HoF coverage

[DallasEast]

Well looking at that link, here are the Commander HOF's. Notice with the names of Lombardi, Deacon Jones, Curley Lambeua, Paul Krause the total goes up from 17 to 22.

Again, the Commanders have 17 HOF's which is the basis of my thesis, which is more the Cowboys have at 10 HOF's.

From your same link, there are 10 ALL CAPS for the Cowboys. Above there are 17 ALL CAPS for the Commanders

Again, reading can be your friend.

Does my original post state or does not state 17 for Washington and 10 for Dallas? Can't find it? You quoted it. Do you wish for me to excerpt it for you? Tell me.

Of course, the strike year. Except if Dallas beats Washington in 1982, that Superbowl magically counts for Dallas

Again, I thought it was about championships? It is to me at least

Nope. Not about championships. That's what you're (still) attempting to morph the conversation into.

You're right about the strike year Super Bowl though. Many of my fellow Cowboys fans will be upset with me (again) but... A Super Bowl is a Super Bowl and a strike year Super Bowl is one with an asterisk--no matter which team wins it, which, by the way, ONLY the Commanders have accomplished out of the only two opportunities in Super Bowl history.

And yes, we would've beaten the Dolphins in Super Bowl VII (you posers).

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

"As of last night there are more 'Skins in the HOF, then 'Boys"


As for me, I think that the HOF balloting and the process is very biased. And this has nothing to do with the Cowboys or the Skins or the Steelers or the 49ers, etc. I just don't see the "process" as very transparent what-so-ever.

My bottom line has always been Super Bowl wins. There is no bias, it's only truth. (o.k., maybe the Pats are the exception ) At the end of the year, one team wins, and there are no "ifs", "ands", or "buts". And whoever gets the most trophies is recognized as the most successful team since the Super Bowl era started.

But that's just me . . . .

I can agree with that. I am not a fan of the HOF process at all, and when it all comes down to it, its about the rings

Now if I wanted to be a real prick and spin things, the Commanders do have 5 World Championships. But that is the type of stat that gives Eagle fans pride :laugh2:

 

[DallasEast]

I can agree with that. I am not a fan of the HOF process at all, and when it all comes down to it, its about the rings

Now if I wanted to be a real prick and spin things, the Commanders do have 5 World Championships. But that is the type of stat that gives Eagle fans pride :laugh2:

World championships. Super Bowls. You may as well be comparing apples and oranges.

 

[theebs]

No, not really. He seems to be the "about me" player. Going on vacation before a playoff game was a pretty thing selfish thing to do, and it cost you guys a shot at the Superbowl (as evidenced by his no up to par performance that day)

Owens has plenty of history to hate him on

most of the team went out of town. Romo threw about 3 bad passes the whole game. Care to break down his not up to par performance for me?

He is not an about me player, that comes from the media's fascination with him.

Terence newman was in Kansas over that weekend. Most of the team went places. Lots of players do that. It had nothing to do with the football game.

about me players taunt and celebrate. They call people out and declare there own greatness. Romo is far far from that.

Its pretty sad that people can't see through all the media crap, that is why I cant stand espn and its lousy shows. This is the end result.

 

[Woods]

I can agree with that. I am not a fan of the HOF process at all, and when it all comes down to it, its about the rings

Now if I wanted to be a real prick and spin things, the Commanders do have 5 World Championships. But that is the type of stat that gives Eagle fans pride :laugh2:

Well, history does mean a lot to me.

So that's why I said in the Super Bowl era.

I don't want to take anything away from the previous great teams and players.

But to compare apples to apples, I think you've got to start since the Super Bowl era.

But I know what you mean, the Eagles have to dig pretty far back . . . . kind of like Italy going back to the Romans, China to the Ming Dynesty, etc. :laugh2:

 

[Bizwah]

I don't know why it bothers folks to hear, "Cowboys Suck'. I mean, I hate it, but it doesn't bother me.

Why?

I've heard it ever since I became a Cowboy fan (1982 when I first saw them at Texas Stadium). I've heard it every time I wear Cowboy's apparel. I hear it every time I get out of my vehicle (Cowboys sticker on it). I hear it every day from my friends.

Maybe it's something those of us not from Texas are more used to.

I love the Cowboys....but when I hear "Cowboys Suck" it makes me proud. Proud that someone feels they have to go out of the way to "insult" my team. This is a testament to the greatness of our team. You don't hear "Niners Suck" when Steve Young comes on....or "Rams Suck" when Marshall Faulk comes on....or even "Steelers Suck" when Rod Woodson makes an appearance.

