Hitting in practice

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Watching the games the last four weeks it is very evident that the one of the major problems with the Cowboys is that they lack physicality. They have been very poor in blocking on offense and tackling on defense. The offensive/defensive lines have not been punching people in the mouth and the defense has been not been breaking down and is doing a lot of arm tackling.

They need to learn how to be physical again and this starts with practicing that way during the week. I know that injuries and depth at this time is a concern, but at least one day a week they should be hitting in practice. IMO this is the same issue that they had in December last year, they were not running the ball well and the tackling was suspect. During the last four games, we have seen the same thing.
 

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Most likely they wear helmets, shoulder pads, and girtles to practice.

The linemen can still hit as hard as they want to.

The only thing it really does is keep players off of other players legs which I have no problem with.

Just wrap up in practice.

You can have a ultra physical practice without tackling.
 

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Yeah I really want to see Barber being driven in the ground during practice or TO getting whipped out going over the middle. This team is dealing with enough injuries without self inflicting them
 

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Nate Newton said that most teams dont hit anymore.I have watched the steelers in practice a few times and they dont hit.
 

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juckie;2362054 said:
Nate Newton said that most teams dont hit anymore.I have watched the steelers in practice a few times and they dont hit.

Teams can't afford to have key players out of the lineup due to injuries. Like most around here I'm angry with our play and want to see some major improvements taking place but this team beating each other up is not the answer
 

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They practice with helmets and in shells and shorts. I'm not saying that they need to go out and try to hurt each other. And what works for one team, may not work for another-not every team needs to work on hitting. But to me, it seems that the Cowboys do.
 

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MDCowboy;2362063 said:
They practice with helmets and in shells and shorts. I'm not saying that they need to go out and try to hurt each other. And what works for one team, may not work for another-not every team needs to work on hitting. But to me, it seems that the Cowboys do.

There are drills they can run but unless you plan on having all out hitting taking place to actually simulate tackling then what you have left is drills. However this is basic stuff these guys have been playing football long enough to know how to tackle people they need to bear down and just do the damn job for a change.
 

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MDCowboy;2362063 said:
They practice with helmets and in shells and shorts. I'm not saying that they need to go out and try to hurt each other. And what works for one team, may not work for another-not every team needs to work on hitting. But to me, it seems that the Cowboys do.

If hitting in practice will bring emotion on Sundays than im all for it.

If Jerry doin the hoola hoop while the team watches helps them play with emotion than im all for it too.

Thats the 1 key thing that is missing. Not a 4-3, not a hole in the roster, nothing.

We wont win games until this team brings Focus and Enthusiasm on Wednesday - Sunday.
 

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Doomsday101;2362072 said:
There are drills they can run but unless you plan on having all out hitting taking place to actually simulate tackling then what you have left is drills. However this is basic stuff these guys have been playing football long enough to know how to tackle people they need to bear down and just do the damn job for a change.

The LBs and DBs can and should be working on tackling drills. The O-line and D-line can hit each other without taking each other down.

For the last few games, it appears that this team is not prepared for contact.
 

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Well if they're not hitting in practice (and forgive me I honestly didn't know there was such thing as practice without hitting) then that is something that has to change. You can't just not practice tackling people and expect people to do it perfectly in games. Tackling is part of the game and you need to practice on it just like you need to practice getting the timing down on your 9 routes.
 

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Did anyone think that maybe some of our injuries are because we don't have physical practices???? The body will get used to the impact, speed and resistance and you can get more of a feel for your interior line skill sets, get the defense in postion to lay a shoulder pad on the runner instead of arm tackling, etc... RW is a prime example of this - when he hurt is arm again on the goal line - instead of being in good football postion to lay a blow to the ball carrier he clubbed the guy with his right arm and see what happened.

I am a true beliver that you practice like you play and being physical in practice is a necessity.....obviously camp cupcake isn't working.

Not only do I feel that this has lead to some of our injuries, but I also feel that this has directly impacted our ability to create turnovers.
 

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Thats why you have a practice squad( tackling dummies).Oklahoma drill helps with tackling. But because its a one and done sport not like baseball and basketball, Will can overtake skill. Give me a team with will and intensity and it would beat any talented team especially in a one game format.
 

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yentl911;2362413 said:
Did anyone think that maybe some of our injuries are because we don't have physical practices???? The body will get used to the impact, speed and resistance and you can get more of a feel for your interior line skill sets, get the defense in postion to lay a shoulder pad on the runner instead of arm tackling, etc... RW is a prime example of this - when he hurt is arm again on the goal line - instead of being in good football postion to lay a blow to the ball carrier he clubbed the guy with his right arm and see what happened.

I am a true beliver that you practice like you play and being physical in practice is a necessity.....obviously camp cupcake isn't working.

Not only do I feel that this has lead to some of our injuries, but I also feel that this has directly impacted our ability to create turnovers.

Good point. I agree 100%
 

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First, not hitting in practice is why the cowboys are in trouble, they are now not used to slobber knocker football. The nfl east now is slobber knock football, thats how the Commanders beat the cowboys, heads up one on one player, thats how the cardinals beat the cowboys rushing 3 to 4 players and beating the blocking offensive line of the cowboys with 5 blockers, thats 5 count them.

