As for belittling people? How have I belittled you unfairly? Be specific.

It is really rich coming from someone trying to paint me in the negative because I don't like John Wayne and with the racist overtones by repetitively naming black actors and ascribing them to me. As if disliking Wayne means you only like black actors.

Quit whining and argue a point honestly and I will stop calling you out on your dissembling. Calling you out on intellectual cowardice may be belittling but that doesn't make it untrue.

 

[knightrider94]

 

[T-RO]

I asked what the right angle is and outside of deflections about decades dead movie stars and quotes that don't corroborate what you claim you have nothing.

Now you are clearly making crap up. Dez got tangled up on his outside in move. It is that simple. Your quote corroborates it. Enjoy being wrong.

Fuzzy I think you are the one who must enjoy that privilege (being wrong)

I stand with xWalker on this. I suspect a receiver coach would have serious issues with Dez's footwork on this route. That was some curious footwork from a receiver.

Everyone can see it in the clip I prepped below. There is some motion blur and NFL.com had a weird overlay across the top...but you can see his footwork.

You've accused xWalker of cowardice, whining and worse on this. If you are a man of honor...you'll apologize. (how you could accuse a guy of cowardice on such a topic is beyond me.)

Dez route SlowMo video:
http://jumpdatasolutions.com/DezSlip_SlowMo.mov

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Fuzzy I think you are the one who must enjoy that privilege (being wrong)

I stand with xWalker on this. I suspect a receiver coach would have serious issues with Dez's footwork on this route. That was some curious footwork from a receiver.

Everyone can see it in the clip I prepped below. There is some motion blur and NFL.com had a weird overlay across the top...but you can see his footwork.

You've accused xWalker of cowardice, whining and worse on this. If you are a man of honor...you'll apologize. (how you could accuse a guy of cowardice on such a topic is beyond me.)

Dez route SlowMo video:
http://jumpdatasolutions.com/DezSlip_SlowMo.mov

Again what is the right footwork? I keep asking and I keep seeing dodges.

It's funny that you speak of honor when I try and talk football and he wants to talk John Wayne and to paint me as a racist in place of real discussion.

Until I see merit honored I stand by my statement.

And lets be clear. He said that Dez planted at the wrong angle not the generalized footwork comment. No one is arguing that Dez got tied up which was the root of the problem.

 

[xwalker]

Again what is the right footwork? I keep asking and I keep seeing dodges.

It's funny that you speak of honor when I try and talk football and he wants to talk John Wayne and to paint me as a racist in place of real discussion.

Until I see merit honored I stand by my statement.

And lets be clear. He said that Dez planted at the wrong angle not the generalized footwork comment. No one is arguing that Dez got tied up which was the root of the problem.

I gave you the numbers.

 

[T-RO]

Again what is the right footwork? I keep asking and I keep seeing dodges.

It's funny that you speak of honor when I try and talk football and he wants to talk John Wayne and to paint me as a racist in place of real discussion.

Until I see merit honored I stand by my statement.

And lets be clear. He said that Dez planted at the wrong angle not the generalized footwork comment. No one is arguing that Dez got tied up which was the root of the problem.

Someone needs to explain simple physics of walking and running? Seriously?!?

Little hint: if you are going to cut to your right...your right foot doesn't go in the lead position...you have to cross-over with your left. If you need more explanation that that and can't see the flaws in Dez's footwork from the slow-mo....pretty clear you are just choosing to be stubborn and vain.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Someone needs to explain simple physics of walking and running? Seriously?!?

Little hint: if you are going to cut to your right...your right foot doesn't go in the lead position...you have to cross-over with your left. If you need more explanation that that and can't see the flaws in Dez's footwork from the slow-mo....pretty clear you are just choosing to be stubborn and vain.

Again he said Dez planted his foot at the wrong angle which is nothing what you are talking about here. I'm not arguing that Dez didn't stumble getting his feet crossed.

Dez got caught up in the jam and stumbled. It had nothing to do with the 'angle.' Try and keep up.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I gave you the numbers.

Which you pulled out of your butt just like the initial statement.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

He threw the ball with the expectation of Dez being there to catch it. He didn't wait for him to be wide open. That is what I call an anticipation throw.

It's a 1-read throw. It's not an anticipation throw. Take something like a crossing route against a Cover-3 shell where the QB has to scan the defense, look the other side and feel for when he needs to throw the ball and where he needs to throw as the receiver will get to the ball. All he's doing on a slant is making 1-read and leading him to the spot. Not even close to being the same thing.




YR