Hill: No need at CB right now, but Moore would be top choice

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How bout picking up John "terminator" Conner and dropping Arkin. Funny thing is a top 3 runblocking fullback who plays good special teams is still available and would do WONDERS for our running game, but yet we waste a roster spot on a 4th guard in Arkin and a 4th tackle in Weems.
 

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How bout picking up John "terminator" Conner and dropping Arkin. Funny thing is a top 3 runblocking fullback who plays good special teams is still available and would do WONDERS for our running game, but yet we waste a roster spot on a 4th guard in Arkin and a 4th tackle in Weems.

If you sign a FB and insert him into the offense you are giving up on the 12 offense after only two weeks. As much as I am down on Garrett and Callahan at the moment, even I think that's a huge mistake.

We spent the entire offseason priming our roster and practicing in 2 TE formations with no FB. Throwing that out the window after two weeks would and should absolutely cost this entire offensive staff their jobs.
 

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I think Mo plays zone better than Moore does, do you not agree? It helps that he's got more length

I agree with the fact that he plays zone better than Moore, I was referencing your quote about Moore and pointing out in fact that Claiborne is a straight up man corner too and that was the reason we drafted him that high. Zone corners aren't top 10 picks. I honestly think Moore plays runs alot more aggressively than Mo.


But that won't stop me from sporting my #24 jersey Sunday

...lets go Cowboys.
 

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When he was asked at a press conference about picking up a FB to block for DeMarco and the running game, Garrett didn't rule it out; instead, he rambled a bit about how the selections might be limited by whoever is currently available as a free agent. I was surprised he didn't just dismiss it out of hand.
 

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another wasted first round pick from LSU

So far I painfully agree. I don't get what is happening with him. I really hope its the shoulder but I'm afraid it is not. Instead of putting himself in positions to make plays he puts himself in a position to not get beat. Hope his shoulder gets better and he proves me wrong.
 

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So far I painfully agree. I don't get what is happening with him. I really hope its the shoulder but I'm afraid it is not. Instead of putting himself in positions to make plays he puts himself in a position to not get beat. Hope his shoulder gets better and he proves me wrong.

It could be the fact that he's DEFINITELY not healthy between his knee and his shoulder. Is everyone forgetting that he basically missed the entire preseason because of a knee injury? I could tell in the Giants game how out of shape he was when Nicks caught that 58-yard post/slant and he could barely run when trying to catch him.
 

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If you sign a FB and insert him into the offense you are giving up on the 12 offense after only two weeks. As much as I am down on Garrett and Callahan at the moment, even I think that's a huge mistake.
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Thats a gross exaggeration. We run the 12 on less than half of our plays as it is, having a fullback as a lead blocker for 8 to 10 plays a game is hardly a bad idea, especially when that guy can also come in and play well on ST.
 

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Thats a gross exaggeration. We run the 12 on less than half of our plays as it is, having a fullback as a lead blocker for 8 to 10 plays a game is hardly a bad idea, especially when that guy can also come in and play well on ST.

Obviously I disagree. To me, it shows you've already given up on a fundamental stance you built your offseason around. Particularly when you used a second round pick on another TE. As I stated in another thread, I think it's more likely this team tries to find someone who can fulfill and H-back role. If one of these street fullbacks you guys are so enamored with can also line up and play TE, its a possibility. But, if that's the case, how foolish does the staff look for taking Escobar?

I also think you're incorrect about of frequency of running the 12 formation.
 

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Obviously I disagree. To me, it shows you've already given up on a fundamental stance you built your offseason around. Particularly when you used a second round pick on another TE. As I stated in another thread, I think it's more likely this team tries to find someone who can fulfill and H-back role. If one of these street fullbacks you guys are so enamored with can also line up and play TE, its a possibility.

I also think you're incorrect about of frequency of running the 12 formation.
I'll ask this...what's the difference between having an H-Back - Hanna - line up in the backfield, and having Connor do it? We havent established either Hanna or Escobar as enough of a threat in the passing game that other teams are going to drastically change their personnel and panic when we bring them in the game, so for the most part, they are just a FB who splits out and takes a defender away. Considering the fact that Hanna is in the backfield all the time, as a lead blocker of sorts, why not just have Connor, who is an absolute hammer, take that role?

