How do you feel about HGH/PEDs?

[sureletsrace]

What is your stance on it?

I personally don't care. If they want to jack up their bodies to be more competitive, then let them. Just makes the game more entertaining for me.

I'm sure that a large percentage of them use this stuff anyways.

 

[ZappaFrank]

I feel the same way. If they want to ruin themselves or take massive risks with their health to entertain me, then who am I to say no?

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

I don't like them. It provides an unfair advantage. Athletes should not be forced to ruin their health to stay in the league.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I'm against them. I've had some friends that were professional bodybuilders, pro wrestlers and other pro athletes that have used them.

I've read a lot on them...probably more than somebody that has never taken them should be reading on them.

In a sense, I feel it's a bit like smoking cigarettes in that it will shorten your life cycle in general. One is not going to kill you. But, there will always be that person...like the people that smoke...that lives until they are 95 years old using the thing. They are the exception, not the rule.

The common theme I have heard from these friends of mine that used them is that they were worried more about the 'now' and didn't care if it takes 10 years off their life and they only live to 70 years old because in their words what am I going to do when I'm 70 years old?

But what happens is that their body breaks down much more quickly and you still need to move around well in your 40's and 50's and so many of them have regretted taking them now that they are older and broken down.

From what I've been told, the human body can essentially hand all of the muscle that one grows naturally. But once you start growing muscle unnaturally, the joints, bones and ligaments can't hold it.

My feeling on the government is that its duty is to protect the citizens. And sometimes you have to protect citizens from themselves. So when I see athletes, entertainers, etc. using PED's I have a disdain for it because it starts to encourage children to use these drugs.

This is what happened in the steroid era of baseball. Many kids wanted to get the advantage that the pros were getting and now you were getting kids on the PED's. And I would think it would be very difficult to tell for a parent if a kid is using PED's because the symptoms (muscle growth, anger issues, acne, etc) are similar to what happens when you go thru puberty.

So first and foremost, I'm against it for public health concerns.

As far as sport goes, I'm against it because it starts to eliminate who is the best skilled and most athletic and starts to replace that with who has the best doctors and best medication.






YR

 

[jday]

What is your stance on it?

I personally don't care. If they want to jack up their bodies to be more competitive, then let them. Just makes the game more entertaining for me.

I'm sure that a large percentage of them use this stuff anyways.

I feel stronger

 

[AsthmaField]

I mean, they're ok. I always cut the grass much quicker when I'm juicing.

The wife says I get grumpy though.

 

[AsthmaField]

I feel stronger

And you barely beat me. Touche'

 

[conner01]

if you allow any team to use them then all teams would be forced to use them to be able to compete. it's silly to say that it's their bodies. you don't let people ruined themselves to be in the nfl and then the very same players would sue the nfl after they find out what it did to them. there is no place for peds in pro sports.

 

[sureletsrace]

I'm against them. I've had some friends that were professional bodybuilders, pro wrestlers and other pro athletes that have used them.

I've read a lot on them...probably more than somebody that has never taken them should be reading on them.

In a sense, I feel it's a bit like smoking cigarettes in that it will shorten your life cycle in general. One is not going to kill you. But, there will always be that person...like the people that smoke...that lives until they are 95 years old using the thing. They are the exception, not the rule.

The common theme I have heard from these friends of mine that used them is that they were worried more about the 'now' and didn't care if it takes 10 years off their life and they only live to 70 years old because in their words what am I going to do when I'm 70 years old?

But what happens is that their body breaks down much more quickly and you still need to move around well in your 40's and 50's and so many of them have regretted taking them now that they are older and broken down.

From what I've been told, the human body can essentially hand all of the muscle that one grows naturally. But once you start growing muscle unnaturally, the joints, bones and ligaments can't hold it.

My feeling on the government is that its duty is to protect the citizens. And sometimes you have to protect citizens from themselves. So when I see athletes, entertainers, etc. using PED's I have a disdain for it because it starts to encourage children to use these drugs.