Just shows you that we're the ones everyone is jealous of. We're the team every other fan wants to be rooting for.

 

[Kilyin]

By far the worst part of the whole ceremony was listening to Robert Kraft babble incessantly for what seemed like hours as he sweated profusely and read from his script, sounding as disingenuous as possible.

I expected the idiot Deadskin fans to boo Irvin and any mention of the Cowboys.

 

[DallasEast]

I don't know why it bothers folks to hear, "Cowboys Suck'. I mean, I hate it, but it doesn't bother me.

Why?

I've heard it ever since I became a Cowboy fan (1982 when I first saw them at Texas Stadium). I've heard it every time I wear Cowboy's apparel. I hear it every time I get out of my vehicle (Cowboys sticker on it). I hear it every day from my friends.

Maybe it's something those of us not from Texas are more used to.

I love the Cowboys....but when I hear "Cowboys Suck" it makes me proud. Proud that someone feels they have to go out of the way to "insult" my team. This is a testament to the greatness of our team. You don't hear "Niners Suck" when Steve Young comes on....or "Rams Suck" when Marshall Faulk comes on....or even "Steelers Suck" when Rod Woodson makes an appearance.

Just shows you that we're the ones everyone is jealous of. We're the team every other fan wants to be rooting for.

Good post and it doesn't bother me when I hear other fans saying, "Cowboys suck". What annoys me is the dishonesty after you ask them why. Just say you're jealous and be done with it. The truth never hurt anyone.

 

[SA_Gunslinger]

i didn't see the cowboys hate, and if that happened that is just pathetic.

it's a HOF induction, not a game.


but i will say this about the skins fans....i saw the art monk ovation and they really showed him the love he deserved, so I will give them props for that.

plus anyone who wears the hogette outfit in that heat.....you have my respect.

 

[bbgun]

Wash Post:

The Commanders will not expose key starters such as running back Clinton Portis, tackle Chris Samuels, linebacker London Fletcher and defensive end Jason Taylor to injury. Cornerback Carlos Rogers, defensive end Erasmus James and linebacker Rocky McIntosh are coming off of major knee surgeries and will not play. Other injured players not slated to participate include top safety LaRon Landry (hamstring), starting defensive tackle Anthony Montgomery (broken hand) and two of the team's top three draft picks (wide receivers Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly are battling hamstring injuries). A host of players jostling for reserve spots, such as linebacker H.B. Blades, wide receiver Anthony Mix and linebacker Rian Wallace, are out as well.

 

[DallasEast]

http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080803/SPORTS03/808030357/1058/SPORTS03

Hall of Fame Game: Colts vs. Commanders

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Even in preseason, things bear watching[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Serif]Sorgi's development with first-teamers is key tonight, along with how guys hold up with the heavy hitting[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]By Mike Chappell[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]mike.chappell@indystar.com[/FONT]

The "necessary evil'' phase of an NFL season -- that would be preseason games -- takes its first steps this evening at Fawcett Stadium in Canton, Ohio.

It's the first of 65 preseason games on the league's docket, and the final event of Hall of Fame weekend.

It's the Indianapolis Colts against the Washington Commanders in the Hall of Fame Game.

It's a game that, from the Colts' viewpoint, has significant importance in terms of evaluating young talent but will lack a bit of star power. Among Indy's high-profile players who won't even make the trip are quarterback Peyton Manning, wide receiver Marvin Harrison, defensive end Dwight Freeney and safety Bob Sanders. They've combined for 21 Pro Bowl appearances.

But the game must go on, and here are some issues that bear monitoring:

Sorgi's stage: While Manning continues to recover from knee surgery, the No. 1 offense has been in the hands of backup Jim Sorgi. He'll probably play much of the first quarter, and tonight will be one of the rare occasions he'll have front-line players at his disposal. In previous preseason and regular-season appearances, he's been surrounded by second- and third-teamers and his productivity has been spotty at best.

No one expects the Sorgi-led offense to light up the scoreboard, but it's important for him to direct an efficient unit.

Run, run, run: One thing that has been clear at camp is that there's no lack of "quicks'' in the backfield. All of the running backs -- from Pro Bowler Joseph Addai to undrafted rookie Chad Simpson -- are blessed with speed.
But how will they fare under the lights when the hitting goes from light to heavy? Addai, Dominic Rhodes and even Kenton Keith are proven commodities. Now is the time for Clifton Dawson, sixth-round draft pick Mike Hart and Simpson to show they belong, and in which order.

