Hmm--Interesting stat
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Kittymama said:
knee-jerkers...:sshhh:
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In fact Holmgren has been on the hot seat and nearly fired in more than one season.Kittymama said:
He started that job as the GM as well as the HC and the GM duties were stripped.
I don't even wonder how you'd act if Parcells were stripped of personnel decisions.
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The easy answer is to fire the coach. The hard part is finding someone to replace him. That is why I am glad BP is coming back. I just didn't think JJ could find anyone better. Another reason I hated to see Jimmy Johnson leavle.Kittymama said:
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It amazes me how quick-to-the-hook NFL teams have become with their coaches these days. There's hardly time to build anything in the win-now landscape that exists. I mean, so Holmgren never notched a playoff win in the previous seven years; and you think he should have been fired?
No mention of the fact that, after seven years, that one playoff win propelled the Seahawks into the Superbowl. No acknowledgment to the fact that his team is on the precipice, yes, after seven years, of becoming the very best in the league. No regard for the fact that Holmgren is the first coach in Seattle's entire history that has ever taken the team to a Superbowl. In the 23 years before Holmgren got there, the Seahawks never even sniffed the "big-game"... and yet... you think he should have been fired for not delivering sooner.
Amazing.
Hey, did you know that it took Tom Landry FIVE seasons before his Cowboys even had a winning one, much less a playoff entry; not even to mention a playoff "win". Imagine how Dallas' history might be different had Tex Schramm behaved like owners today so often do, pulling the plug long before the tub is ever full.
Bill Cowher is another example of this. He's been with the Steelers for 14 years, and over that span the team has won eight division titles, made ten playoff appearances, and posted eleven winning seasons -- including one (now two) visits to the Superbowl and five AFC Championship games.
Yet, some coaches, such as Mike Sherman, who led the Packers to five consecutive playoff appearances, are given the hook when times get tough for the team. The continuity, the tradition, the commitment that once defined an organization is no longer what it used to be for most clubs. Pittsburgh and maybe the Titans are the only real bastions of the old-world NFL that still exists. And look, aside from the occasional down season here or there, they are also the squads that are consistently competitive from year-to-year.
Ushering in a new coach every 3 or 4 years keeps your team in a state of constant rebuildment. It's tough truly to flourish in such an unstable environment. And so, while not a Seahawks fan, I'm glad that they have an owner who's willing to commit to something broader, a grander vision.
And I bet the Seahawk faithful are, too...
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Oh yeah, and TEN years for Cowher since his last Super Bowl. (Yet another idiot owner who should have fired him long ago.)
Yes, both Holmgren & Cowher were almost fired. I can remember a lot of idiot fans & media calling for them to be fired (particularly 2 years ago for both). Hmmm....wonder how many of them are still calling for them to be fired today (or are admitting they might have been wrong)? There was also speculation at the beginning of the year that Holmgren was bucking to get himself fired so that he could to another team.
And, Holmgren may not be GM, but he sure as h*** has a big say over who that team signs.
Yes, both Holmgren & Cowher were almost fired. I can remember a lot of idiot fans & media calling for them to be fired (particularly 2 years ago for both). Hmmm....wonder how many of them are still calling for them to be fired today (or are admitting they might have been wrong)? There was also speculation at the beginning of the year that Holmgren was bucking to get himself fired so that he could to another team.
And, Holmgren may not be GM, but he sure as h*** has a big say over who that team signs.
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Excellent post.PoetTree said:
It might be noted that Indy, Denver, Seattle, Pittsburgh have all made long-term commitments to their coaches, despite some difficult slogs (& fans screaming for them to be fired). Notice a common thread among the 4? Three of them were playing today. All 4 are always among teams considered to be elite.
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It bothers me when teams fire the coach just because they feel they have to but then bring in someone half as qualified as a replacement, they are deadset on firing the coach and don't worry whether the replacement is even worthy of a HC spot, even when a coach probably really deserves firing they still may be better off just staying with who they have.
It's been worse this year with perfect examples in Green Bay Detroit and probably whoever Oakland eventually goes with, unless there is a big "up and coming" Nick Saban type available or some coordinator that really deserves a shot like a Marvin Lewis or a proven winner Parcells type, you might as well keep who you have and see if with some continuity he can get it done.
It's been worse this year with perfect examples in Green Bay Detroit and probably whoever Oakland eventually goes with, unless there is a big "up and coming" Nick Saban type available or some coordinator that really deserves a shot like a Marvin Lewis or a proven winner Parcells type, you might as well keep who you have and see if with some continuity he can get it done.
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I like what Parcells has done so far overall. Some players I just wish he would have kept around a little longer though. For example, I think Vollers could have played LT when Adams went down. Then, Parcells could have kept Tucker at RT and the OL would have been more productive. I just don't see how players like Ethan Brooks or Marc Colombo were going to be any better, than a guy who already knew the playbook like Vollers.
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wayne_motley said:
Not really when you consider that Holmgren basically took over a playoff team when he got there. Erickson and the Seahawks should be made the playoffs in his final year but got screwed by the infamous Jets goalline TD that never happened, knocking them out of the playoffs. Its not like he took over a 6-10 team or something.
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Doomsday said:
or three consective 5-11 teams
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In defense of the knee-jerkers (and I personally think they're :thumbdo, these teams that Holmgren and Cowher coach, are right there almost every year, legitimate playoff contenders. The Cowboys haven't been able to do that, even though they've had two winning seasons out of three.
Never mind, there's no defense.
, these teams that Holmgren and Cowher coach, are right there almost every year, legitimate playoff contenders. The Cowboys haven't been able to do that, even though they've had two winning seasons out of three.Never mind, there's no defense.
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Kittymama said:
He may look very smart in two weeks....