Honest assessment of player values

[AbeBeta]

So Spears is only worth a 3rd round pick with that logic? I'll pass...

I'd be surprised if we could get a 3rd straight up for the guy. He's been an average player for two well respected 3-4 coaches.

 

[DasTex]

Do any of you actually watch the games?? Do you ever go back and key in on players? Spears means alot more to the defense, than most of you realize.

DEFINETLY more than a 3rd round draft pick. :bang2:

 

[YosemiteSam]

For reference...

Spears has 30 tackles and 2 sacks
Canty has 43 tackles and 3.5 sacks


So, unless I missed a 3-4 team, you can see that Spears is the worst starting DE in the league, at least statistically. Second worst in sacks (for players that played a full season) and worst in tackles. I know he's supposed to "absorb" blockers, but cmon now, you have to think he would do SOMETHING.

Note that Spears plays on Ware's side. Guess what Ware has that most OLBs don't have? Yep, 84 tackles and 14.5 sacks. 84 tackles is quite a large sum for an OLBer. Why did he have that many? Because Spear did his job and ate blockers so Ware could use his speed and quickness to make the play.

Is Spears a big-time playmaker? No, but what he doesn't do is what makes him a big-time player on the team. He does his job and hardly ever get caught out of position. That can't be said for Canty which everyone is in high praise of right now. Canty on several occasions broke into the backfield only to run right passed the RB allowing the RB to run through the gap he came through.

Spears is a solid player. You can't have nothing but playmakers at every position. Spears is a guy, you should be able to keep without completely breaking the bank, and you know what? He isn't going to lose a game for you.

 

[kmd24]

he [...] is questionable for training camp this year.

Do you have a link for this? I find that hard to believe since he won't require surgery and was slated to return for week 17.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Canty is in line with other starters, not better or worse just about where they are. He can make plays on occasion but isn't dominant.

Spears stands out when he makes a play because it is so seldom.

He isn't garbage but he is certainly not disruptive enough.

I wonder how Shaun Rogers would fit as a 3-4 DE. He is certainly more disruptive... internally and externally, lol. Adding his ex-UT teammate and changing his position worked wonders.

I think Rogers would be a pretty good fit for Wade's 34. He could play DE or NT in Wade's Scheme. He has the ability to penatrate at NT against the double or pursue from the DE spot. Rogers, I think, would work well in the scheme but he would have to be limited to the number of snaps he plays. The other interesting thing you could do with Rogers is flip him with Ratliff pretty easily. Would create match up problems for OLs as well. Could be interesting.

 

[L-O-Jete]

Note that Spears plays on Ware's side.

Are you sure? I thought it was Ellis, though they have been swapping more recently.

 

[Vintage]

Are you sure? I thought it was Ellis, though they have been swapping more recently.

You are correct.

Spears is usually on Ellis side; Canty on Ware's....

Unless we move our OLBs that the standard formation.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Are you sure? I thought it was Ellis, though they have been swapping more recently.

Ware - Spears - Ratliff - Canty - Ellis

Sometimes Ellis and Ware would swap sides just before the play started.

 

[Vintage]

Ware - Spears - Ratliff - Canty - Ellis

Sometimes Ellis and Ware would swap sides just before the play started.

Ware is a WOLB.

Teams typically line up their strong side on the right side offensively (left side defensively).

Ellis is the SOLB.

He lines up on the left.

Spears is the LDE according to DC.com

 

[fortdick]

Is anyone else sick of this,"Trade [insert name] for [insert name]?" This isn;t Madden. You cannot get your dream player on the field in this day and age. Heck, we don't know if we can afford to keep Hamlin and Flo, how we gonna afford All Pros at every positioon.

Spears is a solid starter. He does his job well. Is he the all wrold, beat all 3-4 DE? Nope, but he is a solid contributor that will stop the run.

Carpenter has not had the opportunity to play. His rookie year, he showed good things. Last year, he was hurt in preseason and Wade really didn't give him a chance. Spencer is in the same situation. Ellis is ahead of him in the rotation. He likely won't start next year. If Carp is a bust and only worth a fourth, then after next season, so is Spencer.