Lining up: Position coach Howard Mudd might be overseeing his best collection of offensive linemen. There's a good mixture of veterans and rookies.

Preseason games are when Mudd truly finds out who can handle the pressure. He mixes and matches his linemen, forcing them to learn different positions.

The most interesting camp competition has been at right guard, where veteran Charlie Johnson and second-round draft pick Mike Pollak have been sharing the repetitions.

Defensive depth: The Colts will rely on several young defensive linemen this season, providing they hold up during the five-game preseason.
Keep an eye on Eric Foster at tackle. He's an undrafted rookie out of Rutgers. The Colts' last undrafted rookie out of Rutgers? Linebacker Gary Brackett.

At end, keep an eye on a pair of rookies -- fifth-round draft pick Marcus Howard and undrafted Curtis Johnson -- to see if they are viable pass-rush candidates, something the team is always seeking.

 

[WoodysGirl]

Zorn sees exhibition as a dress rehearsal for season's start

Sunday, Aug 03, 2008 - 12:07 AM Updated: 01:05 PM

By PAUL WOODY
TIMES-DISPATCH STAFF WRITER
Some people will call the Hall of Fame game tonight between the Washington Commanders and Indianapolis Colts a preseason game.

Commanders coach Jim Zorn thinks of it as a competitive dress rehearsal.

"We all have different jobs," Zorn said. "I have to know when to throw the red flag, when to call timeouts, how to call plays that put our guys in the best position possible to be successful.

"Coach Blache has to learn to use a headset. All the coaches have a different job in the press box. I'm going to watch how everybody does on the sideline. It's not just a matter of let me go out and do my job."

Greg Blache is the defensive coordinator, and this year, one defensive player on the field will be equipped with a headset in order to receive the calls from the sideline. Blache had his first experience with this during the Commanders' intra-squad scrimmage eight days ago. It did not go well.

Usually, preseason games focus on the performance of young players. Showing up well in games helps them make the team.

But all this is new for Zorn. He's been in dozens of preseason games, as a player and assistant coach. He never has been a head coach.

Many of those who don't coach think it is easy to know when to throw the red flag to challenge an official's ruling. Zorn might have thought that a time or two when he was the quarterbacks coach in Seattle.

If he did, he doesn't think that anymore. He and his staff have to get used to working together in a game situation, and Zorn never has been in charge of that situation. In the past, he would show up and do his job.

Now he has to be concerned with how everyone else does his job during a game.

"We have a lot of new players, and we're all thrust into a brand-new situation," Zorn said. "Even the veteran players don't know what I'm going to expect on the sidelines. There are a lot of things to be concerned with.

"I'm not a nervous sort of guy, and I've been in a lot of games. I don't believe I should feel any different. I'll be competitive, but I don't think I'll be nervous."

That's good, because some of the players will be nervous enough for Zorn and the entire city of Canton, Ohio, the site of the Pro Football Hall of Fame and tonight's game.

And those young players should get plenty of opportunities to settle their nerves. The starters are not likely to play much. Zorn wants to see starting quarterback Jason Campbell in a game situation, so Campbell might be in the entire first quarter, and maybe into the second.

When he comes out, the starting offensive line will follow. Zorn doesn't want his starters on the field longer than necessary. They have been practicing only two weeks. And Zorn and starting right tackle Jon Jansen know what happened the last time the Commanders played in the Hall of Fame game.

Jansen's Achilles tendon snapped, and Jansen wasn't even touched on the play. He was lost for the season.

Rookie offensive lineman Chad Rinehart will get plenty of playing time on the left side. Rookie tight end Fred Davis will have a chance to show his playmaking ability since the Commanders are short on wide receivers.

"What I want to see is our guys playing as hard they possibly can for whatever rep they're in. And I'd like to see them doing their assignments. It's one thing to play hard, but if you're running the wrong way, that's not good."

. . .

FURTHERMORE: It almost seems as if more Commanders will miss tonight's game than play. "Out" for the Commanders are: RB Clinton Portis (tight hip flexors), CB Carlos Rogers (knee), T Chris Samuels (elbow), S LaRon Landry (hamstring), WRs Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly (hamstrings), DT Anthony Montgomery (hand), LBs H.B. Blades (knee), and Rian Wallace (hand) and DE Erasmus James (knee). DE Jason Taylor, obtained in a trade with Miami on July 20, is not expected to play nor is LB London Fletcher. LB Rocky McIntosh, coming back from a major knee injury, is unlikely to play as is WR Anthony Mix (hamstring).

Contact Paul Woody at (804) 649-6444 or pwoody@timesdispatch.com.