Hire Norv Now

joseephuss said:
That would be interesting. The talk I heard was that Al Davis(much like Jerry was) wouldn't want someone who is high profile or would command a high salary. Martz and Davis could provide some sparks with their egos. Another couple of names I heard for the Raiders were Mo Carthon, Jim Fassel and Rick Neuhiesel(I can't stand that little weasel).
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I read the Raiders and Martz thing in John Clayton's blog. Pasquerelli mentioned Fassel, but he said he's not getting much hype. So he may remain an OC. I did hear Carthon's name bounced around but not in connection w/the Raiders. I think people want to see him go another year w/Cleveland.
 
Oh what the heck let's hire Norv. Then we can dust off Aikman, Emmitt, Irvin, Novachek, Moose, Stepnoski, Nate, Erik......who else am I forgetting? :rolleyes:
 
Yeagermeister said:
Oh what the heck let's hire Norv. Then we can dust off Aikman, Emmitt, Irvin, Novachek, Moose, Stepnoski, Nate, Erik......who else am I forgetting? :rolleyes:
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Are you a relative of Bill Parcells? Sounds like his plan for the Cowboys, only they have to be Giants, Jets or Patriots.
 
rcaldw said:
I know I'm in the minority on this one, but who cares, I'll go on the record with it anyway. If you can't get Jimmy Johnson, get Norv now. Can Parcells, I'm tired of his little "its all about me" act.
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:ralph:
 
rcaldw said:
Are you a relative of Bill Parcells? Sounds like his plan for the Cowboys, only they have to be Giants, Jets or Patriots.
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Yes I am his son so I guess that makes you a relative of Norv's :rolleyes:
 
Norv has cred as an OC, no question about that. What I dont want to see, however, is Norv brought in here as an OC, along with a new HC, the HC flames out, and then Jerry has Norv conveniently waiting in several years (2008 or so) to take over as HC. We all know how Jerry rewards loyalty. I think a lot of fans would be suicidal if that ever played out. :eek:
 
Yeagermeister said:
Oh what the heck let's hire Norv. Then we can dust off Aikman, Emmitt, Irvin, Novachek, Moose, Stepnoski, Nate, Erik......who else am I forgetting? :rolleyes:
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Come on be realistic. Nate is in jail. Allen will have to remain at left guard. :D
 
MS17 said:
Norv has cred as an OC, no question about that. What I dont want to see, however, is Norv brought in here as an OC, along with a new HC, the HC flames out, and then Jerry has Norv conveniently waiting in several years (2008 or so) to take over as HC. We all know how Jerry rewards loyalty. I think a lot of fans would be suicidal if that ever played out. :eek:
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That would reduce some of the dumber posts on this forum. :)
 
rcaldw said:
Are you a relative of Bill Parcells? Sounds like his plan for the Cowboys, only they have to be Giants, Jets or Patriots.
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Dude this take is so old as to be laughable.

Other than Ryan Young every one of Parcells old guys has worked out well.

Aaron Glenn, Keyshaun Johnson, Aaron Glenn, Richie Anderson and Drew Bledose have played well for us.

Young and Anderson were not just played after there usefulness was defunct.

That is not to mention the track record of failures of Johnson and staff Post 1993.

Norv Turner Washington Commanders - FAILURE
Dave Wannstedt Chicago Bears - FAILURE
Jimmy Johnson Miami Dolphins - FAILURE
Dave Campo Dallas Cowboys - FAILURE
Dave Wannstedt Miami Dolphins - FAILURE
Butch Davis Cleveland Browns - FAILURE
Norv Turner Oakland Raiders - FAILURE

But hey since they had success a decade ago lets go ahead despite ALL THE EVDENCE TO THE CONTRARY.
 
rcaldw said:
No, I mean as head coach. I think Turner knows his stuff, and just needs the right situation. I think this is the right situation.
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You must be on dope. :D
 
FuzzyLumpkins said:
Dude this take is so old as to be laughable.

Other than Ryan Young every one of Parcells old guys has worked out well.

Aaron Glenn, Keyshaun Johnson, Aaron Glenn, Richie Anderson and Drew Bledose have played well for us.

Young and Anderson were not just played after there usefulness was defunct.

That is not to mention the track record of failures of Johnson and staff Post 1993.

Norv Turner Washington Commanders - FAILURE
Dave Wannstedt Chicago Bears - FAILURE
Jimmy Johnson Miami Dolphins - FAILURE
Dave Campo Dallas Cowboys - FAILURE
Dave Wannstedt Miami Dolphins - FAILURE
Butch Davis Cleveland Browns - FAILURE
Norv Turner Oakland Raiders - FAILURE

But hey since they had success a decade ago lets go ahead despite ALL THE EVDENCE TO THE CONTRARY.
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Fuzzy stop using facts :D
 
FuzzyLumpkins said:
Dude this take is so old as to be laughable.

Other than Ryan Young every one of Parcells old guys has worked out well.

Aaron Glenn, Keyshaun Johnson, Aaron Glenn, Richie Anderson and Drew Bledose have played well for us.

Young and Anderson were not just played after there usefulness was defunct.

That is not to mention the track record of failures of Johnson and staff Post 1993.