The only thing we really should be considering to trade is draft picks. I would gladly give our #28 for Roy Williams. We have to get a solid receiver somewhere. If we use #28 on a rookie WR that won't contribute for two years, then we won't be any better. We are better off getting an established player with experience.

To win the Super Bowl next year, we need a proven receiver, a starting caliber CB and a back up RB, if Jones leaves. Then we need depth after that. Another DE won't put us over the top. Replacing Spears may be harder than some of us think.

 

[Sandyf]

Realistically, Detroit is only asking a late 2nd or early 3rd for Williams according to the Detroit Free Press. If true, there is no reason to part with a #1 pick for him.

If Spears is only worth a 3rd round pick then do a straight up him for Williams.

IMO, Carpenter and Spears would both flourish in the 4-3 and both start for Detroit. So my trade would be Carpenter and Spears to Detroit for no less than Williams and their 3rd, personally I would hold out for their 2nd which I do think is of value.

 

[fortdick]

Realistically, Detroit is only asking a late 2nd or early 3rd for Williams according to the Detroit Free Press. If true, there is no reason to part with a #1 pick for him.

If Spears is only worth a 3rd round pick then do a straight up him for Williams.

IMO, Carpenter and Spears would both flourish in the 4-3 and both start for Detroit. So my trade would be Carpenter and Spears to Detroit for no less than Williams and their 3rd, personally I would hold out for their 2nd which I do think is of value.

Because of our need, I would take this. Although I feel Detroit would be making out.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Realistically, Detroit is only asking a late 2nd or early 3rd for Williams according to the Detroit Free Press. If true, there is no reason to part with a #1 pick for him.

If Spears is only worth a 3rd round pick then do a straight up him for Williams.

IMO, Carpenter and Spears would both flourish in the 4-3 and both start for Detroit. So my trade would be Carpenter and Spears to Detroit for no less than Williams and their 3rd, personally I would hold out for their 2nd which I do think is of value.

In theory, this sounds great but in reality, I doubt it would ever fly. Generally speaking, they would be trading for two #1 salary cap figures. This is not the best way for them to gain value. The only real reason they are trading Williams is because of the cap number he represents and the fact that they might gain a pick in return towards future prospects. I doubt they would make a trade like that. As has been said on this board many times, it is not very often you see players traded straight up because of cap limitations. Just not how it works in the NFL. To say nothing of the fact that while we may think they have value, they may not have value to Detroit. Detroit is going to be offered picks, probably by Houston, at the very least. Why would they just take our cast offs when they can more then likely work up a better deal for themselves with picks?

 

[MONT17]

Do any of you actually watch the games?? Do you ever go back and key in on players? Spears means alot more to the defense, than most of you realize.

DEFINETLY more than a 3rd round draft pick. :bang2:

I think Spears is a good locker room guy based on his post game quotes and I wonder if RW is damaged goods... I would like to see Jerry get Romeo more weapons but not at the expense of the teams chemistry!

 

[pgreptom]

We should be careful with Spears.....his lights are about to come on.

I go by the ol' Parcells rule(even though I hate him)

If you can't show me something in three years - let me show you something. It's called the door.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I go by the ol' Parcells rule(even though I hate him)

If you can't show me something in three years - let me show you something. It's called the door.

Well, perhaps it will make you feel better to know that this is not Parcells' rule. That rule was Coach Landry's. He passed it on to Parcells and that is how Parcells came to use it.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

only players that aren't expendable are....

tony romo
jason witten
andre gurode
roy williams
terrel owens
demarcus ware
bradie james
greg ellis/anthony spencer
Terrance Newman
Marc Culombo
Patrick Crayton

 

[Vintage]

I go by the ol' Parcells rule(even though I hate him)

If you can't show me something in three years - let me show you something. It's called the door.

Ty Warren took 4 years to click.

He's turned out to be a pretty damn good DE for them.

Not saying Spears will end up like that. But Spears is a pretty solid player as it now stands. He isn't a liability. Why trade him?

 

[CF74]

Ty Warren took 4 years to click.

He's turned out to be a pretty damn good DE for them.

Not saying Spears will end up like that. But Spears is a pretty solid player as it now stands. He isn't a liability. Why trade him?

Cause the homies be playin Madden wit Da Boyzzzzz