This is what happened in the steroid era of baseball. Many kids wanted to get the advantage that the pros were getting and now you were getting kids on the PED's. And I would think it would be very difficult to tell for a parent if a kid is using PED's because the symptoms (muscle growth, anger issues, acne, etc) are similar to what happens when you go thru puberty.

So first and foremost, I'm against it for public health concerns.

As far as sport goes, I'm against it because it starts to eliminate who is the best skilled and most athletic and starts to replace that with who has the best doctors and best medication.






YR

Interesting viewpoint. I've never considered that aspect, though I suppose I'd argue that parents should be involved enough in their children's lives to educate them about the dangers and be understanding enough with their kids that the child would feel comfortable talking to their parent about using them.

 

[jobberone]

I used to like him but not so much anymore. I like something I can dance to.

 

[conner01]

Interesting viewpoint. I've never considered that aspect, though I suppose I'd argue that parents should be involved enough in their children's lives to educate them about the dangers and be understanding enough with their kids that the child would feel comfortable talking to their parent about using them.

if a kid thinks it's going to give them an advatage they will use them. it does'nt matter what the parents do. kids drink even when their parents tell them of the dangers and ask them not to. kids don't always do what their parents want them to do, and they never have

 

[CyberB0b]

I don't like them. It provides an unfair advantage. Athletes should not be forced to ruin their health to stay in the league.

It's an unfair advantage that certain guys are faster, or smarter, or bigger. There is a lot of inequality in the league. I don't mind it.

 

[Doomsday101]

What is your stance on it?

I personally don't care. If they want to jack up their bodies to be more competitive, then let them. Just makes the game more entertaining for me.

I'm sure that a large percentage of them use this stuff anyways.

I'm against it for the simple reason it forces the hands of young guys to use them so that they can compete against those who do use them. I don’t want some kid feeling that they only way he has a chance to earn a position is by having to use HGH. As far as I’m concerned if you can’t cut it with your own god given talent then you don’t belong.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Interesting viewpoint. I've never considered that aspect, though I suppose I'd argue that parents should be involved enough in their children's lives to educate them about the dangers and be understanding enough with their kids that the child would feel comfortable talking to their parent about using them.

I think many parents of kids that use PED's have taught them about the dangers. You have to remember when we were at that age we thought our parents didn't know what they were talking about and were too cautious while we thought we were invincible. And if the pros are using it, why can't we?

Kids don't listen a lot of the time.

That's why the say youth is wasted on the young.




YR

 

[AsthmaField]

In a sense, I feel it's a bit like smoking cigarettes in that it will shorten your life cycle in general. One is not going to kill you. But, there will always be that person...like the people that smoke...that lives until they are 95 years old using the thing. They are the exception, not the rule.

The common theme I have heard from these friends of mine that used them is that they were worried more about the 'now' and didn't care if it takes 10 years off their life and they only live to 70 years old because in their words what am I going to do when I'm 70 years old?

But what happens is that their body breaks down much more quickly and you still need to move around well in your 40's and 50's and so many of them have regretted taking them now that they are older and broken down.

From what I've been told, the human body can essentially hand all of the muscle that one grows naturally. But once you start growing muscle unnaturally, the joints, bones and ligaments can't hold it.

I took anabolic steroids for 2-3 years in college (in 6 to 8 week cycles), and I have literally had zero problems from it. Well, not quite true... I did get tendonitis in my shoulders, which I'm pretty sure is because the ligaments and tendons had trouble with the amount of weight that I was able to push. (It did make me strong as an ox)

However, other than that, I still feel roughly the same way I did then physically, although I'm not as strong anymore. (49 years old here, but roughly weigh just a little less than I did back then) Maybe I'm like the 95 year old smoker and I'm the exception, but other than some tendonitis, I still feel great and the checkups at the doc (liver function, etc.) are all great.

