How big of a need is DT 3T?

[J-man]

I do worry a little bit about the fit for Tank, but I can't see them making a drastic move, at least not before this season. If after the season, or perhaps by the trade deadline, it's apparent he can't do the job tasked him, then and only then, maybe they pull the trigger. But ya'll know how Jerry is with his guys once he's paid em. I just don't see it. I think Jerry would insist on keeping him and finding a way to maximize what he can do. And if Quinn can't, he'll be the one getting the blame for Tank's poor play and most likely gone before his contracts up.

 

[Cowboyny]

What an interesting discussion. Hadn't contemplated that our best defender may not even fit the defense.

I'd say it's unlikely Jerry plans to trade him, even if he doesn't fit the defense. That said, I could absolutely see Lawrence demanding a trade, especially if he's going to become a block eater at this point in his career. I can see him being more vocal about a bad role for him, especially after last year's fiasco with Nolan

The more of think about it, Tank's best spot in Quinn's scheme could very well be at the 3T. He has had good success as a down lineman, in a 1 gap, penetrating scheme. He might need to add a little more to his frame, but he could excel in that role.

 

[Cowboyny]

I do worry a little bit about the fit for Tank, but I can't see them making a drastic move, at least not before this season. If after the season, or perhaps by the trade deadline, it's apparent he can't do the job tasked him, then and only then, maybe they pull the trigger. But ya'll know how Jerry is with his guys once he's paid em. I just don't see it. I think Jerry would insist on keeping him and finding a way to maximize what he can do. And if Quinn can't, he'll be the one getting the blame for Tank's poor play and most likely gone before his contracts up.

I don't see it happening, but since Houston looks like in rebuild mode, I wonder if we could land JJ Watt for Tank. Watt would be the better fit, but he's old and is a fa after next season. We would probably need more to trade away Tank. In the process, Tank's big contract would come off the books.

 

[visionary]

Dlaw is paid 20 m a year. He better play the pass rush side that Clemons/Beasley played

problem is Gregory is better suited for the LEO RE

The LE in this defense is much more a run stopper like a 3-4 DE. I don’t think D Law has the intestinal fortitude to put team defense before personal stats and do the dirty work. We will try it but I don’t think it’s a good fit

 

[Future]

problem is Gregory is better suited for the LEO RE

The LE in this defense is much more a run stopper like a 3-4 DE. I don’t think D Law has the intestinal fortitude to put team defense before personal stats and do the dirty work. We will try it but I don’t think it’s a good fit

Sure, except for the fact that he might be the best run stopping DE in the entire league.

Have you actually watched the Cowboys in the last 4 years?

 

[visionary]

Sure, except for the fact that he might be the best run stopping DE in the entire league.

Have you actually watched the Cowboys in the last 4 years?

let’s see how many games it takes D Law before he starts crying

 

[cnuball21]

problem is Gregory is better suited for the LEO RE

The LE in this defense is much more a run stopper like a 3-4 DE. I don’t think D Law has the intestinal fortitude to put team defense before personal stats and do the dirty work. We will try it but I don’t think it’s a good fit

A quality DE in any 4-3 type defense needs to be able to stop the run and pressure the QB.

Dlaw was top 10 in run stopping and pass rush productivity last year, and he's one of the best run stopping DEs in all of football.

I'm not sure what you're getting at here?

 

[Cowboyny]

A quality DE in any 4-3 type defense needs to be able to stop the run and pressure the QB.

Dlaw was top 10 in run stopping and pass rush productivity last year, and he's one of the best run stopping DEs in all of football.

I'm not sure what you're getting at here?

Quinn will find a way to put Tank in the best positions to succeed.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Sure, except for the fact that he might be the best run stopping DE in the entire league.

Have you actually watched the Cowboys in the last 4 years?

It's not about how good or bad he is against the run. It's more about how his body will hold up against the role he will have to play within the scheme, and about if he will want to play the role of 5tech in that scheme.

Again, his job will not be to make plays against the run. His job will be to cover up the LBs so that they can make plays against the run. Big difference.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

A quality DE in any 4-3 type defense needs to be able to stop the run and pressure the QB.

Dlaw was top 10 in run stopping and pass rush productivity last year, and he's one of the best run stopping DEs in all of football.

I'm not sure what you're getting at here?

I think it would be helpful for you to study Quinn's scheme. Yes, it's a 4-3 over but it really plays like a 34. The DE's in this scheme are not like the traditional 43 DEs you reference. They don't play the same, the responsibilities are completely different and the body types are way different. DE's in this scheme are 300+ guys who play like 34 DEs and Elephant 260 type players that are cat quick off the edge. The traditional strong side 43 DE is not really a fit in this scheme.

 

[visionary]

A quality DE in any 4-3 type defense needs to be able to stop the run and pressure the QB.

Dlaw was top 10 in run stopping and pass rush productivity last year, and he's one of the best run stopping DEs in all of football.

I'm not sure what you're getting at here?

In Quinn’s defense, the LEO acts as a rusher and rover so the rest of the line essentially becomes a 3 man. Therefore the LE becomes much more like a 3-4 DE. I don’t think D Law can handle that game after game

 

[Cowboyny]

It's not about how good or bad he is against the run. It's more about how his body will hold up against the role he will have to play within the scheme, and about if he will want to play the role of 5tech in that scheme.

