HOF pass rushers

[CATCH17]

JPP and Aldon Smith looked pretty damn good last year.

And he was going to be our pick last year before the 9ers got him.

 

[KJJ]

It has occurred to me that finding great Pass Rushers is harder then finding great QBs.

Not sure about that because we're seeing a lot more OLB's putting up big sack totals than we saw years ago. Of the 10 top sack totals last season 6 were from OLB's. We're seeing a lot of DE's converted into standup OLB's who can run 4.5-4.6 40's. We're seeing pass rushers challenge the single season sack record almost every year. If you go back 10 plus years ago the top sack leaders for each season weren't putting up the sack totals we're seeing now.

From what I've seen it appears it's becoming easier finding players who can get to the QB with the defensive schemes we're seeing and all these speedy hybrid OLB's. Teams are putting a big premium on being able to rush the passer because the NFL is such a passing league. We saw 3 QB's last season put up over 5000 yards.

 

[Apollo Creed]

Suggs could have been a Cowboy instead of Newman there was a big debate on who the Cowboys were going to take in the 03 draft it was between Suggs and Newman. Reports were the Cowboys were considering trading down a few spots from #5 and selecting Suggs. Suggs went at #10 the Cowboys could have picked up an extra pick by trading down to grab him. He turned out to be a better player and is still playing at a high level.

Hindsight, hindsight.

And had we taken Suggs, we probably wouldn't have taken Ware in 05. Bill would've taken Spears or Derrick Johnson with our first pick and probably Matt Jones or Mark Clayton with our 2nd 1st round pick, ugh - with Aaron Rodgers still on the board.

See, it works both ways.

 

[CF74]

#79 Harvey Martin... My all time favorite pass rusher....:starspin

 

[Apollo Creed]

And he was going to be our pick last year before the 9ers got him.

Him and Ware coming off the edge would be lethal.

But even after his 14 sack season, knowing what we know now about the shape of our OL - we still probably needed to take the tackle at 9, especially one with T. Smith's upside, age, etc. So I think if Garrett & co had their choice, they'd still take our Smith over theirs.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Suggs could have been a Cowboy instead of Newman there was a big debate on who the Cowboys were going to take in the 03 draft it was between Suggs and Newman. Reports were the Cowboys were considering trading down a few spots from #5 and selecting Suggs.

What reports? Parcells mentioned the three players we were looking at, and Suggs wasn't one of them.

 

[Apollo Creed]

What reports? Parcells mentioned the three players we were looking at, and Suggs wasn't one of them.

Lol.

I love how confidently he just makes things up as common knowledge. Kids fastly become 'that guy' around the forum. He's got the spirit of Nors, with the insight of Bob Sacamano.

 

[Future]

I think this is more the case of a QB/offense bias in the Hall than it is a lack of great pass rushers in the league.

Yahtzee!

 

[burmafrd]

Suggs, Freeny, guys like that are good but not great. Show me players that can average a a sack a game during a whole season- that is a HOF Pass Rusher.

 

[KJJ]

Hindsight, hindsight.

And had we taken Suggs, we probably wouldn't have taken Ware in 05. Bill would've taken Spears or Derrick Johnson with our first pick and probably Matt Jones or Mark Clayton with our 2nd 1st round pick, ugh - with Aaron Rodgers still on the board.

See, it works both ways.

Thought you were going to put me on ignore? Not necessarily if you have an opportunity to add another great pass rusher next to another to give yourself bookend pass rushers you go for it. If you look at the current Cowboys defense one of the big problems is Ware is our only effective pass rusher. The Cowboys gave up a 3rd and a 5th to move back into the first rd in 07 to grab Spencer to replace an aging Greg Ellis. Spencer has never provided the pass rush opposite Ware the Cowboys were hoping for. Suggs put up 12 sacks his rookie year in Baltimore and 10.5 in 04. He was playing for a Ravens defense that's been consistently solid for years and was playing next to a younger Ray Lewis. Although the Cowboys D was ranked high in 03 it slipped to #16 in 04 so it was highly unlikely Suggs would have reach the sack totals he did in 03 and 04 playing on the Cowboys D.

The Cowboys still would have needed another solid pass rusher and with 2 #1's in 05 I still think Ware would have been the pick at #11. Ware was rated ahead of Derrick Johnson by almost everyone Johnson went at #15. As for Mark Clayton he went at #22 so none of those players including Spears who the Cowboys took at #20 were rated as high as Ware. Suggs not having a Ray Lewis next to him wouldn't have made enough of an impact on the Cowboys pass rush in 03 and 04 for the team to pass on Ware in 05. The Ravens put 47 sacks in 03 compared to 32 for the Cowboys.

 

[burmafrd]

Thought you were going to put me on ignore? Not necessarily if you have an opportunity to add another great pass rusher next to another to give yourself bookend pass rushers you go for it. If you look at the current Cowboys defense one of the big problems is Ware is our only effective pass rusher. The Cowboys gave up a 3rd and a 5th to move back into the first rd in 07 to grab Spencer to replace an aging Greg Ellis. Spencer has never provided the pass rush opposite Ware the Cowboys were hoping for. Suggs put up 12 sacks his rookie year in Baltimore and 10.5 in 04. He was playing for a Ravens defense that's been consistently solid for years and was playing next to a younger Ray Lewis. Although the Cowboys D was ranked high in 03 it slipped to #16 in 04 so it was highly unlikely Suggs would have reach the sack totals he did in 03 and 04 playing on the Cowboys D.

