how come 7 cannot cover 3

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smarta5150;1825667 said:
I don't blame you though... there are some grammar ***** around here lurking.

I will never comment on spelling or grammar unless I am just poking fun, I screw up entirely way too much myself.

I feel you, that's why i jumped on you so quick:eek:: . I don't like it when people comment on someone else's blurb on discussion boards. Almost everytime, you can figure out what someone is trying to say even if thier sentences are grammatically incorrect or they mispell some words. Discussion boards are the last places where people should be too concerned about stuff like that.
 

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...to accept is that the (7) are not covering a person specifically but rather areas of the field.

They only have "engaged" coverage of a receiver when that receiver enters in to the section of the field that they are occupying.

This is opposed to "man" coverage where the defensive player basically follows the player around where ever they go.

Zone coverage forces the receiver to find the open areas of the field and the QB to drop the ball into what are supposed to be tight spots.

Man coverage forces a receiver to run routes that gain separation from the defender allowing the QB to thread the ball into his open hands.

In one scheme you beat the layout of the strategic placement of players, in the other you literally beat the defender who is running beside you.
 
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Please go away with the same dumb thread... Dallas secondary, particularly it's starting CBs have been banged up majority of year so I wouldn't go overboard.
 

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We had the perfect secondary game plan, we had one problem, we forgot to bring the pressure on the QB.
 

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bbailey423;1825558 said:
I need someone that breaks down film on a regular basis explain to me how 7 guys cannot cover 3? This is not a complaint...I am very curious as to what happens. I actually find it fascinating and wonder out loud how many other teams have this issue. And what the teams that don't have this issue do differently

yeah, its bizarre, and its happened quite a bit lately

no excuse for it either

David
 

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bbailey423;1825558 said:
I need someone that breaks down film on a regular basis explain to me how 7 guys cannot cover 3? This is not a complaint...I am very curious as to what happens. I actually find it fascinating and wonder out loud how many other teams have this issue. And what the teams that don't have this issue do differently
zone coverage? I think inside the NFL went over issues w/ this by ??can't recall what team? vs the Dallas receivers. A problem is when defenders let players by and other defenders don't close in, or let players by them; either ignore or forget assignments.

I think also giving guys big cushions to settle into a zone allows for those quick dinks and dunks that some how end up getting a team down the field sometimes
 

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davidyee;1825824 said:
...to accept is that the (7) are not covering a person specifically but rather areas of the field.

They only have "engaged" coverage of a receiver when that receiver enters in to the section of the field that they are occupying.

This is opposed to "man" coverage where the defensive player basically follows the player around where ever they go.

Zone coverage forces the receiver to find the open areas of the field and the QB to drop the ball into what are supposed to be tight spots.

Man coverage forces a receiver to run routes that gain separation from the defender allowing the QB to thread the ball into his open hands.

In one scheme you beat the layout of the strategic placement of players, in the other you literally beat the defender who is running beside you.
thank you..this makes sense....I guess we should just switch it up every now and then....if all we ever show a QB is zone...he can get into a rhythm and pick it apart all day long
 

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bbailey423;1825558 said:
I need someone that breaks down film on a regular basis explain to me how 7 guys cannot cover 3? This is not a complaint...I am very curious as to what happens. I actually find it fascinating and wonder out loud how many other teams have this issue. And what the teams that don't have this issue do differently



SOFT zone and not wanting to get beat deep. Teams are just taking what Dallas gives them. I hate that they give them soo much on 3rd down though.
 

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and I'm still stunned that we didnt get a single sack on Kitna until the last play of the game...unbelievable...

David
 

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bbailey423;1826227 said:
thank you..this makes sense....I guess we should just switch it up every now and then....if all we ever show a QB is zone...he can get into a rhythm and pick it apart all day long
Some truth to this. However, you need to realize that man to man coverage has limitations too and it is easier to jump routes in a Zone coverage.

The best solution to any coverage problem has always been get to the QB and fast. Make him throw sooner than he wants.
 

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Hostile;1826464 said:
Some truth to this. However, you need to realize that man to man coverage has limitations too and it is easier to jump routes in a Zone coverage.

The best solution to any coverage problem has always been get to the QB and fast. Make him throw sooner than he wants.

I agree and I think it is important to give QB's different looks. When facing top QB's in this league it is even more important to run different coverage and give them different looks to try and keep them off balance.
 

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Hostile;1826464 said:
Some truth to this. However, you need to realize that man to man coverage has limitations too and it is easier to jump routes in a Zone coverage.

Which is why Wade tends to have his CBs play off the receivers. The pass rush is suppose to allow the CBs to be aggressive and break to the ball.

The way I see teams trying to counter is simply going max-protect to give the QB time. So while we are preventing the deep pass, and big plays, we are giving up the plays underneath. In situations like this, we seem to be a pretty patient defense, counting on the QB to make a mistake and our offense to simply outscore our opponent in bunches, then forcing the opponent to try and force the issue.

I can't remember, but when Favre was in the game, were they going max-protect? I don't think they did, and it is clear why teams are bringing extra blockers back against Dallas.
 
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There have also been several rules over the past decade that give the offense every opportunity to make plays & score. The 5 yard bump rule, and allowing Offensive linemen to practically undress Defensive linemen before a hold is called are two changes that come to mind. One forces defensive backs to let go of receivers a lot sooner, freeing them up to roam the field. The other gives the QB 1 to 1.5 seconds longer to make his progressions & decide who to throw to.

The two ways to protect against this is to bring in defensive linemen who have the ability to free themselves from their blocker sooner, and have the speed & quickness to get to the QB faster. The other way is to bring in quicker, faster, & smarter defensive backs who can anticipate receivers' moves, and react faster to break up the pass. Also, having a defensive coordinator who can weekly scheme against the offense you are facing based on film he has watched. This way, you can also anticipate what the offense is going to attempt to do.
 
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