HoF coverage

[ghosttown cowboy]

In Darrell Green's speech, I was waiting for an "even though I couldn't cover Michael Irvin, I thank the committee for electing me to the hall"...

 

[Cajuncowboy]

It makes a bold statement about our Cowboys. We are the best there was, the best there is and the best there ever will be. And they hate us for it.

That said, you'd think that they played us 16 games every year forever because they don't chant anything like Eagle sux or anything else.

 

[Bizwah]

It'll only get worse after number six.

 

[Everlastingxxx]

I love that these guys have nothing better going in their life than to hate the Cowboys. They honor the Cowboys by showing hate.

 

[cowboys#1]

i love it...it means that its football season baby!

 

[djtavo]

Hatorade consists of the following ingredients:

• 80% Commanders
• 10% EAGLES
• 10% GIANTS

 

[BnGFever]

you have a crowd filled mostly with 12,000 Commanders fans, and you're surprised when the boo or cheer when they hear news of their most hated rival? Should they, a crowd of Commanders fans have cheered and embraced michael irvin? Would a crowd filled with cowboys fans cheer art monk or green? I don't think so. Some of you will find almost anything to whine about.

 

[risco]

you have a crowd filled mostly with 12,000 Commanders fans, and you're surprised when the boo or cheer when they hear news of their most hated rival? Should they, a crowd of Commanders fans have cheered and embraced michael irvin? Would a crowd filled with cowboys fans cheer art monk or green? I don't think so. Some of you will find almost anything to whine about.

No- you got it all wrong. Most cowboys fans will careless about any other team. I doubt seriously that Cowboys fans hate other teams as much as other fans hate the cowboys. And yes, I think it was stupid for classless Commanders fans to be concerned with booing Mike on a day that celebrated HoF inductees from their team. I don't give the Commanders, eagles, giants or any other team fans the time of day when they want to hate on the Cowboys. It's like this- "Never get into an argument with stupid people. They will bring you down to their level and beat you with their experience."

Risco

 

[djtavo]

you have a crowd filled mostly with 12,000 Commanders fans, and you're surprised when the boo or cheer when they hear news of their most hated rival? Should they, a crowd of Commanders fans have cheered and embraced michael irvin? Would a crowd filled with cowboys fans cheer art monk or green? I don't think so. Some of you will find almost anything to whine about.

They are places and occasions to boo, this was not one of them.

 

[Hostile]

I love that these guys have nothing better going in their life than to hate the Cowboys. They honor the Cowboys by showing hate.

That's what I am talking about. Trust me, no one gives a flying crap about a doormat team. The Lions will never be booed by Bears fans who are there for their own. They simply don't matter.

The Cowboys matter.

 

[DallasEast]

What would the NFL be without the Cowboys?

It would be much more boring league, that's for sure. Dallas is the sole team that the whole league loves to hate. Question: WHO would take our place???

Why?

Did something happen to make you think it would suddenly stop?

It'll only get worse after number six.

Why? The hatred peaked during the 70's and has stayed steady ever since. The hatred could lessen, but I doubt it could ever get any worse. Then again, non-Cowboys fans could turn to organized violence, but let's hope it never morphs into that...

 

[Zaxor]

It never ceases to amaze me the ridiculous Cowboys hate that goes on.

There are obviously loads of Commanders fans in the crowd. But as soon as Michael Irvin appeared on Total Access coverage, the "Cowboys Suck!" chants began. They boo'd him when he took the stage.

As I am typing this, Ed DeBartolo, Jr. is presenting Fred Dean, and mentioned beating the Cowboys, which brought cheers, followed by mentioning Danny White being sacked...more cheers.

It floors me that these people seem to take more glee in hating the Cowboys than they do at the achievements of their HoF inductees.

Yes, I know this is all known behavior, but even now I ask myself, "What is wrong with these people?"

Disgusting and pathetic.

I thought about this when I was younger...Here is the conclusion I came to...see if you agree.

If the Disgusting and Pathetic had any intelligence, sense or class... they wouldn't be disgusting and pathetic. Amazingly simple when you look at it like that.

Thus for the most part the Disgusting and Pathetic are stupid, senseless and classless... In their sick little world, their hatred of the Cowboys is greater than their love of their own team... So if they are rude and obnoxious it is to be after all expected from the heathens.

They should be beneath your contempt along with their team... Ignore them as you would any worm or slug.

The people who seem to hold a greater amount of intelligence, sense and class are very likely to be a Cowboy fan. (That of course isn't always the case but it holds true for a good percentage)

We as Cowboy fans hold ourselves to a higher standard, which of course tends to further enrage the savages. Understand that through all their bile and venom they would like nothing better than to be you. They are aware however they will never be worthy.

Sad really, but not worth worry over.