When you dont get physical in practice and get the players used to the tempo of slobber smash football, then you will lose. Thats one of the reasons why the steelers are losing some games, besides injuries, and yes, the injuries they have had have been in games not practices.

As far as newman, getting injured, again i point to wade phillips not doing his job. why do i say this, last year, newman was used on some occassions in preseason for punt returning, newman got hurt doing this, and what did good ole wade do this year, again he put newman back at practicing returning punts, and again newman got hurt,

newman is too old now to be returning punts. And you cant tell me that out of 81 players that the cowboys had in training camp, that you couldnt find a punt returner, thats the head coaches job to find one, parcells did.

Parcells found punt returners when he was with the giants, and when he was with the patriots and the cowboys. That goes back to what one player said about wade, your special teams will be awful because good ole wade doesnt work enough on it.

now back to hitting, again i point to the late november december run, no pads were used at all in practices, none. A pro bowl player that has played the game, and a guy that has worked in the strenght and conditioning even said this, if you dont get your body used to hitting and stay in shape, after 3 weeks the body starts deteriotaing in muscle mass etc, and getting used to the absorment of hits.

When the cowboys played under jimmy johnson, where the cowboys would win the game was the 4th quarter, they knew if they could stay in the game till then, their big offensive line would run over teams and 90 percent of the times they did.

Thats slobber knocker smashmouth football, just look at the eagles, sure they are beat up, but they play smash mouth, look at the Commanders now, they play smash mouth, and the giants do too on offense and defense.

If you arent prepared to go a full 60 minutes with these teams, with smash mouth football and the only way to do that is keep toned in shape used to hitting.

I back this up by the cardinal game first, what did the cardinals coach say after the game, they said something to this effect. We saw the cowboys body language on special teams and we felt that they couldnt play hard etc and we could get some big plays on special teams, then what did keith davis say, the players have to want to play on special teams, how do you get players playing on special teams you hit hard in practice and you play hard, when you dont play hard your body language shows.

Now on to the rams game what did steven jackson say, we saw the cowboys body language and felt that we could get on top of them and break their morale, they played one on one on offense and defense, smashmouthed the cowboys then they buried them.

Your body language shows if your intent on real hard hitting and wanting it. The cowboys are not showing that with their body language due to fact they are sloppy in practices, why are you sloppy in practices, you dont practice hard with hitting etc in practices.

Till that is addressed, and fixing the penalities, this team isnt going anywhere. The word is out now, play one on one with the cowboys, and you can beat them, their not physical.
 

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yentl911;2362413 said:
Did anyone think that maybe some of our injuries are because we don't have physical practices???? The body will get used to the impact, speed and resistance and you can get more of a feel for your interior line skill sets, get the defense in postion to lay a shoulder pad on the runner instead of arm tackling, etc... RW is a prime example of this - when he hurt is arm again on the goal line - instead of being in good football postion to lay a blow to the ball carrier he clubbed the guy with his right arm and see what happened.

I am a true beliver that you practice like you play and being physical in practice is a necessity.....obviously camp cupcake isn't working.

Not only do I feel that this has lead to some of our injuries, but I also feel that this has directly impacted our ability to create turnovers.

:clap2:
 

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cowboyjoe;2362484 said:
As far as newman, getting injured, again i point to wade phillips not doing his job. why do i say this, last year, newman was used on some occassions in preseason for punt returning, newman got hurt doing this, and what did good ole wade do this year, again he put newman back at practicing returning punts, and again newman got hurt, .
Dude. Newman didn't get hurt returning punts. What are you talking about?

And as far as hitting, Parcells' teams hit a little more than what Wade does, and in 2004 we had an entire second half of the year that looked like Sunday's game.

Good grief. Did anyone read what juckie posted? Even the Steelers, who have that young energetic coach who looks the way people want a coach to look, doesn't hit much if at all during the week.

I know everyone wants a good Junction Boys-style Bear Bryant kind of camp where the players practice for 12 hours a day in 100 degree heat with rocks on the practice field, but that's simply not reality in the NFL.
 

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MDCowboy;2362532 said:
I am in agreement 100%. Rb's and Wr's are not necessarily driven into the ground because the practice is physical. It should be noted that alot of season ending injuries (ie. knees, ankle injuries) occur in non-contact drills, as reported many times over the years on various sports outlets..
 

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djdoug;2362207 said:
whatever it takes to Win,I'm all for!

After every humiliating loss, I think the defensive and offensive players should rotate kicking each other in the groin on practice days. I also believe that the Valley Ranch cafeteria should serve nothing but vegemite sandwiches and a hearty steaming bowl of sweaty arse rinds. The players should not complain, after all it is free.

I guarantee that regimen will elevate the Cowboys players hostility and physicality for any upcoming opponent. Opponents will not stand a chance of beating us.
 

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CATCH17;2362034 said:
Most likely they wear helmets, shoulder pads, and girtles to practice.

The linemen can still hit as hard as they want to.

The only thing it really does is keep players off of other players legs which I have no problem with.

Just wrap up in practice.

You can have a ultra physical practice without tackling.

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