Hip Hop Music Thread

[kimrose]

Yup.... repost all day., but a different version...The label "PopArt" was one of the first hip hop rap labels (indy)..... established in Philadelphia by Lawrence "LG" Goodman. Most of the Early artist from NY and Philly traveled to Goodman to press records, and get them released. Before "Cold Chillin" was established, PopArt pressed records for Shante, Shan, Biz, & Craig G.... as well as local artist, Schooly D, & Steady B... Pop Art also introduced the world to "Jazzy Jeff and the Fresh Prince, who was well respected before their big pop hit "Girls Ain't Nothing but Trouble...(which MTV oversaturated, and pushed Jeff and Prince into a "direction", and eventually stardom)



If you find that Shante Record original print "Roxanne's Revenge", its worth about 40 bucks... you can get get later re-issues for a lot less. It sounded so terrible quality wise because the recording was from Mister Magic's Rap show, and you can hear him in the background... it was just a freestyle over the "Roxanne, Roxanne" UTFO track...... but eventually they went to the studio and recorded a proper version, with the beat you are familiar with. (this is why the two versions we posted sound different)

Wow, very interesting, Ron. Thanks for this meaty info. Had no idea there was a connection between all these artists. I didn't get much into anything but what my ears liked back then. I have to tell you that if I had an original print of Roxanne Shante, I would much rather have the record than the 40 bucks. lol. Biz is one of my faves, I just love him, have posted several of his videos here, his innocence mixed with his awesome talent is heaven to me. The first JJ/FP song I heard was "Parents Just Don't Understand" on MTV, became an instant fan of course, being a teenager myself at the time. lol. They were just cool like that, you know, smooth flow. They had "it". Don't know if that was before or after the time you are talking about, but I suspect it was after. lol. I just love the way Will Smith was just a kid back then, and none of us had any idea, watching those early videos, the legendary icon he would become later in life. It's a warm fuzzy story for me, watching a Legend grow up and into his own.

 

[kimrose]

Was never a UB40 fan..... Reminds me of the Family Guy episode where Stewie has a UB40 license plate on his Big Wheel and tries to entice a little girl by telling her... "If you like your reggae watered down, and acceptable at weddings.... hop on!" Hahaha....

Now Eddie Grant on the other hand..... "Electric Avenue" was hard... , even though it was pop... when I was a kid I would ofter hear that mixed with "The Tide is High" (Blondie,posted in another thread some time ago), and "Pass the Dutchie", (Musical Youth, which you may have posted?)....... at parties DJ's/Selectors.......would really go in deep with Barrington Levy, Augustus Pablo, The Wailers, Culture, Burning Spear....etc.... if the response was what he was going for...hahaha..

Haha, not everyone loves UB40, but I always did. They were made into a more poppish band, but some of there stuff was pretty darn good, and they had hella bass for their time. I like the stuff the radio didn't play more than the stuff that it did, for the most part. Although I think their version of "Can't Help Falling In Love" was really great.

Eddie Grant was the man! I used to sit in front of MTV, waiting for Electric Avenue to come back on, lucky for me they played it all the time. lol. Frikking loved it! Blondie was awesome back in the day. You'd have to be pretty bent-nosed not to like their music back then, lol. And who didn't love Deborah Harry, right?? Yep, you are correct sir, I have posted Musical Youth here at least once, "Pass the Dutchie" was one of my favorite songs when I was a teen. Still love it and sing it all the time.

 

[kimrose]

He's gifted, if he was only born 20 years prior.... the teenagers in Brooklyn love him... which is good, he has something to say..... and the old school cats like us recognize his talents.... He would be posted more, but obviously videos don't sensor lyrics anymore.

This kid is raw. I watched an interview with him one time and he is really ahead of his time, he's an old soul and highly intelligent. He's going places for sure. I'm glad so many youngens are liking him. That's really good to hear, Ron.

