How can you not be passionate for Dak?

LocimusPrime

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Hey Roy. How about a mutual block.
Then I can pull for Dak and Romo and not listen to saying I'm not.
And you can avoid reading the imaginary stuff that you think I've ever said about Dak.
Agree?
Mutual blocks?
You're being fair bro. They just drawing you in
 

ChronicCowboy

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Dude if you are passionate for any celebrity, be it athlete or not, then you have f’ed up priorities.

Even being passionate for a brand seems wrong these days.
 

Big D

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Dak couldn't hit 10 foot props in the Pro Bowl and you mean to tell me he can hit a receiver in the helmet ? Pfft...

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And you correct punctuation on a chat room. LOL The only people that do that is guys that got nothing.

Quite frankly, your not worth the time. This isn't a thesis. I'm responding to a Romo cry baby on a chat room. YOu don't like it, put me on ignore. Cuz let me tell you. YOUR never going to hear the end of it from me once the season starts.
Hopefully, Dak has a great season, because if he doesn't, my guess is we won't be hearing much from you. Unless of course, you want to blame Garrett for it.
 

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Hopefully, Dak has a great season, because if he doesn't, my guess is we won't be hearing much from you. Unless of course, you want to blame Garrett for it.
Trust that he will have a progressive "growth" season and you won't have any opportunities to truly push any negative agendas against him as a result. You're going to have to find another whipping boy.
 

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Meh.

Passion can't overcome a lack of skills. He needs to improve upon his footwork and accuracy, and make quicker reads.

Everything this franchise does is on a "prove it" basis to me from now on.
 

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There's a lot to like about Dak, from his personal story to his early success on the football field.
Think there are some that will always hate the starter for whatever new reason they can come up with.
Some have seen QB's as far back as Staubach/Dandy Don and just have a high level of expectations in terms of winning.

I was won over in his rookie season during that winning streak. Last season during the second half made me cautious but still optimistic about him. We'll see how he plays in year #3.
 

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And if our franchise QB does not tear it up, what will you do then?

It all depends why. My standards are tip top. So if Dak really starts to look bad and isnt showing improvement then I will turn on him real fast. Now even if the line were to falter and Zeke go down I would expect him to handle things better than he did this time around.

But AGAIN...........Im not one of these unrealistic people that thinks a Tom Brady type needs to be our QB. I would love that, but its not going to happen. Fans used to complain about Romo because he wasnt Brady. Its a waste of time in my opinion. Romo was plenty good enough to win a SB. More than good enough.

But this is ONE of the big reasons I wanted to move onto DAK so quickly. The REST of this team was NOT ready to win a championship. Even with Romo we werent winning it. So Dak needs to get experience. Because we saw quite clearly last year, DAk isnt ready either. ITs all about timing. If the Cowboys keep having good offseasons and good drafts the team could be ready overall by possibly next season to be a legitimate contender. Dak will be in his 4th year by then. Now you are talking about a nice 4 or 5 year run as a contender.
 

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Why dont you read my 100 posts on the matter and stop accusing me falsely or trying to make me explain anything for no reason.
Its not my job to pamper you

And I have no idea what this “into hiding” stuff is. I mean, what the hell are you talking about? I haven't gone anywhere, and why would I?

LOL.....I have no interest in reading your 100 posts. Lets just use the ignore feature.
 

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Hopefully, Dak has a great season, because if he doesn't, my guess is we won't be hearing much from you. Unless of course, you want to blame Garrett for it.

Unlike you cry babies. I stick around. And Dak will be bashed by me if and when he deserves it. Just like it was time for Romo to go after I defended him for 12 years.
 

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Trust that he will have a progressive "growth" season and you won't have any opportunities to truly push any negative agendas against him as a result. You're going to have to find another whipping boy.
I'm pulling for him. My dog can't take many more kicks.
 

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Jared Goff has demonstrated good touch control with his passes. That seems contradictory to Austin's recollection of quarterbacks he has had in the past.
That was one of the positives about Goff coming out was that he wasn't just a gunner. They got rid of him, is he going to be happy? I wouldn't put much in what any newly added player has to say about anything. It's all spin in a new situation and making friends. What's he going to say? "I don't get it, this guy was a 4th rounder, I just left a team where the guy was a 1st rounder. Hell, they wanted Lynch and Cook, who both suck, before they wanted this guy". Think Dak's going to be looking for him in his reads?

If Kellen Moore was our starter, Austin would have said "for such a goofy looking guy, he throws a nice ball" and "what's with the head coach clapping and cussing all the time"?
 

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While Dak looked good in the first 8 games, he was not as flawless as his rookie season. The second 8 games Dak was playing on a below average offense. The o-line was playing average football with depth and performance issues, the YPC stats for the backs were empty as they had trouble running in crucial situations as well as first down and never provided half the threat and game-planning Zeke does, and the receiving core was amongst one of the least dynamic in the league.

