Higgs Boson comfirmation leaked from CERN.

[YosemiteSam]

We've all suspected this was coming. It's all but official now.

Some of you will look at this and say "whatever, I've never even heard of a Higgs boson", but this is actually a pretty big deal. Big as in one of the biggest discoveries in the last 50 years. Considering how fast technology and physics information discovery is moving forward. That is definitely a big deal.

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CMS spokesman: 'We've observed a new particle'

A video that was briefly made public on the CERN website July 3 confirms that the European physics lab has discovered a new particle — most likely the long-sought Higgs boson.

"We've observed a new particle ... we have quite strong evidence that there's something there" with a mass roughly 130 times the mass of the proton, Joe Incandela, spokesman for the CMS experiment at CERN's Large Hadron Collider, says in the video, which now resides in a password-protected part of the lab's website. "This is the most massive such particle that exists, if we confirm all of this — which I think we will."

CERN officials have scheduled a major announcement on July 4 that is increasingly expected to declare the search successful.

Complete Story

 

[Hostile]

I bet there will be fireworks tomorrow.

 

[rkell87]

We've all suspected this was coming. It's all but official now.

Some of you will look at this and say "whatever, I've never even heard of a Higgs boson", but this is actually a pretty big deal. Big as in one of the biggest discoveries in the last 50 years. Considering how fast technology and physics information discovery is moving forward. That is definitely a big deal.

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CMS spokesman: 'We've observed a new particle'

A video that was briefly made public on the CERN website July 3 confirms that the European physics lab has discovered a new particle — most likely the long-sought Higgs boson.

"We've observed a new particle ... we have quite strong evidence that there's something there" with a mass roughly 130 times the mass of the proton, Joe Incandela, spokesman for the CMS experiment at CERN's Large Hadron Collider, says in the video, which now resides in a password-protected part of the lab's website. "This is the most massive such particle that exists, if we confirm all of this — which I think we will."

CERN officials have scheduled a major announcement on July 4 that is increasingly expected to declare the search successful.

Complete Story

it isn't the higgs boson, I've seen multiple stories on this and it seems that they have discovered a new particle and that they think it 'proves' that the higgs boson exists but they haven't actually observed the boson. We should find out tomorrow but don't get your hopes up

 

[rkell87]

I'm pretty sure it will be this one Ξ∗0b a group of baryons, each of which comprises one strange quark, one b quark (meaning bottom or beauty), and a third quark.

 

[Tricked]

I bet there will be fireworks tomorrow.

:laugh2: Hostile made a funny.

 

[rkell87]

here is a link to the live webcast at 8 am(i think) http://webcast.web.cern.ch/webcast/

 

[YosemiteSam]

rkell87,

While I seem to understand somewhat what you are implying. Your statements are not clear.

Please explain.

This seems to imply the Higgs being that it is at the expected/impled "attributes" if you get my meaning.

 

[rkell87]

rkell87,

While I seem to understand somewhat what you are implying. Your statements are not clear.

Please explain.

This seems to imply the Higgs being that it is at the expected/impled "attributes" if you get my meaning.

basically they have found a shadow and a foot print if you will, of the higgs boson. The foot print being the new particle I posted above that they believe originated from the higgs boson but they have yet to actually see the particle itself. At least that is my understanding from the reports that have been 'leaked' over the past month.

here is a quote that I think describes what might take place tomorrow

But two independent teams of physicists are cautious after decades of work and billions of dollars spent. They don't plan to use the word "discovery." They say they will come as close as possible to a "eureka" announcement without overstating their findings.

"I agree that any reasonable outside observer would say, 'It looks like a discovery,'" said British theoretical physicist John Ellis, a professor at King's College London who has worked at CERN since the 1970s. "We've discovered something which is consistent with being a Higgs."

.....Roser compared the results that scientists will announce Wednesday to finding the fossilized imprint of a dinosaur: "You see the footprints and the shadow of the object, but you don't actually see it."






basically they have 'proved' that it exists but they haven't 'discovered' it

 

[ScipioCowboy]

rkell87,

While I seem to understand somewhat what you are implying. Your statements are not clear.

Please explain.

This seems to imply the Higgs being that it is at the expected/impled "attributes" if you get my meaning.

I perused the wiki entry on Higgs Boson, and based on my understanding of the article, it seems that Higgs Boson particles decay before they can be measured. However, based on their hypothetical understanding of Higgs Boson, physicists predict that the decay should release certain other particles.