 

[RonSpringsdaman20]

Wow, very interesting, Ron. Thanks for this meaty info. Had no idea there was a connection between all these artists. I didn't get much into anything but what my ears liked back then. I have to tell you that if I had an original print of Roxanne Shante, I would much rather have the record than the 40 bucks. lol. Biz is one of my faves, I just love him, have posted several of his videos here, his innocence mixed with his awesome talent is heaven to me. The first JJ/FP song I heard was "Parents Just Don't Understand" on MTV, became an instant fan of course, being a teenager myself at the time. lol. They were just cool like that, you know, smooth flow. They had "it". Don't know if that was before or after the time you are talking about, but I suspect it was after. lol. I just love the way Will Smith was just a kid back then, and none of us had any idea, watching those early videos, the legendary icon he would become later in life. It's a warm fuzzy story for me, watching a Legend grow up and into his own.

"Parents Just Don't Understand" was after.... it was the formula from "Girls Aint Nothing But Trouble" Musically, and Video wise.. because they found the right formula.... double and triple platinum later........

 

[kimrose]

 

[chagus]

It really doesn't. That list is the best rappers of all time. Not the best rappers of NY or West Coast or wherever. You don't separate any other greatest of all time list like that. Where I live has nothing to do with it. Skill level, longevity, quality classic albums. My top 5, I'll give you my top 10 solo artists:

Nas
Rakim
Scarface
BIG
Pac
KRS-One
Jay-Z
Common
Ice Cube
LL Cool J

So let's see I have Midwest rapper, 2 West Coast(even though Pac isn't from the West), and a Southern rapper. Is that good enough for you. It shouldn't matter and it doesn't to me. If you are good you are good.

LL Cool J?? Lol!!!

 

[mldardy]

LL Cool J?? Lol!!!

Yeah one of the early pioneers of Def Jam and dropped great albums in the 80s and 90s. You are clueless.

Let's see your list. It's probably filled with Soulja Boy, Vanilla Ice, and and Another Bad Creation. Get lost.

 

[chagus]

Yeah one of the early pioneers of Def Jam and dropped great albums in the 80s and 90s. You are clueless.

Let's see your list. It's probably filled with Soulja Boy, Vanilla Ice, and and Another Bad Creation. Get lost.

I'm actually very diverse as far as musical generas are concerned, being a musician. I have to admit I was never too particularly into rap but I do respect some of the pioneers like run dmc, and ice t back when break dancing was the fad. Then, I got into hard rock and heavy metal but did enjoy the occasional dr. Dre, snoop, bones thugs and harmony. After that, I'm not too keen on what was hip or good... Tu Pac was an amazing poet and eminem's rhythmic vocalizing was and still is very unique. And yes, LL cool J was and is a baffoon. He's simply the "product". Looks good...chicks wanna blow him and dudes wanna be him. But I think he's weak as a song writer and I'm pretty damn sure he's a product of very good producers. That's my 2 cents. Take it or leave it. Makes no difference to me. Peace!

 

[RonSpringsdaman20]

LL was a dope lyricist...
don't let the later tv image fool ya

 

[RonSpringsdaman20]

Anyone who is a hip hop head/ born when hip hop was born/urban street kid/tagged/braked/listened.... knows LL was ill.... no question.... He was marketable, that's different from being produced, and he ghost wrote for others, so him getting ghost written for..... eeehhhhh
I'm sure russell and rick would co-sign this, matter of fact Ad rock used to listen to the demos for rick and insisted that he listened to LL, he was that good... When they dropped "I need a beat" as his first single... it shut things down.. "Radio" than took it to another level... and this was way before his music videos... so no one knew what he looked like.
... hip hop wasn't even a teenager when he dropped in the early 80's, Labels didn't know what to do with hip hop artist........ Please listen for your education.... don't want to be right, just because you don't want to be wrong....
peace... enjoy...








"I'm too bad for ya... Understand?"
LL

 

[RonSpringsdaman20]

HA!

 

[RonSpringsdaman20]

This thread had become such a great thread of just sharing and enjoying... no debating, different from the rest of this forum.... we even kept the cursing to a minimum...... why change that share what you like... and move on...

