How did we lose to SFO?

[jterrell]

I am simply looking at things differently than you is all. Sure I would swap them out, but tell you this much.....I wouldn't be feeling ann tingly inside knowing Herbert just signed a massive contract, based upon the body of evidence of his play so far in his career. This coming from a fan of Football who was jealous we didn't have a chance to draft him when SD did

100%.
In both cases the question gets hard.
Herbert is not a great touch guy, off schedule throw guy nor is he very mobile.
He has real limitations to go with elite size and a beautiful arm.
QBs over 6'4" have tended to struggle with having a quick enough release.
Brady worked tirelessly on that, developing into a fast break QB.
Herbert needs to do the same IMO.

Allen makes 10% more than Dak Prescott at 44M per year.
His cap hits the next 4 years are 47, 56, 52, 45.
Josh is what people thought Dak was based on this past year.
He produces yards and points but also turnovers at very high rates. Between fumbles and INT no one really comes close to Allen.
The Buff WR corps has had near mutinies' a few times because Josh will take off and run when they are wide open.

Dak is very imperfect but so are most other guys.

I'd probably rather have Purdy and the cap cash over either Herbert or Allen the next couple seasons.

 

[Redsfan_83]

100%.
In both cases the question gets hard.
Herbert is not a great touch guy, off schedule throw guy nor is he very mobile.
He has real limitations to go with elite size and a beautiful arm.
QBs over 6'4" have tended to struggle with having a quick enough release.
Brady worked tirelessly on that, developing into a fast break QB.
Herbert needs to do the same IMO.

Allen makes 10% more than Dak Prescott at 44M per year.
His cap hits the next 4 years are 47, 56, 52, 45.
Josh is what people thought Dak was based on this past year.
He produces yards and points but also turnovers at very high rates. Between fumbles and INT no one really comes close to Allen.
The Buff WR corps has had near mutinies' a few times because Josh will take off and run when they are wide open.

Dak is very imperfect but so are most other guys.

I'd probably rather have Purdy and the cap cash over either Herbert or Allen the next couple seasons.

take this a step further, would you rather have Rush than Dak given the offense that Daks has been asked to run? Never thought I would feel this way, but this new scheme doesn't work for Dak and I think it's a mistake asking him to be something he is not. We have added tools for Dak, yet MM has clawed back and put the reigns on his downfield play. For Dak to succeed he needs a RB who can wear out the opps D, thus, opening up the passing game for him to throw in his comfort zone which is basically having an hour and a half to throw the forward pass. aka, why I am beggning to grab DH

 

[jterrell]

Believe it or not we just had a bad game, I honestly think we play the 49ers wrong.
You don't try to run at a team with a good front but a leaky secondary. I think fully healthy you spread them out and make them cover and mix a little run.

I just think the 49ers are in our head. The Eagles last year had better corners and pass rush than the 49ers and we attacked them and marched up and down the field.

2021 we had the right strategy (Pass on them) but our pass blocking and run defense failed us. In 2022 Dak lost us that game clearly.
I told some people that I bet the 49ers don't beat another team as bad as they beat us, and I feel like i'll be right.

A lot of truth there but missing the schematic advantages the 49ers have over us.
It is just a bad match up and has been for 3 years, thus the Vegas lines and the results.

Divisional opponents will always be different because you plan for them year-round and in team building.

 

[CCBoy]

They are without Samuel and have a limited CMC.
That is a large part of what makes their offense work.

They look now much like they did before they traded for CMC, ordinary.

They expended a lot beating Dallas head in.
At the same time, I was marveling at how bad we suck I was wondering why in the world Shanny kept giving CMC the ball when he had taken nasty shots from Dono.

SF is still a really good team, but you take out the early POY fave and they will have to win ugly games.
I hope they give CMC the ball 30 times a game every week til the playoffs TBH.
Shanny burning him up is Dallas' best hope at beating them.

I'm hoping this isn't a top end indicator for the Dallas defensive unit.

 

[jterrell]

take this a step further, would you rather have Rush than Dak given the offense that Daks has been asked to run? Never thought I would feel this way, but this new scheme doesn't work for Dak and I think it's a mistake asking him to be something he is not. We have added tools for Dak, yet MM has clawed back and put the reigns on his downfield play. For Dak to succeed he needs a RB who can wear out the opps D, thus, opening up the passing game for him to throw in his comfort zone which is basically having an hour and a half to throw the forward pass. aka, why I am beggning to grab DH

Absolutely not.
This offense is graded out awfully at WR, TE and RB. Not bad but awful. OL is mid.
People blame Dak for an offense he is largely having to carry right now.
Put another way CeeDee and Dak are both rated 11th by PFF at their positions.
No one dreams of knocking CeeDee.

But question gets tougher if it is, would you rather this offense and Dak or Rush and last year's offense.
I'd lean last year's and Rush I think.

Dallas has to tweak this offense to fit the personnel. I sure hope they did so over the Bye week.