Experiments have confirmed the existence of these "certain other particles", even though Higgs Boson can never be truly measured.

 

[rkell87]

I perused the wiki entry on Higgs Boson, and based on my understanding of the article, it seems that Higgs Boson particles decay before they can be measured. However, based on their hypothetical understanding of Higgs Boson, physicists predict that the decay should release certain other particles.

Experiments have confirmed the existence of these "certain other particles", even though Higgs Boson can never be truly measured.

that was true previous to the LHC, the whole reason for the LHC was to actually see the higgs boson. But yes The particle I posted above is what I think they have discovered as a result of the decay of the higgs boson, that was previously undiscovered.

 

[Tabascocat]

Is this the "God's particle" I have hearing about?

I have not read up on any of this yet, busy few days.

 

[rkell87]

Is this the "God's particle" I have hearing about?

I have not read up on any of this yet, busy few days.

yes, without it, nothing would exist(until they find something else) but it isn't god's particle, it's the god particle which is short for the ******** particle because the particle is so ******** hard to find(serious)

 

[MonsterD]

Saw a presser on it from CERN. It is a Boson, it is a scaler. They are doing further tests to make sure it is not a pseudo-scaler. A Boson does not mean THE Higgs Boson. Someone please explain what all that means to me.

 

[kmd24]

that was true previous to the LHC, the whole reason for the LHC was to actually see the higgs boson. But yes The particle I posted above is what I think they have discovered as a result of the decay of the higgs boson, that was previously undiscovered.

I am not a particle physicist, but my understanding is that the purpose of the LHC is to generate higher energy collisions. These energy of these collisions is high enough to allow the Higgs boson to be created as an intermediate, but there's still the fundamental problem of measuring it, which isn't solved by LHC. You still have to take the decay products to infer its existence.

Here's a fun video that explains it pretty well. It's an illustration of Jorge Chan's interview with Daniel Whiteson, a particle physicist working at the LHC.

 

[Duane]

From code_primate on Reddit:

"Actually, we observed a new state at 125 GeV and it seems consistent with a Standard Model Higgs boson. We have NOT discovered the SM Higgs boson because we simply haven't confirmed that this new particle is the SM Higgs because we're only looking at mass itself. It could be something else with a mass of 125 GeV. To actually claim it is the SM Higgs, we need to confirm that it has spin 0, the right coupling ratios, etc. And that's what I'm working on right now. But it is very exciting because we have discovered new physics.
Source: Working at CMS"​

 

[rkell87]

I am not a particle physicist, but my understanding is that the purpose of the LHC is to generate higher energy collisions. These energy of these collisions is high enough to allow the Higgs boson to be created as an intermediate, but there's still the fundamental problem of measuring it, which isn't solved by LHC. You still have to take the decay products to infer its existence.

Here's a fun video that explains it pretty well. It's an illustration of Jorge Chan's interview with Daniel Whiteson, a particle physicist working at the LHC.

I'm not either by any means, and the LHC is for higher energy collisions, but the higgs boson is the holy grail for these guys and a big reason for getting the 10 billion or so for the LHC was to get this thing discovered once and for all.

 

[rkell87]

Saw a presser on it from CERN. It is a Boson, it is a scaler. They are doing further tests to make sure it is not a pseudo-scaler. A Boson does not mean THE Higgs Boson. Someone please explain what all that means to me.

there are 6 bosons, two haven't been discovered yet(higgs and gravitron), as for scalars all I know is that I don't totally understand what they do lol:

 

[DFWJC]

Outstanding

 

[Hoofbite]

I am not a particle physicist, but my understanding is that the purpose of the LHC is to generate higher energy collisions. These energy of these collisions is high enough to allow the Higgs boson to be created as an intermediate, but there's still the fundamental problem of measuring it, which isn't solved by LHC. You still have to take the decay products to infer its existence.

Here's a fun video that explains it pretty well. It's an illustration of Jorge Chan's interview with Daniel Whiteson, a particle physicist working at the LHC.

Over a billion collisions thus far?

That's insane it can crank out that many.

 

[Muhast]

Over a billion collisions thus far?

That's insane it can crank out that many.

That is a large amount. I thought they said it was billions of collisions now.

I'm skeptical because last time they thought they discovered it(which was last year), it turned out to just be faulty equipment.

It's gonna be a long time before they ever find it.