All Love here... respect that

 

[mldardy]

I'm actually very diverse as far as musical generas are concerned, being a musician. I have to admit I was never too particularly into rap but I do respect some of the pioneers like run dmc, and ice t back when break dancing was the fad. Then, I got into hard rock and heavy metal but did enjoy the occasional dr. Dre, snoop, bones thugs and harmony. After that, I'm not too keen on what was hip or good... Tu Pac was an amazing poet and eminem's rhythmic vocalizing was and still is very unique. And yes, LL cool J was and is a baffoon. He's simply the "product". Looks good...chicks wanna blow him and dudes wanna be him. But I think he's weak as a song writer and I'm pretty damn sure he's a product of very good producers. That's my 2 cents. Take it or leave it. Makes no difference to me. Peace!

Wow you really don't know what you are talking about. LL a 'baffoon' actually buffoon but who's checking well you should be. What the hell are you talking about. LL is one of the early pioneers of rap and one of the earliest rappers to crossover to a larger MTV artist. He also is one of the better battle rappers in the history of hip hop. he shredded a lot of rappers including one that you mentioned Ice-T which I'm pretty sure you didn't know. LL was a badass from Radio to Bigger and Deffer to Mama Said Knock You Out to Mr. Smith. You sound like one of these typical fringe hip hop fans who only knows the top of the surface. Mentioning Snoop(as much as everyone loves him he fits more of the buffoon that you were talking about than anybody, he's had one great album his entire career and nothing really even close since then) and Bone Thugs and Eminem and Pac. Cmon man it's much deeper than that. You clearly don't know the history You need to stick with hard rock and heavy metal and leave the hip hop game to people who know what they are talking about. You clearly don't.

 

[mldardy]

LL was a dope lyricist...
don't let the later tv image fool ya

Thanks Ron for bringing some sense back to this thread. I think people get this image of LL now and the past 10 years and think that has always been him.

 

[RonSpringsdaman20]

Man, I miss old LL, might as well keep it up..

 

[RonSpringsdaman20]

Thanks Ron for bringing some sense back to this thread. I think people get this image of LL now and the past 10 years and think that has always been him.

man... the whole hood wanted troop sweat suits after "I'm Bad"....

"I'm the best, taking out all rookies, so forget oreos, eat cool j cookies!"

come on!

Even my pops thought he was dope, and my pop is a jazz head.

 

[chagus]

Wow you really don't know what you are talking about. LL a 'baffoon' actually buffoon but who's checking well you should be. What the hell are you talking about. LL is one of the early pioneers of rap and one of the earliest rappers to crossover to a larger MTV artist. He also is one of the better battle rapper in the history of hip hop. he shredded a lot of rappers including one that you mentioned Ice-T which I'm pretty sure you didn't know. LL was a badass from Radio to Bigger and Deffer to Mama Said Knock You Out to Mr. Smith. You sound like one of these typical fringe hip hop fans who only knows the top of the surface. Mentioning Snoop and Bone Thugs and Eminem and Pac. Cmon man it's much deeper than that. You clearly don't know the history You need to stick with hard rock and heavy metal and leave the hip hop game to people who know what they are talking about. You clearly don't.

Like I said earlier... I'm much into rap and hip hop. I was simply stating an opinion based on my limited exposure. And believe you me... I'll keep it limited. Since I actually play an instrument...actually manipilating an instrument to create sounds and rhythmic pattern and structure, hip hop does nothing for me in the way of growth an instrumentalist. it's just occasionally fun to listen to production trends and what not. GO COWBOYS!!!

 

[RonSpringsdaman20]

Like I said earlier... I'm much into rap and hip hop. I was simply stating an opinion based on my limited exposure. And believe you me... I'll keep it limited. Since I actually play an instrument...actually manipilating an instrument to create sounds and rhythmic pattern and structure, hip hop does nothing for me in the way of growth an instrumentalist. it's just occasionally fun to listen to production trends and what not.

lol....

 

[mldardy]

Like I said earlier... I'm much into rap and hip hop. I was simply stating an opinion based on my limited exposure. And believe you me... I'll keep it limited. Since I actually play an instrument...actually manipilating an instrument to create sounds and rhythmic pattern and structure, hip hop does nothing for me in the way of growth an instrumentalist. it's just occasionally fun to listen to production trends and what not. GO COWBOYS!!!

 

[chagus]

Haaaa! Nice!