I hoped that helped.

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

Finding a Commander at the Hall Of Fame is like finding a roach at Dairy Queen. In the back of your mind you knew some were there. But you try not to think about it.

As of last night there are more 'Skins in the HOF, then 'Boys

As for booing Irvin? Its Irvin, he is easy to boo

Troy Aikman wouldn't get that kind of treatment. Tom Landry wouldn't either. Emmit would because he is an awful commentator on ESPN. Darren Woodson? Na. Nate Newton? Yes sir. Jay Novacek? Not at all

Men like Aikman, Landry, Novacek, Dorsett, Calvin Hill, the way they carried themselves, it was easy to like them even if they played for the wrong colors

Guys like Dieon, Irvin, even Emmit Smith to a degree with his whole taking off the helmet thing, they were easy to hate, even if they had played for the right colors ( and when Dieon was in the right colors he was never embraced by the Skins faithful), not because of how great they were as players, but because of how they carried themselves on and off the field.

Aikman, Landry, Novacek, Woodson, Hill, those are guys who represented themselves on and off the field quite well, not only as great players, but humble competitors, and great men off the field.

So chanting "Cowboys suck" around Irvin, not unexpected, that happens anytime he shows up in DC for a game. But when Aikman is in DC doing interviews, the treatment is far different

Likewise with today's crop of Cowboys, its easy to like a DeMarcus Ware or Marion Barber and Jason Witten, they are great players who play the game the right way on the field, and are terrific off the field. Its easy to hate TO and Romo, guys who seem to bring attention to themselves whenever possible, both on and off the field.

Thats my personal take at least.

 

[DallasEast]

As of last night there are more 'Skins in the HOF, then 'Boys

That's one way to look at it. Just for the heck of it, let's look at it another way.

Remove the part-timers:

• Herb Adderley, Lance Alworth, Mike Ditka, Forrest Gregg, Tommy McDonald and Jackie Smith from the Cowboys

• Deacon Jones, Stan Jones, Paul Krause, Curly Lambeau and Vince Lombardi from the Commanders

--and the number of enshrined Commanders to Cowboys, who spent the majority of their careers with Washington and Dallas, drops to 17 and 10, respectively. Not a huge margin of difference between two franchises created in two different eras. Speaking of eras, please indulge me a bit more, 'kay?

The Boston Braves stepchildren have been around nearly 30 yards longer Dallas. It would've been even longer if a certain racist owner had his way, but I digress.

Six enshrines, five Commanders' players and one coach, Cliff Battles, Sammy Baugh, Bill Dudley, Turk Edwards, Ray Flaherty and Wayne Millner, entered the hall at least four years before the first full-time Cowboy, Bob Lilly, joined them in 1980. That kinda makes sense. After all, Lilly retired in '74. The aforementioned group of leatherheads had hung up their cleats and clipboard at least two decades earlier. Talk about equal footing (/sarcasm off). We could add the patriarch of Native American affairs George Marshall, who passed away nine years after Dallas joined the league and who owned the team for almost 30 years prior, but let's not be too picky.

Taking this into account, the number of Commanders who have 'competed' for Board of Selectors' votes for enshrinement during a similar timeframe with Cowboys drops to 11 for Washington and 10 for Dallas. Speaking of the Board...

The Board of Selectors have excluded a number of Cowboys from the great Dallas teams of the late '60's, 70's and early 80's. Who knows? A little less Dallas hate here or there amongst them would've pumped up the total of enshrined Cowboys well-before Aikman, Irvin and Wright's inductions.

But enough of that. Be proud of the actual number that favor Commanders over Cowboys in the Hall. Nothing like a little personnel padding, time, golden age participants and anti-Cowboys bias to hang your hat on, right?

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

That's one way to look at it. Just for the heck of it, let's look at it another way.

Remove the part-timers:

• Herb Adderley, Lance Alworth, Mike Ditka, Forrest Gregg, Tommy McDonald and Jackie Smith from the Cowboys

• Deacon Jones, Stan Jones, Paul Krause, Curly Lambeau and Vince Lombardi from the Commanders

--and the number of enshrined Commanders to Cowboys, who spent the majority of their careers with Washington and Dallas, drops to 17 and 10, respectively. Not a huge margin of difference between two franchises created in two different eras. Speaking of eras, please indulge me a bit more, 'kay?

The Boston Braves stepchildren have been around nearly 30 yards longer Dallas. It would've been even longer if a certain racist owner had his way, but I digress.

