Honest question....

[Section446]

If Patrick Crayton was to replace Roy Williams in the starting lineup do you really think that the offense would be any worse off?

 

[casmith07]

If Patrick Crayton was to replace Roy Williams in the starting lineup do you really think that the offense would be any worse off?

Yes. Crayton is best in the slot.

 

[RainMan]

I think the challenge with Crayton is that he is most effective when working out of the slot. I don't think he's ever been a particularly threatening outside receiver, though he does provide a consistently unheralded, yeoman like effort out there.

As to your question, right now Roy truthfully looks like a JV player who got called up to varsity early in the week because of injuries. Given that he's not an unskilled player, I attribute it to the lack of rhythm he and Romo have really throwing him off his game.

For the long term betterment of this team -- contracts and draft picks aside -- we should all hope for Roy's eventual emergence. He's a more gifted player than Crayton and offers more mismatches and such. I don't mind fighting right now to ensure that he and Romo have this figured out come December. An on-the-same page Roy is better opposite Austin than Crayton IMO.

 

[Hostile]

Yeah, I do. That might start an avalanche, but I am serious.

 

[ElGatoGrande]

If the Cowboys are going to replace Roy with somebody I think that guy has to be a deep threat, otherwise they might as well keep Roy in there and hope that he and Romo can figure it out.

Right now though, having Roy out there is a liability and that ain't cool with the Eagles coming up next week,,, not cool at all,,, Ogletree is a speedy guy that runs good routes,,,

 

[gbrittain]

If it ain't broke...

 

[Everlastingxxx]

I think Crayton is best in the slot. But he is by far a better WR than Williams. I think Hurd or O-Tree would be more productive than Roy. I honestly believe he is holding this offense (and Romo) back. Reason why Garrett (or Jerry) is playing his less and less. I think Roy is a 3rd or 4th WR right now.

 

[ElGatoGrande]

If it ain't broke...

LOL, in the history of broken QB/WR hookups, the Romo-Williams connection is the most broken EVER,,, a million tiny shattered pieces and nobody has got any glue.

 

[craig71]

Williams brings way more to the table than Crayton.Williams has more speed and is a bigger physical presence.I think Williams has ran some 4.36 fourty times,it's just straight line speed though.Garrett needs to adjust the routes that Williams runs to capitilize on that speed(more crossing patterns,less stop-n-go).If Romo can hit Roy in stride he can scare a defense.Crayton is a quick player who has average size.While he is quick he isn't overly fast,he just doesn't have the speed to scare a defense.Crayton is better suited to the slot position,he has a knack for finding a soft spot in the defense.So in short order I don't believe that this team would be better off with Crayton as a starter on the outside,now if you go three wide and he starts in the slot that is another story.

Craig

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Yes, I do even though I admit that Roy had a very bad game today.

Roy still run blocks much better than Crayton and I believe that Roy's problem is that he's just not making the same reads and adjustments as Romo is making.

But, he still can get open much more often than Crayton. Also, Crayton did muff a punt today and fumble an end-around. If Crayton doesn't make that punt return TD, I think people would be calling for his head.

Also, Crayton mouthed off this week calling Dallas a 'top 5 team.' I'd rather keep him benched and playing in the slot so he *might* learn how to keep quiet.

So for now, I'll keep Miles and Roy starting, Crayton in the slot and punt returning.




YAKUZA

 

[RainMan]

Yes, I do even though I admit that Roy had a very bad game today.

Roy still run blocks much better than Crayton and I believe that Roy's problem is that he's just not making the same reads and adjustments as Romo is making.

But, he still can get open much more often than Crayton. Also, Crayton did muff a punt today and fumble an end-around. If Crayton doesn't make that punt return TD, I think people would be calling for his head.

Also, Crayton mouthed off this week calling Dallas a 'top 5 team.' I'd rather keep him benched and playing in the slot so he *might* learn how to keep quiet.

So for now, I'll keep Miles and Roy starting, Crayton in the slot and punt returning.




YAKUZA

Yakuza, I think you make a good point here that shouldn't be overlooked. In all the Romo-to-Roy mishaps, Roy has indeed been "open" on so, so many of them. For whatever reason they're not connecting, but Roy is positioning himself to make a play. I'm not convinced Crayton can create enough separation to consistently be targeted 5-to-10 times a game in a starting, non-slot role.