The Cowboys still would have needed another solid pass rusher and with 2 #1's in 05 I still think Ware would have been the pick at #11. Ware was rated ahead of Derrick Johnson by almost everyone Johnson went at #15. As for Mark Clayton he went at #22 so none of those players including Spears who the Cowboys took at #20 were rated as high as Ware. Suggs not having a Ray Lewis next to him wouldn't have made enough of an impact on the Cowboys pass rush in 03 and 04 for the team to pass on Ware in 05. The Ravens put 47 sacks in 03 compared to 32 for the Cowboys.

Hindsight is always 20-20. I remember a lot of scouts were dubious about Suggs after the combine.

 

[KJJ]

Lol.

I love how confidently he just makes things up as common knowledge. Kids fastly become 'that guy' around the forum. He's got the spirit of Nors, with the insight of Bob Sacamano.

I wasn't making up anything some in the Dallas media were reporting that Suggs was one of the players the Cowboys were interested in. The team needed a corner and a pass rusher. If you have issues with me stop reading my posts and put me on ignore like you said you were going to do a few days ago.

 

[burmafrd]

I wasn't making up anything some in the Dallas media were reporting that Suggs was one of the players the Cowboys were interested in. The team needed a corner and a pass rusher. If you have issues with me stop reading my posts and put me on ignore like you said you were going to do a few days ago.

and as it turned out the Media as usual was wrong.

 

[zrinkill]

Lol.

I love how confidently he just makes things up as common knowledge.

This ....

 

[KJJ]

What reports? Parcells mentioned the three players we were looking at, and Suggs wasn't one of them.

Reports from the Dallas media it wasn't like Newman was a lock at #5 Suggs was mentioned because the Cowboys also were in need of a pass rusher. Every year there's several players mentioned as possible picks for the Cowboys and Suggs was one of the players mentioned in 03.

 

[Apollo Creed]

Thought you were going to put me on ignore? Not necessarily if you have an opportunity to add another great pass rusher next to another to give yourself bookend pass rushers you go for it. If you look at the current Cowboys defense one of the big problems is Ware is our only effective pass rusher. The Cowboys gave up a 3rd and a 5th to move back into the first rd in 07 to grab Spencer to replace an aging Greg Ellis. Spencer has never provided the pass rush opposite Ware the Cowboys were hoping for. Suggs put up 12 sacks his rookie year in Baltimore and 10.5 in 04. He was playing for a Ravens defense that's been consistently solid for years and was playing next to a younger Ray Lewis. Although the Cowboys D was ranked high in 03 it slipped to #16 in 04 so it was highly unlikely Suggs would have reach the sack totals he did in 03 and 04 playing on the Cowboys D.

The Cowboys still would have needed another solid pass rusher and with 2 #1's in 05 I still think Ware would have been the pick at #11. Ware was rated ahead of Derrick Johnson by almost everyone Johnson went at #15. As for Mark Clayton he went at #22 so none of those players including Spears who the Cowboys took at #20 were rated as high as Ware. Suggs not having a Ray Lewis next to him wouldn't have made enough of an impact on the Cowboys pass rush in 03 and 04 for the team to pass on Ware in 05. The Ravens put 47 sacks in 03 compared to 32 for the Cowboys.

What in God's name did you just try to say?

And I'm still able to entertain myself every now and then by clicking on 'view post'. It's like a train wreck, ya can't help but watch the debacle ensue.

Can you provide any proof that the Cowboys were interested in Terrell Suggs?

That's right, you can't, just like you can't expect to talk game with the big boys spouting off unintelligibly like you do on a regular basis. Right back to where you belong, I'm a man of my word.

 

[KJJ]

I see the trouble makers are showing up again they still can't get me out of their heads. I thought only mentioning Romo stirred them up now it's every player. :laugh2:

 

[interestedobserver]

I think the OP's point was to point out to people how rare it is to find a consistent superstar pass rusher. We have a player in Ware who never misses games and consistently is at or near the top of the league in sacks, and will possibly go down as the greatest sack artist of all-time. Outside of Ware and Allen, there is no one currently in the league as consistently dominant. People expect to have a defense full of Hall of Fame pass rushers.

It's pretty rare to find a consistent superstar anything.

 

[KJJ]

What in God's name did you just try to say?

And I'm still able to entertain myself every now and then by clicking on 'view post'. It's like a train wreck, ya can't help but watch the debacle ensue.

Can you provide any proof that the Cowboys were interested in Terrell Suggs?

That's right, you can't, just like you can't expect to talk game with the big boys spouting off unintelligibly like you do on a regular basis. Right back to where you belong, I'm a man of my word.

The only thing that entertains you is calling out all Romo haters and starting trouble with me. Can you provide proof the Cowboys never once considered Suggs with their first pick in 03? You said you were putting me on ignore days ago but here you are looking to stir things up again. I'm here to discuss football with mature fans so you and the other trouble maker who's drifted in here and is so obsessed with me he sits around all day looking through my old posts need to get me out of your heads and tune me out.

 

[KJJ]

and as it turned out the Media as usual was wrong.

There's always a few players on the Cowboys radar and everyone speculates. All it takes is one unexpected pick at a certain spot for everyones mock drafts to go up in smoke.