Higgs Boson comfirmation leaked from CERN.

[wittenacious]

Yeah the Fred soon to be no longer working for this company virus :laugh1:

Poor Fred. LOL!

 

[Tabascocat]

Perhaps thru a black hole into a new universe as a 'white hole'. We don't know but it's possible it came from 'nothing' just like a particle can appear spontaneously.

A particle can appear from nothing, but it still appears from something, if that makes sense. The appearing particle arrived from our universe, hence the initial 'big bang' appeared out from something else, something (theoretically) had to have been surrounding the initial explosion.

This is a question no one will ever know, doesn't matter how many more billions of years this planet survives

 

[YosemiteSam]

There is a ten-billion dollar Collider Detector with a four mile circular tunnel underground at Fermilab in Batavia, IL that is solely devoted to this study, with 500 collaborators from 20 countries, representing 100 universities and institutions, experimenting 24 hours a day.

Just an FYI. Fermilab's Tevatron shutdown for good last September. They ran out of funding.

 

[rkell87]

Just an FYI. Fermilab's Tevatron shutdown for good last September. They ran out of funding.

I saw that, it really stinks.


but Brookhaven National Laboratory's RHIC just set a world record for temperature made by man at 4 trillion C which is pretty awesome



http://io9.com/5921496/a-new-record...created-a-whopping-4-trillion-degrees-celsius

 

[JonJon]

Can someone explain how the Higgs Field relates to the Zero Point Energy Field, or is there such a relation between the two?

 

[Tabascocat]

Can someone explain how the Higgs Field relates to the Zero Point Energy Field, or is there such a relation between the two?

It has been awhile since I took theoretical physics. If I understand it correctly, Zero-point energy exists in all quantum mechanical systems. It is basically the lowest energy possible in said system.

All of the fields in outer-space have zero-point energy also known as vacuum energy. The Higgs-Boson operates in a field that has zero-point energy.

Basically, they are linearly related, but not directly.

I have a hard time understanding all of the principles also, I am not anywhere near Einstein's mental capacity
This is what I gather from those two, but if someone digs deeper, I am sure they can elaborate in more detail.

 

[JonJon]

It has been awhile since I took theoretical physics. If I understand it correctly, Zero-point energy exists in all quantum mechanical systems. It is basically the lowest energy possible in said system.

All of the fields in outer-space have zero-point energy also known as vacuum energy. The Higgs-Boson operates in a field that has zero-point energy.

Basically, they are linearly related, but not directly.

I have a hard time understanding all of the principles also, I am not anywhere near Einstein's mental capacity
This is what I gather from those two, but if someone digs deeper, I am sure they can elaborate in more detail.

So if I understand correctly, it operates in the same principal as the statement that ice is always water, but water is not always ice? (broken down in simple terms).

 

[Tabascocat]

So if I understand correctly, it operates in the same principal as the statement that ice is always water, but water is not always ice? (broken down in simple terms).

I would say more like fish live in oceans and lakes but not all oceans and lakes have fish.

We know that 99.9% of our oceans and lakes do have fish (except the Dead Sea) but you get the gist of it.

Who knows, I could be way-off base here

 

[casmith07]

So...could the Higgs boson unlock teleportation...of a sort? Being able to separate particles from a Higgs field and transport them intact (somewhat) to another Higgs field?

 

[SDogo]

This topic is sexy

 

[jobberone]

A particle can appear from nothing, but it still appears from something, if that makes sense. The appearing particle arrived from our universe, hence the initial 'big bang' appeared out from something else, something (theoretically) had to have been surrounding the initial explosion.

This is a question no one will ever know, doesn't matter how many more billions of years this planet survives

Not a physicist but I read it quite often and it is possible for the singularity to arise from nothing although not sure I believe in a singularity or believe it did arise from nothing. In fact there is no certainty the Big Bang happened at all if you believe brane theory. What do I know? I'm just an interested amateur.

 

[Tabascocat]

Not a physicist but I read it quite often and it is possible for the singularity to arise from nothing although not sure I believe in a singularity or believe it did arise from nothing. In fact there is no certainty the Big Bang happened at all if you believe brane theory. What do I know? I'm just an interested amateur.

As am I. Really find this stuff interesting and how we all can speculate and probably can never be proven wrong anyways, heh

 

[jobberone]

Can someone explain how the Higgs Field relates to the Zero Point Energy Field, or is there such a relation between the two?

Very simplistically and I certainly don't understand it. Guage Bosons are carriers and exchange the electromagnetic, weak and strong forces. Those four unify to carry the electroweak force. There is symmetry breaking of that force which results in the Higgs field. For whatever reason the photon is left massless while the others have mass. I don't understand the potential energy of the vacuum whatever that is and they don't know how the Higgs results in a zero spin particle with no electric or color charge. I don't understand what a virtual particle is either. But that stuff is apparently important. Some of these particles are supposed to exert their influence over long distances but in fact don't. I don't understand why the Higgs boson appears out of nowhere or the 'vacuum' but it does. If you calculate all the potential energy of 'space' it doesn't correlate with what they measure.

So many questions and too little answers.

 

[jobberone]

So...could the Higgs boson unlock teleportation...of a sort? Being able to separate particles from a Higgs field and transport them intact (somewhat) to another Higgs field?

No, but they have already sort of teleported matter even if it's only a few atoms. If you 'entangle' matter then they can communicate with each other via quantum entanglement theoretically over vast distances although they have only done it over relatively short distances so far. Einstein predicted this and called it spooky action at a distance.

It doesn't sound like you could ever teleport anything complicated via entanglement but who knows. It is important for possible quantum computing and simple communications at a distance as time is not involved.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Not a physicist but I read it quite often and it is possible for the singularity to arise from nothing although not sure I believe in a singularity or believe it did arise from nothing. In fact there is no certainty the Big Bang happened at all if you believe brane theory. What do I know? I'm just an interested amateur.

Lets train-wreck the whole thread and take the physics question and apply philosophy. If physics could prove it was a singularity that arose from nothing, is it really a singularity and did it actually arise at all?

 

[YosemiteSam]

it isn't the higgs boson, I've seen multiple stories on this and it seems that they have discovered a new particle and that they think it 'proves' that the higgs boson exists but they haven't actually observed the boson. We should find out tomorrow but don't get your hopes up

btw, there is a 5 sigma level assurance that it *IS* in fact the Higgs Boson. Or 233 in 1,000,000 chance it's assured that it is the Higgs Boson.

That is kind of messy. So, in layman's terms. The change in it *NOT* being the Higgs Boson is 1 in about 4,292.

Of course. In full truth. 2 + 2 does NOT in fact equal 4! :laugh2:

 

[JonJon]

Very interesting stuff. At some point, scientist and physicist are going to have to include the spirit as the missing ingredient to life, what makes us who we are. As far as I know, it hasn't been measured or seen but has been believed that spirits encompass a physical body since the dawn of man. Maybe this discovery is a key element to unlocking that mystery as well.

 

[jwitten82]

Very interesting stuff. At some point, scientist and physicist are going to have to include the spirit as the missing ingredient to life, what makes us who we are. As far as I know, it hasn't been measured or seen but has been believed that spirits encompass a physical body since the dawn of man. Maybe this discovery is a key element to unlocking that mystery as well.

No they're not.

 

[JonJon]

No they're not.

Why not?

 

[jwitten82]

Why not?

Why would they?