 

[CCBoy]

A lot of truth there but missing the schematic advantages the 49ers have over us.
It is just a bad match up and has been for 3 years, thus the Vegas lines and the results.

Divisional opponents will always be different because you plan for them year-round and in team building.

Momentum effectors for games.

 

[NumOneQB]

Their running game has been absent the last 2 weeks. Purdy had to win it for them and couldn’t. Maybe the rest of the NFL learns something from the Brown/Vikings tapes?

 

[jterrell]

I'm hoping this isn't a top end indicator for the Dallas defensive unit.

With Diggs out it pretty much is.
We are a super speedy, aggressive defense but open to cutbacks and misdirection.
The 49er movement gets them free releases for short easy passes.
They are WCO but actually evolved and good at it.

We are developing young LBs and rely on pass rushers along the DL who outside of DLaw over pursue.
Our defense can definitely improve in these areas but it'll take scheme adjustments to match up better IMO.

 

[Redsfan_83]

Absolutely not.
This offense is graded out awfully at WR, TE and RB. Not bad but awful. OL is mid.
People blame Dak for an offense he is largely having to carry right now.
Put another way CeeDee and Dak are both rated 11th by PFF at their positions.
No one dreams of knocking CeeDee.

But question gets tougher if it is, would you rather this offense and Dak or Rush and last year's offense.
I'd lean last year's and Rush I think.

Dallas has to tweak this offense to fit the personnel. I sure hope they did so over the Bye week.

you don't actually believe they have tweaked anything do you? They will have 2 weeks to make the necessary changes/additional to this personnel to fix things, and instead of doing so they have watched the Iggles do so. Oh, I forgot, yes we did tweak things. We added and subtracted from our PS

 

[CCBoy]

you don't actually believe they have tweaked anything do you? They will have 2 weeks to make the necessary changes/additional to this personnel to fix things, and instead of doing so they have watched the Iggles do so. Oh, I forgot, yes we did tweak things. We added and subtracted from our PS

Have any proof of what you talk down about...beyond a single game before now. Quickly, throw in the Cardinals. I know, insurance salesmen are trying to get to the Cowboys players...

 

[Redsfan_83]

Have any proof of what you talk down about...beyond a single game before now. Quickly, throw in the Cardinals. I know, insurance salesmen are trying to get to the Cowboys players...

How on earth do you want me to prove they haven't done anything, lol. It is called the last 28 years of life as a Cowboys fan that myself and others work from. As always, proof will be in the pudding when we see if anything has changed and if our coaching staff learned anything

 

[Seattle49er]

Any team can have bad games, i.e. Dallas at AZ and SF. No excuses, simply didn't execute.

9ers actually started out worse last season, lost 2 in a row then didn't lose again til NFCCG

Dallas lost to SF because your QB is Dak Prescott and Jerry Jones still micromanages the team.

 

[Hadenough]

Yeah, but now Purdy has looked dreadful these last two games.

This could mean Purdy has been figured out. Dallas did a pretty good job on Purdy in the playoffs last year too. But it's Dak that's the weakness!

 

[Vanilla2]

They did a better job circling the date

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

This could mean Purdy has been figured out. Dallas did a pretty good job on Purdy in the playoffs last year too. But it's Dak that's the weakness!

I'm curious if it's something deeper than just that. I think this time, it was clear that the running game wasn't nearly enough. You have to play physically against SFO. The team didn't do that a few weeks ago. I'm not saying that Dak should get a new contract. But I do think he's better than people think. I don't think that loss was on him. I saw sloppy play. I saw missed tackles. Our running game was abysmal.

 

[Hadenough]

I'm curious if it's something deeper than just that. I think this time, it was clear that the running game wasn't nearly enough. You have to play physically against SFO. The team didn't do that a few weeks ago. I'm not saying that Dak should get a new contract. But I do think he's better than people think. I don't think that loss was on him. I saw sloppy play. I saw missed tackles. Our running game was abysmal.

There are a couple of things going on. Im just not a fan of training camp being out of state. Make these guys practice in the elements. Heat, rain, cold. Plus these guys need to go uptempo and get better cardio. This defense gets worn down by a running game too easy. The coaches game planning and execution was awful. In game adjustments Dak is just never shows up against top level teams.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

There are a couple of things going on. Im just not a fan of training camp being out of state. Make these guys practice in the elements. Heat, rain, cold. Plus these guys need to go uptempo and get better cardio. This defense gets worn down by a running game too easy. The coaches game planning and execution was awful. In game adjustments Dak is just never shows up against top level teams.

I'm not so worried about TC being out of state. That's the case for most teams. But, I also think Oxnard, California is a bit too mild. Perhaps, they can train in Colorado, Nevada, Palm Springs, or Arizona. I think Colorado is wise because, if they can handle that altitude, then they should be able to handle most climates. The others, including Palm Springs, are in desert climates, so that helps with the heat. Maybe Salt Lake City for altitude and arid climate.