How can Aikman get in the HOF but not Irvin?

[TruBlueCowboy]

Looking at some of the HOFers who are eligible this year, I have a feeling this is what will happen. Super Bowl QBs always get all the love.

My point is how can you not induct the one guy probably most responsible for Aikman's stats and wins? We had one of the best olines in NFL history, and Aikman looked like a crash test dummy in later years when it broke down, but I would say that benefited Emmitt more than Aikman. Novacek was a great tight end, and Mr. Reliable for Aikman when no one else was open, but nowhere near as good as Witten, Gonzalez and some of the best TEs today. Emmitt is the all-time leading rusher, but the Cowboys always used the pass to set up the run, and you can't tell me someone else couldn't have gotten 1,000 yards behind that oline. Emmitt allowed Aikman to sit back and do nothing in the second half, but I still don't think he was as vital as Irvin.

Michael Irvin once said in a TV interview that if you blindfolded both him and Aikman, they would still complete 90% of their passes because that's how well they knew each other. That timing-based offense depended on a guy like Irvin. Irvin was a Keyshawn with more speed. He could outmuscle anyone and always get relatively open for Aikman. He had hands of glue. Irvin was THE threat in the passing game. Defenses would put two, sometimes three men on him trying to take him out of the game. They didn't respect anyone else as much as they did Irvin.

Sorry fellas, I could see Aikman getting by without Emmitt, maybe some of those olinemen missing, maybe a lesser TE, but no way in hell Aikman does anything without Michael Irvin as his main man to move the chains. The biggest argument for Aikman stat-wise are his accuracy numbers and Aikman never goes above 60% each season if Irvin is missing.

 

[Silverstar]

The only thing missing on Aikman's resume is the Heisman.

He did everything a #1 pick at QB should do....win SB's.

He could have made Alvin Harper is go to receiver and Alexander Wright his deep threat IMO.


Aikman was that good.

 

[TheHustler]

They'll both get in.

 

[Silverstar]

They'll both get in.

ray2:

 

[blindzebra]

IMO, Irvin should not get in before players like Wright, Harris, Hayes, and Jones.

With Aikman almost a mortal lock, what are the odds of getting two Cowboys in, much less three?

The best case is that with all the anti-Cowboy backlash the voters have faced recently, that they will make a we will show you vote by inducting Aikman, Irvin and Wright.

But I won't hold my breath.

 

[THUMPER]

IMO, Irvin should not get in before players like Wright, Harris, Hayes, and Jones.

With Aikman almost a mortal lock, what are the odds of getting two Cowboys in, much less three?

The best case is that with all the anti-Cowboy backlash the voters have faced recently, that they will make a we will show you vote by inducting Aikman, Irvin and Wright.

But I won't hold my breath.

It's more likely to be just the opposite. The voters will NOT select a Cowboys just to show that all this anti-Cowboys stuff is hogwash and they aren't going to be intimidated by it.

These are sportswriters for God's sake! They represent the cities of the teams we beat the snot out of for the last 40 years. They hate the Cowboys and would love nothing better than to keep as many of them as possible out of their little shrine.

Until the HoF gets rid of the sportswriters as the selection committee and uses actual players & coaches it will continue to be a total sham and not worth wasting my time with.

We KNOW who the greatest players of all-time are and a heck of a lot of them wore the Star on their helmets. Let them keep their "Hall of FAME", I have my own "Hall of GREATNESS" where the greatest players are enshrined in my memory.

The NFL HoF is a joke and I feel bad for the players who are already in and deserved to be because they are shamed by the lack of fairness in the selection process.

 

[Taz]

they better put in esmith

 

[Dallas31]

IMO, Irvin should not get in before players like Wright, Harris, Hayes, and Jones.

I totally disagree with this.

Irvin IMO belongs in before any of those guys that you mentioned.

 

[Rack]

How can Aikman get in the HOF but not Irvin?

Getting ahead of yourself, aren't you? Who says Aikman will make the HoF this year?


I know some of you think he's a "Shoe-in" but recent history should make you think otherwise. I will never consider a Cowboy a "Shoe-in" until they change who or how players are voted into the HoF.

