How about Jones for Dre Bly?

[baj1dallas]

Backus?

Furrey?

Sims?

Flozell is not good enough to be a LT but Backus is? He's never even sniffed a probowl, doesn't have the size or power to play RT, has more trouble with speed rushers than Flo, and doesn't project to guard.

What exactly would we be interested in him for?

Furrey is a good guy and a real "football player" but he doesn't bring anything that our other receivers don't bring.

Sims is just plain too small for the 3-4 and had trouble learning the system in Detroit last year...he would probably have similar trouble learning the system here.

Bly is imo the best player on that Detroit defense since he arrived (many would argue Shaun Rogers, who is talented but also lazy). Bly has a ton of heart. When the Lions are getting blown out (a frequent occurence) Bly is often the only one out there playing his butt off, chasing guys downfield to make tackles, trying to make game changing plays, and doing whatever he can to win. He is a bit small and will never be a great tackler at the corner position but he is willing. He could easily fit the 2nd corner role here and allow Henry to move to FS. For all the complaining about Henry not being able to "make plays on the ball" Bly would be the opposite, that is probably what he does best. With Newman shutting down the other side Bly would have a ton of opportunities to make plays.

I think Bly for Jones would be a great deal. Barber would have an opportunity to increase his role and it would be relatively easy to draft somebody to try and replace Jones.

 

[sjordan6]

I dont think you have to give up Julius to get Bly. Bly is in the last year of a contract that will pay him a base salary of about $5 million. The Lions will probably release him and take the cap hit. Bly will get more money if he is a free agent or renegotiate his current contract for three more years with another team.

I hear that Bly had his worst season as a Lion and that may be true but he is still a sold cornerback and he had more ints than our corners did in his worst season! The Lions had a very mediocre pass rush and Bly should be dogged for that?

I would definitely consider offering a 5th round pick and a Abram Elam/Sam Hurd/Jay Ratliff type player in exchange to restructure a deal with Bly for three more years at about $4 million a year (Aaron Glenn sorry but it is a young man's game). You already pay Glen $2million so if you give him a signing bonus he would be a good fit under the cap.

Just remember that he will cost more when he is release and will cost less than the Samuels and Clements of the world. And he has been to the Pro Bowl a few times and is still young at 29.

 

[CriscoKidd]

I dont think you have to give up Julius to get Bly. Bly is in the last year of a contract that will pay him a base salary of about $5 million. The Lions will probably release him and take the cap hit. Bly will get more money if he is a free agent or renegotiate his current contract for three more years with another team.

I hear that Bly had his worst season as a Lion and that may be true but he is still a sold cornerback and he had more ints than our corners did in his worst season! The Lions had a very mediocre pass rush and Bly should be dogged for that?

I would definitely consider offering a 5th round pick and a Abram Elam/Sam Hurd/Jay Ratliff type player in exchange to restructure a deal with Bly for three more years at about $4 million a year (Aaron Glenn sorry but it is a young man's game). You already pay Glen $2million so if you give him a signing bonus he would be a good fit under the cap.

Just remember that he will cost more when he is release and will cost less than the Samuels and Clements of the world. And he has been to the Pro Bowl a few times and is still young at 29.

completely agree with this post and I'd even be willing to give up a bit more for Bly.

wouldn't give up JJ for him though, and I'm not particularly fond of JJ either.

 

[StanleySpadowski]

Bly's the classic case of an overrated corner. He gambles a lot so he'll make the occasional play which gets him on the highlights but most people don't notice all the times he's beaten badly.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

Hmmm I wonder will the Cowboys play more man 2 man defense...

 

[Rack]

how about not trading our starting rb?

Well it's not like our starting RB is Stephen Jackson.

It hurts to say/type that.

The only Lions player I want is Roy Williams.

I wouldn't mind that at all. I was wrong about him. He still hasn't fully reached the productivity most around here said he would (what do you expect from a bunch of Horns' fans?), but he's done better then I expected.

Bly's the classic case of an overrated corner. He gambles a lot so he'll make the occasional play which gets him on the highlights but most people don't notice all the times he's beaten badly.