Six enshrines, five Commanders' players and one coach, Cliff Battles, Sammy Baugh, Bill Dudley, Turk Edwards, Ray Flaherty and Wayne Millner, entered the hall at least four years before the first full-time Cowboy, Bob Lilly, joined them in 1980. That kinda makes sense. After all, Lilly retired in '74. The aforementioned group of leatherheads had hung up their cleats and clipboard at least two decades earlier. Talk about equal footing (/sarcasm off). We could add the patriarch of Native American affairs George Marshall, who passed away nine years after Dallas joined the league and who owned the team for almost 30 years prior, but let's not be too picky.

Taking this into account, the number of Commanders who have 'competed' for Board of Selectors' votes for enshrinement during a similar timeframe with Cowboys drops to 11 for Washington and 10 for Dallas. Speaking of the Board...

The Board of Selectors have excluded a number of Cowboys from the great Dallas teams of the late '60's, 70's and early 80's. Who knows? A little less Dallas hate here or there amongst them would've pumped up the total of enshrined Cowboys well-before Aikman, Irvin and Wright's inductions.

But enough of that. Be proud of the actual number that favor Commanders over Cowboys in the Hall. Nothing like a little personnel padding, time, golden age participants and anti-Cowboys bias to hang your hat on, right?

Boy that was a completely useless post. You really spent time doing that research?

Here is the thing. Lombardi goes in as a Packer, not a Commander. Ditto Deacon Jones a Ram. You think Art Monk represents the Jets and Eagles in the HOF?

http://www.profootballhof.com/history/team.jsp?franchise_id=32

So again, you don't see Lombardi on that list. Neither Deacon Jones, Paul Krause, Curley Lambeau


The number in terms of Commanders advantage over the Cowboys that I am always more impressed by is the 2-0 in NFC Title games. When the chips are on the line, and one game matters, and these teams played head to head, the Commanders won. And won big. Because after all, we are all about championships, right?

 

[DallasEast]

Boy that was a completely useless post. You really spent time doing that research?

"Useless?" Maybe, but not anywhere close as useless as a Commanders on a Cowboys forum.

Here is the thing. Lombardi goes in as a Packer, not a Commander. Ditto Deacon Jones a Ram. You think Art Monk represents the Jets and Eagles in the HOF?

http://www.profootballhof.com/history/team.jsp?franchise_id=32

So again, you don't see Lombardi on that list. Neither Deacon Jones, Paul Krause, Curley Lambeau

Remember, reading can be your friend, but don't try re-reading my post.

The proper hall of fame link: http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/teams.html


Hall of Famers by Franchise

Franchise Members Totals | Defunct and Other Leagues

NOTE: In this listing - a Hall of Famer is named under all clubs on which he made his primary contribution to professional football - (i.e. - Chuck Noll is listed under Pittsburgh as a coach - but not under Cleveland as a player). Hall of Famers who made the major part of their primary contribution for any one club are listed in BOLD CAPS. In cases where a player contributed about equally and in a major way to two or more clubs - he is listed in BOLD CAPS under both clubs (ie. Nick Buoniconti is listed with both the Patriots and Dolphins as his primary teams). Hall of Famers who spent only a minor portion of their career with any club are listed under that club in lower case.​

The number in terms of Commanders advantage over the Cowboys that I am always more impressed by is the 2-0 in NFC Title games. Because after all, we are all about championships, right?

Change the subject time, eh? Okay.

Yeah, yeah, 2-0 in NFC title games versus Dallas. We are always your Super Bowl. Yada yada yada. If your franchise had better focus, it wouldn't be 1-1 in those two Super Bowl appearances. Needless to say, the Commanders would probably be 0-2 in those two Super Bowl appearances if not for the strike year.

What else?

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

"Useless?" Maybe, but not anywhere close as useless as a Commanders on a Cowboys forum.Remember, reading can be your friend, but don't try re-reading my post.

The proper hall of fame link: http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/teams.html


Hall of Famers by Franchise

Well looking at that link, here are the Commander HOF's. Notice with the names of Lombardi, Deacon Jones, Curley Lambeua, Paul Krause the total goes up from 17 to 22.

Again, the Commanders have 17 HOF's which is the basis of my thesis, which is more the Cowboys have at 10 HOF's.

GEORGE ALLEN (2002) - 1971-1977
CLIFF BATTLES (1968) - 1932, 1933-1936, 1937
SAMMY BAUGH (1963) - 1937-1952
BILL DUDLEY (1966) - 1950-1951, 1953
ALBERT GLEN (TURK) EDWARDS (1969) - 1932, 1933-1936, 1937-1940
RAY FLAHERTY (1976) - 1936-1942
JOE GIBBS (1996) - 1981-1992
DARRELL GREEN (2008) - 1983-2002
KEN HOUSTON (1986) - 1973-1980
SAM HUFF (1982) - 1964-1967, 1969
David (Deacon) Jones (1980) - 1974
Stan Jones (1991) - 1966
SONNY JURGENSEN (1983) - 1964-1974
Paul Krause (1998) - 1964-1967
Earl (Curly) Lambeau (1963) - 1952-1953
Vince Lombardi (1971) - 1969
GEORGE PRESTON MARSHALL (1963) - 1932, 1933-1936, 1937-1969
WAYNE MILLNER (1968) - 1936-1941, 1945
BOBBY MITCHELL (1983) - 1962-1968
ART MONK (2008) - 1980-1993
JOHN RIGGINS (1992) - 1976-1979, 1981-1985
CHARLEY TAYLOR (1984) - 1964-1975, 1977