I thought Cliff Harris, Rayfield Wright, Bob Hayes, and Irvin were first ballot HoFers, shoe-ins if you will.

Don't assume anything. Do NOT be surprised by anything the media does. They have no more knowledge of the game then an average fan and they are just as bias as anyone else.

I won't be surprised if they screw Aikman this year, and none of you should be surprised either.

 

[NorTex]

Troy will get in because of his good standing with the media. That's just the way it works.

Other than Superbowl wins, he was a very good QB, without HOF numbers.

 

[bbgun]

Troy will get in and Mike will have to wait. Again.

 

[DallasDomination]

I though the HOF was more than just #s?



Aikman is a HOF no doubt and so should Irvin.


I hate all this Cowboys haters......

 

[JackMagist]

If Aikman is not a lock for the Hall of Fame then there is no reason to even discuss that institution ever again. It is that simple.

 

[SkinsandTerps]

If Aikman is not a lock for the Hall of Fame then there is no reason to even discuss that institution ever again. It is that simple.

Sounds like the Probowl doesnt it.

The HOF is a popularity contest. The media either loves you, hates you or undervalues a players worth to the franchise.

I know you guys dont want to read/hear this but Art Monk and Dave Butz not being in the HOF is as shameful to the game as Rayfield Wright and Bob Hayes being excluded.

Its BS.

 

[rcaldw]

Sounds like the Probowl doesnt it.

The HOF is a popularity contest. The media either loves you, hates you or undervalues a players worth to the franchise.

I know you guys dont want to read/hear this but Art Monk and Dave Butz not being in the HOF is as shameful to the game as Rayfield Wright and Bob Hayes being excluded.

Its BS.

I can actually agree with you on Art Monk, can't go with Dave Butz though

 

[SkinsandTerps]

I can actually agree with you on Art Monk, can't go with Dave Butz though

How about Joe Jacoby then ?

 

[rcaldw]

How about Joe Jacoby then ?

I think one measure of HOF worthiness is whether you thought about that player a lot when your team had to face them. I think offensive linemen even fit that description. You knew that Rayfield Wright could shut down another team's main pass rusher. You knew you could count on him. I'll be honest, Erik Williams fits that description for me. Reggie White never worried me in those big Packer matchups in the 90's because I knew that E. Williams had already proven he could handle him.

But personally, and you watched them more closely than I did (week in and week out), so I will bow to your knowledge of your team, but I didn't enter Commanders week thinking a whole lot about Dave Butz or Joe Jacoby. Art Monk, on the other hand, was very good for a VERY LONG TIME, and that says a lot.

 

[SkinsandTerps]

I am one of the few people who realize or believe that as solid as a defensive player that Charles Mann was he benefitted GREATLY by playing with Dexter Manley on the other side.

I believe the HOF guys take into consideration great coaches. That is why players like Butz, Jacoby, Wright, Harris, Monk, etc., are not in the HOF.

Many times a player gets credit for a coach or vice versa.

Landry and Gibbs may have actually hurt an individual because they both proved that it was more than one player, it was more than one play, it was a system.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Getting ahead of yourself, aren't you? Who says Aikman will make the HoF this year?


I know some of you think he's a "Shoe-in" but recent history should make you think otherwise. I will never consider a Cowboy a "Shoe-in" until they change who or how players are voted into the HoF.

I thought Cliff Harris, Rayfield Wright, Bob Hayes, and Irvin were first ballot HoFers, shoe-ins if you will.

Don't assume anything. Do NOT be surprised by anything the media does. They have no more knowledge of the game then an average fan and they are just as bias as anyone else.

I won't be surprised if they screw Aikman this year, and none of you should be surprised either.

you may be right, but if a QB with 3 Super Bowl rings doesn't make it into the HOF, on the 1st ballot, then really something's wrong with the voting process

 

[blindzebra]

I totally disagree with this.

Irvin IMO belongs in before any of those guys that you mentioned.

Irvin deserves in, but Wright, Harris, Hayes and Jones...you could add Pearson, Martin, Jordan and Howley to that list as well...should have been in a decades ago.

So yes, IMO, Irvin can wait another year or two if his non-enshrinement means players that should have been in 20 years ago get in.