 

[VA Cowboy]

any opportunity for a jones slam, you just can't resist. : )

it's ok, i was the same way about parcells a lot. at least i admit it.

Well, he's not on my Christmas card list.

 

[baj1dallas]

Bly's the classic case of an overrated corner. He gambles a lot so he'll make the occasional play which gets him on the highlights but most people don't notice all the times he's beaten badly.

Did you form that opinion on your own analysis of his play or off what you read on some message board?

 

[dbair1967]

how about not trading our starting rb?

I agree...its a stupid idea...especially trading our starting RB who has alot of upside and his career ahead of him for a CB who has no upside and is coming off a medicore yr

David

 

[baj1dallas]

I agree...its a stupid idea...especially trading our starting RB who has alot of upside and his career ahead of him for a CB who has no upside and is coming off a medicore yr

David

you're absolutely wrong about no upside. consider kyle kosier. how bad was he in detroit? probably not even mediocre. but last year in dallas? better than average and it was his first year here, not to mention his first year starting at guard.

then consider bly. probably the best player on that defense and easily their biggest playmaker. as much heart as the rest of the defense combined. who knows how huge his impact could be here with tnew on the other side. they'd have to take shots at him just like they did at henry, only bly has the ability to make them pay.

 

[dbair1967]

you're absolutely wrong about no upside. consider kyle kosier. how bad was he in detroit? probably not even mediocre. but last year in dallas? better than average and it was his first year here, not to mention his first year starting at guard.

then consider bly. probably the best player on that defense and easily their biggest playmaker. as much heart as the rest of the defense combined. who knows how huge his impact could be here with tnew on the other side. they'd have to take shots at him just like they did at henry, only bly has the ability to make them pay.

Kyle Kosier wwasnt turning 30 when we signed him...he'd been in the league 3 or 4 yrs

Bly is clearly a guy with no upside...and he was absolute toast this yr on the field

its an awful idea

David

 

[Rack]

Did you form that opinion on your own analysis of his play or off what you read on some message board?

I can't answer for Stanley, but I can give you MY answer.

I've seen him play. He's a gambler, no different then Deltha O'Neal. He gives up more big plays/TDs then he gets Ints.


Do you remember when KeyShawn burned him for 2 TDs a couple of years ago? That's just a small sample of the type of player Bly is. And yes, I know, Bly had a 55 yard int returned for a TD that game. He gambled 3 times and won once.


Don't know why you think he's so great, but he isn't. And David is right, Bly has NO upside. He'll be 30 before next season starts and his play is based on speed. He isn't getting any faster which means more and more his gambling will result in TDs for the opposing team.


I don't think JuJo is near as good as anyone here thinks he should be, but I'd still rather have him then Bly.

 

[MetalHead]

Bly had the worst year in his stint with the Lions last year (6 ints). A year in which was the first that he played all 16 games with Detroit. No thanks. I'll pass. Jones means more to our team than Bly could at this point. Chances are that Bly will be cut anyway if a trade can't be worked out for him. I'd take my chances on a FA deal more than trading away one of our own.

SS

Bly had only 3 INT's last year in part because DET switched to the Tampa Two defense.
Bly is more a man to man corner and he is a playmaker that won't break your bank like Clement and Samuel.
He's a good player.

 

[Bizwah]

...oh, this is about Julius. For a minute I was all for it.

:laugh2:

I was about ready to post the same thing.

I'd trade Jerry for Bly in a heartbeat.

 

[VA Cowboy]

:toast:

:laugh2:

I was about ready to post the same thing.

I'd trade Jerry for Bly in a heartbeat.

:toast:

 

[StanleySpadowski]

Did you form that opinion on your own analysis of his play or off what you read on some message board?

I don't spend a lot of time on football boards but I do watch upwards of nine NFL games a week during the season and a few during the off-season.

I first started watching Bly his freshman year at UNC when he picked off everything in sight. Ever since then he's been known to bait QBs into throws so he can go for the pick. The problem is he fails more often than he's successful but those plays don't make sportscenter or detract pro bowl voters (see D. Hall).