Norv Turner Washington Commanders - FAILURE
Dave Wannstedt Chicago Bears - FAILURE
Jimmy Johnson Miami Dolphins - FAILURE
Dave Campo Dallas Cowboys - FAILURE
Dave Wannstedt Miami Dolphins - FAILURE
Butch Davis Cleveland Browns - FAILURE
Norv Turner Oakland Raiders - FAILURE

But hey since they had success a decade ago lets go ahead despite ALL THE EVDENCE TO THE CONTRARY.
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Adrien Murrel, Dedric Ward and Vinny Testaverde were failures and old Parcell's guys. I will also add in Kenyon Coleman and Eric Ogbogu. You win some, you lose some.
 
rcaldw said:
No, I mean as head coach. I think Turner knows his stuff, and just needs the right situation. I think this is the right situation.
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Norv doesnt have what it takes to be a HC. He doesnt have the personality, he doesnt have the discipline, and he isnt a HC guy. He needs to stick to OC where he can put his brain to use, and leave the HC'ing to a real coach like Parcels.
 
Want some FACTS?:

Bill Belichick's coaching record, losing seasons 5 out of his first 6. Is he a good coach, or was he in the wrong situation?

+--------------+----------+
| Reg. Season | Playoffs |
+----------+--------------+----------+
| Year TM | W L T | W L |
+----------+--------------+----------+
| 1991 cle | 6 10 0 | 0 0 |
| 1992 cle | 7 9 0 | 0 0 |
| 1993 cle | 7 9 0 | 0 0 |
| 1994 cle | 11 5 0 | 1 1 |
| 1995 cle | 5 11 0 | 0 0 |
| 2000 nwe | 5 11 0 | 0 0 |
| 2001 nwe | 11 5 0 | 3 0 |
| 2002 nwe | 9 7 0 | 0 0 |
| 2003 nwe | 14 2 0 | 3 0 |
| 2004 nwe | 14 2 0 | 3 0 |
| 2005 nwe | 10 6 0 | 0 0 |
+----------+--------------+----------+
| TOTALS | 99 77 0 | 10 1 |
 
joseephuss said:
Adrien Murrel, Dedric Ward and Vinny Testaverde were failures and old Parcell's guys. I will also add in Kenyon Coleman and Eric Ogbogu. You win some, you lose some.
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Testaverde of all those got significant playing time.

Ward was inactive most weeks Murrell played in what 2 games. Coleman and Ogbogu never played for Parcells and were backups.

The way some people would present it he played these guys significant time despite them sucking arse just because they were explayers of his.

The only argument you may have for all that was him sticking with Vinny.

But that isnt the point is it. The point is that Jimmy Johsnon and Co have been terrible since 1994. And other than Butch Davis in Miami they havent sniffed success.

Yet for some ubeknownst reason people here want them hired.

If you dont like Parcells tyhen fine but dont go for the losers of the past decade.

Stoops Weiss Carroll and a whole slew of others would be infinitely better.
 
rcaldw said:
Want some FACTS?:

Bill Belichick's coaching record, losing seasons 5 out of his first 6. Is he a good coach, or was he in the wrong situation?

+--------------+----------+
| Reg. Season | Playoffs |
+----------+--------------+----------+
| Year TM | W L T | W L |
+----------+--------------+----------+
| 1991 cle | 6 10 0 | 0 0 |
| 1992 cle | 7 9 0 | 0 0 |
| 1993 cle | 7 9 0 | 0 0 |
| 1994 cle | 11 5 0 | 1 1 |
| 1995 cle | 5 11 0 | 0 0 |
| 2000 nwe | 5 11 0 | 0 0 |
| 2001 nwe | 11 5 0 | 3 0 |
| 2002 nwe | 9 7 0 | 0 0 |
| 2003 nwe | 14 2 0 | 3 0 |
| 2004 nwe | 14 2 0 | 3 0 |
| 2005 nwe | 10 6 0 | 0 0 |
+----------+--------------+----------+
| TOTALS | 99 77 0 | 10 1 |
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Hers another clue. If Im not mistaken Parcells last season with the Jets was the 1999 AFC Championship game.

It is no small coincidence that once Belichek got Parcells old assistants that NE started having success.

Now if Jones could pull of getting Turner Wandstedt AND Johnson you have a point.

But you want Norv Turner. :bang2: :bang2: :bang2:
 
FuzzyLumpkins said:
Testaverde of all those got significant playing time.

Ward was inactive most weeks Murrell played in what 2 games. Coleman and Ogbogu never played for Parcells and were backups.

The way some people would present it he played these guys significant time despite them sucking arse just because they were explayers of his.

The only argument you may have for all that was him sticking with Vinny.

But that isnt the point is it. The point is that Jimmy Johsnon and Co have been terrible since 1994. And other than Butch Davis in Miami they havent sniffed success.

Yet for some ubeknownst reason people here want them hired.

If you dont like Parcells tyhen fine but dont go for the losers of the past decade.

Stoops Weiss Carroll and a whole slew of others would be infinitely better.
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Wasn't Bill Bellichik a loser of the last decade? Losing records when?

91,92,93,95

Btw, when was the last time Big Bill WON a Super Bowl? Wasn't it 1990?

IN fact, since 1990 with the Giants, Bill Parcell's coaching record is 86 and 74.

He coached 10 seasons since 1990. That is an average of......

8.6 wins and 7.4 losses per season.
 
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