Again, his job will not be to make plays against the run. His job will be to cover up the LBs so that they can make plays against the run. Big difference.

Quinn’s defense employs a 4t at LE, 0-1T, 3T and a 9T. The left side of the line is more like 3-4 alignment, where the other side is more traditional 4-3, although the Leo can either can standing or his hand in the dirt lined up wide. I think Tank will be used on the right side in that one gap system which fits his skill set the most

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Quinn’s defense employs a 4t at LE, 0-1T, 3T and a 9T. The left side of the line is more like 3-4 alignment, where the other side is more traditional 4-3, although the Leo can either can standing or his hand in the dirt lined up wide. I think Tank will be used on the right side in that one gap system which fits his skill set the most

I don't see that. Seattle actually moves the LEO from right to left a lot more since the inception of this scheme but, having said all of this, the best fit for the rush and flush DE is Gregory and I think he is going to come alive in this scheme. So the question becomes, what do you have to pay Gregory once he has success, assuming it plays out like I think it will? His deal is up this year so meanwhile, you have Lawrence getting paid a boatload and you have Gregory, who is really gonna be the better fit for Leo, who will be demanding a lot more money and then what? You can't keep them both and if you get yourself in a position where you are up against the cap, nobody in the NFL is going to trade with you because they know you will eventually have to make a move. They will wait and renegotiate a different deal on the signing. They will leverage what the Cowboys have to pay him in dead cap and make a smart cap/roster move. But, if you trade him now, you can get value. You can have leverage and make a decent trade. If you wait, you take it in the nards.

That's just the truth of it.

 

[Cowboyny]

I don't see that. Seattle actually moves the LEO from right to left a lot more since the inception of this scheme but, having said all of this, the best fit for the rush and flush DE is Gregory and I think he is going to come alive in this scheme. So the question becomes, what do you have to pay Gregory once he has success, assuming it plays out like I think it will? His deal is up this year so meanwhile, you have Lawrence getting paid a boatload and you have Gregory, who is really gonna be the better fit for Leo, who will be demanding a lot more money and then what? You can't keep them both and if you get yourself in a position where you are up against the cap, nobody in the NFL is going to trade with you because they know you will eventually have to make a move. They will wait and renegotiate a different deal on the signing. They will leverage what the Cowboys have to pay him in dead cap and make a smart cap/roster move. But, if you trade him now, you can get value. You can have leverage and make a decent trade. If you wait, you take it in the nards.

That's just the truth of it.

I know they flip the Leo sometimes to the other side, what I was saying, two positions 1 gap in his scheme (Leo/3T), I think Tank plays the majority of his snaps with hand in the dirt at 3T.

T. Hill actually played two gap NT in Central Florida, I wonder if Quinn plays him some at the 4T LE.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I know they flip the Leo sometimes to the other side, what I was saying, two positions 1 gap in his scheme (Leo/3T), I think Tank plays the majority of his snaps with hand in the dirt at 3T.

T. Hill actually played two gap NT in Central Florida, I wonder if Quinn plays him some at the 4T LE.

I think it depends on what we draft in the upcoming draft on Hill. I don't know if he can hold up over a season as the NT/1Tech in this defense.

Lawrence, I don't see him wanting to play 3Tech in this scheme, which will really be more of a 5 Tech IMO but whatever, same situation. I don't see him embracing that because it seriously impacts his earning potential. JMO

 

[Cowboyny]

I think it depends on what we draft in the upcoming draft on Hill. I don't know if he can hold up over a season as the NT/1Tech in this defense.

Lawrence, I don't see him wanting to play 3Tech in this scheme, which will really be more of a 5 Tech IMO but whatever, same situation. I don't see him embracing that because it seriously impacts his earning potential. JMO

A lot of these questions will only be answered until we actually see how Quinn lines up these players. In my opinion, I think he is going to alter his scheme around the talents he does have here in Dallas and try to build around it.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

A lot of these questions will only be answered until we actually see how Quinn lines up these players. In my opinion, I think he is going to alter his scheme around the talents he does have here in Dallas and try to build around it.

That's not what he said. He did say he would see what talent he had and try to use unique skills for awhile. So I agree that he will use what he has, what choice does he have? But he's going to bring his guys in IMO. May take a year or two but that's what I read into his interviews.

 

[cnuball21]

I think it would be helpful for you to study Quinn's scheme. Yes, it's a 4-3 over but it really plays like a 34. The DE's in this scheme are not like the traditional 43 DEs you reference. They don't play the same, the responsibilities are completely different and the body types are way different. DE's in this scheme are 300+ guys who play like 34 DEs and Elephant 260 type players that are cat quick off the edge. The traditional strong side 43 DE is not really a fit in this scheme.

I’m pretty confident Quinn is going to have a plan for how to best utilize the best defender on his roster to utilize his talent.

If he doesn’t he should be fired immediately.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I’m pretty confident Quinn is going to have a plan for how to best utilize the best defender on his roster to utilize his talent.

If he doesn’t he should be fired immediately.

Why? Not every player fits every scheme. Some guys are completely wrong for it. I don't see why a guy who runs a specific scheme should be fired because he's doing what he was hired to do. That makes no sense to me.

 

[Malhavoc]

They’ll try to find a way to make it work with Lawrence this year, but I don’t expect to see him back in 2022.