You could add Connor and not change a thing about the offense except that you could be more effective running the ball in short yardage situations.
 

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I'll ask this...what's the difference between having an H-Back - Hanna - line up in the backfield, and having Connor do it? We havent established either Hanna or Escobar as enough of a threat in the passing game that other teams are going to drastically change their personnel and panic when we bring them in the game, so for the most part, they are just a FB who splits out and takes a defender away. Considering the fact that Hanna is in the backfield all the time, as a lead blocker of sorts, why not just have Connor, who is an absolute hammer, take that role?

You could add Connor and not change a thing about the offense except that you could be more effective running the ball in short yardage situations.

I think you're looking for an argument Im not trying to make. I am not saying I don't think it would be a good idea or that I personally wouldn't do it. I am giving reasons why I believe, given what I have seen from this regime, that they won't do it. I introduced the idea of the H-back just as a sort of meet you halfway idea. I don't think the coaches have any desire to use a fullback.

Could the offense benefit from one? Maybe. But even 8-10 plays/game, thats a large amount of snaps you've eliminated your second round pick from being in the game. We had a fullback last year that, prior to the season, most people highly regarded. Our running game was pathetic. Why? Because he wasn't the right fullback? Like everyone since Moose? No. Because they aren't committed to the run game. A team so obviously not committed to the run game is not bringing in a player like Connor. I just don't see it.
 

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I think you're looking for an argument Im not trying to make. I am not saying I don't think it would be a good idea or that I personally wouldn't do it. I am giving reasons why I believe, given what I have seen from this regime, that they won't do it. I introduced the idea of the H-back just as a sort of meet you halfway idea. I don't think the coaches have any desire to use a fullback.

Could the offense benefit from one? Maybe. But even 8-10 plays/game, thats a large amount of snaps you've eliminated your second round pick from being in the game. We had a fullback last year that, prior to the season, most people highly regarded. Our running game was pathetic. Why? Because he wasn't the right fullback? Like everyone since Moose? No. Because they aren't committed to the run game. A team so obviously not committed to the run game is not bringing in a player like Connor. I just don't see it.
Fair enough I supppose.

I just took As much as I am down on Garrett and Callahan at the moment, even I think that's a huge mistake to mean that you were opposed to getting a fullback.
 

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Fair enough I supppose.

I just took As much as I am down on Garrett and Callahan at the moment, even I think that's a huge mistake to mean that you were opposed to getting a fullback.

Speaking as if I was in a position where I could participate in player acquisition, I think its a mistake. Not because I don't think it could help the team, but for the reasons given above.

If they went out and got the Terminator, it might help the team. Frankly I am not entirely sold on it though. I just don't think this staff has the balls to pound the ball for 2 yards the entire first half in order to set up the big gains in the second.

In other words, I don't think the issue is the players.
 

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Speaking as if I was in a position where I could participate in player acquisition, I think its a mistake. Not because I don't think it could help the team, but for the reasons given above.

If they went out and got the Terminator, it might help the team. Frankly I am not entirely sold on it though. I just don't think this staff has the balls to pound the ball for 2 yards the entire first half in order to set up the big gains in the second.

In other words, I don't think the issue is the players.
Well that I absolutely agree with lol
 

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Hope that didn't come off wrong. Didn't mean any sort of arrogance pointed in your direction. I just have no faith in the ability of this staff to maximize player personnel and/or improve the product we see on the field. The faces have changed and we seem to be keeping "the right guys" now, but the on field product really hasn't changed much.
 

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If you sign a FB and insert him into the offense you are giving up on the 12 offense after only two weeks. As much as I am down on Garrett and Callahan at the moment, even I think that's a huge mistake.

We spent the entire offseason priming our roster and practicing in 2 TE formations with no FB. Throwing that out the window after two weeks would and should absolutely cost this entire offensive staff their jobs.


Giving up on the 12 offense after half a decade.
 
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