Perhaps I didn't take as much as a pro athlete would (although I took a decent amount), and I did try to use the injectable so as to save the ol' liver, but zero problems here. I do remember one guy was taking so many pills (dianabol) that the whites of his eyes turned orange from Jaundice (liver). Wonder how he turned out?

Anyway, I don't really know anyone these days that took it when they were in their 20's... so all I really have to judge on is myself and how I feel, and I couldn't feel much better.

 

[ABQcowboyJR]

Has a weeding out effect in the end because football is such a physical sport. I think it might be less prevelant than many are making it out to be.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I took anabolic steroids for 2-3 years in college (in 6 to 8 week cycles), and I have literally had zero problems from it. Well, not quite true... I did get tendonitis in my shoulders, which I'm pretty sure is because the ligaments and tendons had trouble with the amount of weight that I was able to push. (It did make me strong as an ox)

However, other than that, I still feel roughly the same way I did then physically, although I'm not as strong anymore. (49 years old here, but roughly weigh just a little less than I did back then) Maybe I'm like the 95 year old smoker and I'm the exception, but other than some tendonitis, I still feel great and the checkups at the doc (liver function, etc.) are all great.

Perhaps I didn't take as much as a pro athlete would (although I took a decent amount), and I did try to use the injectable so as to save the ol' liver, but zero problems here. I do remember one guy was taking so many pills (dianabol) that the whites of his eyes turned orange from Jaundice (liver). Wonder how he turned out?

Anyway, I don't really know anyone these days that took it when they were in their 20's... so all I really have to judge on is myself and how I feel, and I couldn't feel much better.

The guys I'm talking about have used these drugs for over 10 years (most of them anyway).

I had one friend die at the age of 37 years old and he was a habitual user.

Another friend died at the age of 34 years old. He was using HGH when it first started to become popular. His wife later on took some college courses just to study HGH and its effects.

Apparently he quit HGH cold turkey because at that time HGH was super expensive and he couldn't afford it anymore. Anyway, his wife swears to this day that the college courses she took that she learned that if you take quite a bit of HGH like he did, the worst thing you can do is quit cold turkey because that will enlargen the heart.

So taking it for 2-3 years would be like smoking for 2-3 years and wondering why you don't have cancer or heart disease years later.





YR

 

[AsthmaField]

if a kid thinks it's going to give them an advatage they will use them. it does'nt matter what the parents do. kids drink even when their parents tell them of the dangers and ask them not to. kids don't always do what their parents want them to do, and they never have

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that a whole lot of college football players at least try them.

I have a 19 year old daughter who is dating a guy who got a scholarship to play at a junior college (OL 6-6, 310 lbs) and he has/does take them now. He said pretty much everyone at that *junior* college takes them. That is just at a junior college.

Now, he has been looked at by a couple SEC schools and they are telling him that they might want him to finish with them, so perhaps he has a future in the sport... but probably not. I think it is more widespread than most think.

 

[Ring6]

No thanks, I'm good.

 

[AsthmaField]

The guys I'm talking about have used these drugs for over 10 years (most of them anyway).

I had one friend die at the age of 37 years old and he was a habitual user.

Another friend died at the age of 34 years old. He was using HGH when it first started to become popular. His wife later on took some college courses just to study HGH and its effects.

Apparently he quit HGH cold turkey because at that time HGH was super expensive and he couldn't afford it anymore. Anyway, his wife swears to this day that the college courses she took that she learned that if you take quite a bit of HGH like he did, the worst thing you can do is quit cold turkey because that will enlargen the heart.

So taking it for 2-3 years would be like smoking for 2-3 years and wondering why you don't have cancer or heart disease years later.





YR

Yeah, definitely more in depth use than I did. I was figuring I took it about what most college football players might. But if you're talking about decades long use (and HGH which I never did) then my experience doesn't compare.