This is the fuel to my fire in hoping the "Roy is nothing more than a third or fourth receiver" ends up being nothing more than white noise.

 

[gbrittain]

LOL, in the history of broken QB/WR hookups, the Romo-Williams connection is the most broken EVER,,, a million tiny shattered pieces and nobody has got any glue.

The question is not how well Roy is performing. It is about inserting Crayton in Williams spot.

As most have said Crayton plays best in the slot.

 

[RS12]

No. RW does not appear to fit the offense as currently run, certainly not as a go go to receiver. Dont know that the offense fits his strengths.

 

[Section446]

I think the challenge with Crayton is that he is most effective when working out of the slot. I don't think he's ever been a particularly threatening outside receiver, though he does provide a consistently unheralded, yeoman like effort out there.

As to your question, right now Roy truthfully looks like a JV player who got called up to varsity early in the week because of injuries. Given that he's not an unskilled player, I attribute it to the lack of rhythm he and Romo have really throwing him off his game.

For the long term betterment of this team -- contracts and draft picks aside -- we should all hope for Roy's eventual emergence. He's a more gifted player than Crayton and offers more mismatches and such. I don't mind fighting right now to ensure that he and Romo have this figured out come December. An on-the-same page Roy is better opposite Austin than Crayton IMO.

Nothing as a fan of the Cowboys would make me happier than to see Roy Williams just start tearing the league apart. Can you imagine how dangerous we'd be if he stopped playing like a DII freshman and started playing like a man? We would be unstoppable on offense with all the firepower.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Also, Crayton mouthed off this week calling Dallas a 'top 5 team.' I'd rather keep him benched and playing in the slot so he *might* learn how to keep quiet.

I agree that that is a reaccuring problem with Crayfish. He thinks he's Reggie Swinton but he's no Reggie Swinton.

But he has been producing. And, further, put me down for believing crayfish is a better WR than RW and not pigeonholing him as a slot receiver.
For once, think outside of the cubicle, mens.

 

[Section446]

Yakuza, I think you make a good point here that shouldn't be overlooked. In all the Romo-to-Roy mishaps, Roy has indeed been "open" on so, so many of them. For whatever reason they're not connecting, but Roy is positioning himself to make a play. I'm not convinced Crayton can create enough separation to consistently be targeted 5-to-10 times a game in a starting, non-slot role.

This is the fuel to my fire in hoping the "Roy is nothing more than a third or fourth receiver" ends up being nothing more than white noise.

What's interesting is that Romo is throwing them too high to Williams. I'm wondering if Kitna's advice to Romo (to throw it four inches higher to Williams than you would a normal WR because he likes to go up for the ball) is backfiring a bit.

 

[Bleu Star]

There would be no drop off if Crayton replaced RW11 in the starting lineup. Imagine if we had Harvin though. Miles and Harvin would be sickness personified.

 

[Section446]

There would be no drop off if Crayton replaced RW11 in the starting lineup. Imagine if we had Harvin though. Miles and Harvin would be sickness personified.

Having Harvin on this team would simply be unfair to the rest of the league. There would be lawsuits abound due to the disadvantage that all defenses suffer. But we can "what if" all day long, imagine if we "had drafted" Randy Moss and he was here with Austin.

 

[ElGatoGrande]

The question is not how well Roy is performing. It is about inserting Crayton in Williams spot.

As most have said Crayton plays best in the slot.

Quote:
Originally Posted by gbrittain
If it ain't broke...

LOL, in the history of broken QB/WR hookups, the Romo-Williams connection is the most broken EVER,,, a million tiny shattered pieces and nobody has got any glue.

Man, you're all over the place. Obviously my comment was directed to your "If it ain't broke comment",,,, which is a head scratcher. That's okay though, enjoy the party!

 

[Hostile]

There would be no drop off if Crayton replaced RW11 in the starting lineup. Imagine if we had Harvin though. Miles and Harvin would be sickness personified.

Having Harvin on this team would simply be unfair to the rest of the league. There would be lawsuits abound due to the disadvantage that all defenses suffer. But we can "what if" all day long, imagine if we "had drafted" Randy Moss and he was here with Austin.

The Cowboys completely removed Harmon from their Draft board. There was a 0% chance he was coming here.