Consider this, for all eligible pass catchers in 2017 (tight ends & receivers), Dak's targets where 24th in separation (Mr. Body Catch Terrance Williams), 89th (Jason Witten), 96th (league leader in drops Dez Bryant), and 98th Cole Beasley. His slight issues in the first half and then huge issues in the second half are a direct correlation to having Zeke to mask the receiver issues vs. not having Zeke and the issues being exposed. The team was simply 1 year behind on their overhaul of the wide receiver position, even though it was virtually impossible to see it coming. If the team had the same pass catchers in 2018 as 2017, we would all be very disappointed in the passing game.


You might ask, but why does he need protection, a running game, and good receivers in order to play well? Well unless you have an elite defense (which the team might be on the cusp of doing), elite coaching, or Brady, Brees, Wilson, or Rodgers playing QB; you're gonna need to give your quarterback help. Only the elite top 4 or 5 qb's in the league can take a team with holes to post season success. The other guys like Matt Ryan, Derek Carr, Kirk Cousins, Cam Newton, and etc. need help.


What was Matt Ryan's career before Julio Jones, Mike Shanahan and Devonte Freeman? Cam Newton's MVP year his team led the league in rushing and was top 5 in total defense. Kirk Cousins can pass for all the 4,000 yard seasons to all the DJax's and Garcons of the world if he wants to, without a running game he couldn;t win anything of significance. In 2016, Carr had a top 5 rushing team, a top 3 o-line as well as Pro-bowl caliber receivers and looked like an MVP; make those things slightly worse last season and you see a natural regression.


Every team with a non-elite QB needs and has a system designed for their strengths. Romo had one and unfortunately the coaches weren't logical enough to think that Romo's offense wasn't the best fit for Dak. They used a simpler version of the offense in 2016, and when they wanted to put more on his plate for 2017 they did so in Tony's offense. The passing game was meant to flow through Dez and open the game up for the others but with Dez not being the same guy from 2014 along with his lack of chemistry with Dak; that plan was doomed form the get-go. Again, this is on the coaching staff as they should have implemented an offense suited to his strengths and not Romo's.

*******Sidenote: I know this isn't a Romo thread but this must be addressed. We killed Romo when he played and love him now. He's a hall of famer in the fans eyes and was an elite qb to many. I love Tony, but this isn't true. Tony never took the team to a conference championship. Elite qb's can take teams with holes and make them exponentially better. Yes the FO never gave him a superbowl team, but there have been elite qb's to do it without the star studded roster. There are 2 ways to win a superbowl; option A) Elite qb play with opportunistic defenses (2010 Saints, A-Rods Packers), option B) elite defense and/or running game and smart risk averse qb play (2014 seahawks in Wilson's second year, Mannings broncos vs. Panthers). The Cowboys mistakenly thought with Romo they could win with option A, when they really should have planned for option B. Dak will always be a 14-16 league qb based solely off arm talent. But with the right team-building philosophy can play like a 8-10 with his leadership, movement skills, and lack of turnovers when given proper protection and receiving targets. That's all the team needs from him! 4,000 yard passing seasons and deep bombs are icing on the cake, not the actual needs of the team just entertainment.

The bottom line is Dak is a good qb with average arm talent who uses intangibles, toughness, leadership, dual threat athleticism, and great short to intermediate accuracy to play winning football. That's who he's been his whole career from college to the pros. *** You better believe his short/intermediate accuracy and risk aversion are real. They have been strengths of his during his whole career, 6 games with circumstances unlikely to occur again do not define him in those terms! With an offseason in his own system and fixing of all the major offensive issues there is no reason to believe he wont play like a 8-10 range guy. O line is here to stay, Zeke should play more than 10 games, and the wide receiver room is filled with guys who are good route runners and can get open. Dak SHOULD have the tools to succeed. He does need to improve, but he is a more than capable franchise guy.

When your team puts up 50 points and you can still lose the game, it's not remotely on the QB. If you guys don't think Romo was top 5 elite then you are entitled to your opinion, but I am also entitled to think that if you don't see Romo as a top 5 QB then you have no idea what you are talking about.
 

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That was one of the positives about Goff coming out was that he wasn't just a gunner. They got rid of him, is he going to be happy? I wouldn't put much in what any newly added player has to say about anything. It's all spin in a new situation and making friends. What's he going to say? "I don't get it, this guy was a 4th rounder, I just left a team where the guy was a 1st rounder. Hell, they wanted Lynch and Cook, who both suck, before they wanted this guy". Think Dak's going to be looking for him in his reads?

If Kellen Moore was our starter, Austin would have said "for such a goofy looking guy, he throws a nice ball" and "what's with the head coach clapping and cussing all the time"?
What could Austin have said? He could have said everything in the two tweets posted by @Bleu Star except "...and that's a lot different from the past quarterbacks who I've played with." In my opinion, it is a given Austin knows without doubt how a quarterback throws with touch. Goff throws with touch. Methinks Austin added the extra tidbit at the end not so much as a compliment for Prescott to eventually read than as a dig intended for Goff and the Rams to find out about later.
 
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