How can Dak not be the league MVP?

[Romotil45]

That sight you listed is for passer rating, which is different.

QBR is ESPN's proprietary analytic.

It should be pointed out that 7 of the last 8 QB's to win MVP were either 1st or 2nd in Expected Points Added. Ryan is 1st. Dak is 2nd.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr

Your correct I was looking at passer rating but ESPN had it listed as QRRating.

 

[JJHLH1]

Your correct I was looking at passer rating but ESPN had it listed as QRRating.

No problem. They are all relatively close, as you might expect.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

They only care about TD passes, interceptions and yards, Jethro. He's not going to get a single vote.

Haha you really just being silly or a troll Bartholomew

 

[ryanbabs]

the chirping I always hear, which I find to be extremely irritating, is that Dak and Zeke's success is due to our great offensive line

Well, then last year makes no sense...

 

[AdamJT13]

Wasn't this prior to the QB Renaissance?

It was in 2003, after Kurt Warner's big MVP seasons.

 

[AdamJT13]

I'm pretty sure Blake Bortles stats look roughly like Joe Namath's, let's give it to him.

Joe Namath was never MVP, and Bortles is 2-12 this season.

Not to mention that there's a big difference between 2003 and 1968.

 

[Romotil45]

So you are saying W's and putting your team in position to win by not making mistakes is not as important as passing plays of 20+ yards? I noticed you place more emphasis on the latter

I would say Zeke is more critical to our success but that's just my opinion. Steve McNair looks to be about the only player with Dak like stats in the last 30 years or so to win league MVP so it's possible but he wouldn't get my vote.

 

[percyhoward]

Not to mention that there's a big difference between 2003 and 1968.

It's about like the difference between 2003 and 2016, isn't it?

year / passer rating / passing yards per game
2016 / 87.8 / 241.8
2003 / 76.6 / 200.4
1968 / 65.6 / 168.5

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Joe Namath was never MVP, and Bortles is 2-12 this season.

Not to mention that there's a big difference between 2003 and 1968.

There's a big difference between 2003 and 2016, Einstein Jr. And yes, Joe Namath was a 2 time MVP.

 

[AdamJT13]

There's a big difference between 2003 and 2016, Einstein Jr.

Not nearly as big as the difference between 1968 and 2016.

And yes, Joe Namath was a 2 time MVP.

He was never the NFL MVP, just the AFL MVP. And he certainly was never MVP when he had a losing record.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Not nearly as big as the difference between 1968 and 2016.




He was never the NFL MVP, just the AFL MVP. And he certainly was never MVP when he had a losing record.

What exactly does it have to do with anything whether it was NFL or AFL? And no, no one thinks you knew that he was an MVP of any kind, you just looked it up. You're reaching so hard to miss the point, you're starting to look more foolish than the people who think Dak will get a single MVP vote. Drop it.

 

[AdamJT13]

It's about like the difference between 2003 and 2016, isn't it?

year / passer rating / passing yards per game
2016 / 87.8 / 241.8
2003 / 76.6 / 200.4
1968 / 65.6 / 168.5

I was referring to the difference between comparing 2003 to 2016 (McNair to Prescott) and comparing 1968 to 2013 (Bortles to Namath). And actually, the difference is even greater than those numbers, because the AFL averages in 1968 were 59.5 and 177.9.

 

[AdamJT13]

What exactly does it have to do with anything whether it was NFL or AFL?

The AFL was a 10-team league.

 

[DandyDon52]

so if we had got weedon or matt cassel back, with EE we would still be 12-2 ??

 

[DandyDon52]

mvp is a silly award anyway, and I think Dak is more into what they can win as a team, that is the mentality he has helped
to create here, and it shows on the field.
They win or lose as a "Team"
They are going for nfc champs and a SB as a Team .

 

[ConstantReboot]

Because Zeke is..

That's why everybody screams for them to give it to Zeke and get out the way when the other team starts threatening. Then Linehan suddenly is an idiot for not feeding Zeke the ball.

And actually when teams start threatening, Linehan goes right back to Zeke. He did it last night as well when Tampa tied..

Plus, Dallas has effectively become a play action passing team because, again Zeke..

I can't understand why we take Zeke out when we have 3rd and short or were in the redzone.

Dunbar offers no value in the redzone.

 

[ljs44]

Total yards and passing touchdowns is about as deep as you need to look for MVP voting. Nobody voting is doing a deep dive. I'd love to see Dak win it but it won't happen. Not unless those 2 stats are better than Carr's. Nobody cares about interception percentage or TD percentage. Nobody even understands those stats or how they are calculated. I like your effort though.

Wait...what?

 

[Thomas82]

He is the stronger candidate of the two, imo.

Which player on the Cowboy team would cause more harm if they went down?
Don't want to turn this into a QB thread, but some would argue Dallas would actually get better if Dak went down. lol I know...duck.
Anyway, nobody is even thinking of making that argument with Zeke.

I think Zeke will win it too. I say that because, no disrespect to Dak, but if you put any number of quarterbacks behind center with Zeke, the Cowboys are probably around 10, 11, 12 wins. But if you take away Zeke, I don't know if there are many other backs who could give you the same production in the running, receiving and blocking areas (he saved Dak from being crushed last night). Maybe David Johnson.

Also, the MVP is about wins and numbers. Dak's numbers are at the top in terms of passing yardage and touchdowns whereas Zeke is at the top in rushing yardage.

 

[Eddie]

I have no problem with Dak NOT getting MVP. We need him humble and hard working.

Look what happened to Cam the Dance Man? He won MVP, got all cocky, made stupid comments prior to the Super Bowl, got destroyed, and is having a sub-par year with his team just about out of the playoffs.

Dak doesn't need that right now. He needs to continue to work hard.

 

[Beast_from_East]

It's been talked about many times here in the last few weeks but there are certain unwritten rules for the MVP and he just doesn't qualify. The award is kind of weirdly rigged in that way.

And one of the unwritten rules is that a rookie does not get the MVP award, it is a slap to the face of the vets in the league.

Not saying I agree with this, just saying that I cannot think of a single rookie that has ever won the MVP award, at least not that I have ever heard of.

Its going to be Brady.