From your same link, there are 10 ALL CAPS for the Cowboys. Above there are 17 ALL CAPS for the Commanders

Herb Adderley (1980) - 1970-1972
TROY AIKMAN (2006) - 1989-2000
Lance Alworth (1978) - 1971-1972
Mike Ditka (1988) - 1969-1972
TONY DORSETT (1994) - 1977-1987
Forrest Gregg (1977) - 1971
MICHAEL IRVIN (2007) - 1988-1999
TOM LANDRY (1990) - 1960-1988
BOB LILLY (1980) - 1961-1974
Tommy McDonald (1998) - 1964
MEL RENFRO (1996) - 1964-1977
TEX SCHRAMM (1991) - 1960-1989
Jackie Smith (1994) - 1978
ROGER STAUBACH (1985) - 1969-1979
RANDY WHITE (1994) - 1975-1988
RAYFIELD WRIGHT (2006) - 1967-1979

My original response was to a post clearly ignorant of these facts above. The whole "there are more Commanders in the HOF then Cowboys " which you then attempted to spin, but failed at miserably

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Change the subject time, eh? Okay.

Yeah, yeah, 2-0 in NFC title games versus Dallas. We are always your Super Bowl. Yada yada yada. If your franchise had better focus, it wouldn't be 1-1 in those two Super Bowl appearances. Needless to say, the Commanders would probably be 0-2 in those two Super Bowl appearances if not for the strike year.

What else?

Of course, the strike year. Except if Dallas beats Washington in 1982, that Superbowl magically counts for Dallas

Again, I thought it was about championships? It is to me at least

 

[theebs]

As of last night there are more 'Skins in the HOF, then 'Boys

As for booing Irvin? Its Irvin, he is easy to boo

Troy Aikman wouldn't get that kind of treatment. Tom Landry wouldn't either. Emmit would because he is an awful commentator on ESPN. Darren Woodson? Na. Nate Newton? Yes sir. Jay Novacek? Not at all

Men like Aikman, Landry, Novacek, Dorsett, Calvin Hill, the way they carried themselves, it was easy to like them even if they played for the wrong colors

Guys like Dieon, Irvin, even Emmit Smith to a degree with his whole taking off the helmet thing, they were easy to hate, even if they had played for the right colors ( and when Dieon was in the right colors he was never embraced by the Skins faithful), not because of how great they were as players, but because of how they carried themselves on and off the field.

Aikman, Landry, Novacek, Woodson, Hill, those are guys who represented themselves on and off the field quite well, not only as great players, but humble competitors, and great men off the field.

So chanting "Cowboys suck" around Irvin, not unexpected, that happens anytime he shows up in DC for a game. But when Aikman is in DC doing interviews, the treatment is far different

Likewise with today's crop of Cowboys, its easy to like a DeMarcus Ware or Marion Barber and Jason Witten, they are great players who play the game the right way on the field, and are terrific off the field. Its easy to hate TO and Romo, guys who seem to bring attention to themselves whenever possible, both on and off the field.

Thats my personal take at least.

Why would you include romo with owens? Why would anyone hate romo. that is the most absurd assesment I have seen.

Romo doesnt play the game the right way? Since when?

Sounds like sour grapes to me.

 

[Woods]

"As of last night there are more 'Skins in the HOF, then 'Boys"


As for me, I think that the HOF balloting and the process is very biased. And this has nothing to do with the Cowboys or the Skins or the Steelers or the 49ers, etc. I just don't see the "process" as very transparent what-so-ever.

My bottom line has always been Super Bowl wins. There is no bias, it's only truth. (o.k., maybe the Pats are the exception ) At the end of the year, one team wins, and there are no "ifs", "ands", or "buts".

And whoever accumulates the most trophies is recognized as the most successful team since the Super Bowl era started.

But that's just me . . . .

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

Why would you include romo with owens? Why would anyone hate romo. that is the most absurd assesment I have seen.

Romo doesnt play the game the right way? Since when?

Sounds like sour grapes to me.

No, not really. He seems to be the "about me" player. Going on vacation before a playoff game was a pretty thing selfish thing to do, and it cost you guys a shot at the Superbowl (as evidenced by his no up to par performance that day)

Owens has plenty of history to hate him on