How do you feel about HGH/PEDs?

[AsthmaField]

The guys I'm talking about have used these drugs for over 10 years (most of them anyway).

I had one friend die at the age of 37 years old and he was a habitual user.

Another friend died at the age of 34 years old. He was using HGH when it first started to become popular. His wife later on took some college courses just to study HGH and its effects.

Apparently he quit HGH cold turkey because at that time HGH was super expensive and he couldn't afford it anymore. Anyway, his wife swears to this day that the college courses she took that she learned that if you take quite a bit of HGH like he did, the worst thing you can do is quit cold turkey because that will enlargen the heart.

So taking it for 2-3 years would be like smoking for 2-3 years and wondering why you don't have cancer or heart disease years later.





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Also, I know that Lyle Alzado took a lot of HGH on his return to the NFL back in the day. Just a few years after that he had brain cancer and died. I always kind of contributed that to his heavy HGH use in his early 30's.

 

[gmoney112]

No, AS should not be used in sports, period. Sure one cycle wont kill you, but its a slippery slope and some compounds can turn you into an emotional and aggressive disaster. Dont get me started on PCT, some guys will start crying during The Notebook during this period.

That being said, theyre everywhere. Every college, junior college is rampant with roids. Hell, if you have a kid whos in high school chances are hes exposed to them.

Im a little more lenient on HGH during rehabilitation for its collagen production properties but i dont know much about it. HGH isnt really going to get you huge.

 

[CT Dal Fan]

I wish players wouldn't use it, but as others have said, it's their choice.

Funny, the Cowboys teams of the 1990's won multiple Super Bowls despite the use of PDD's- performance DECREASING drugs.

 

[Doomsday101]

I wish players wouldn't use it, but as others have said, it's their choice.

Funny, the Cowboys teams of the 1990's won multiple Super Bowls despite the use of PDD's- performance DECREASING drugs.

True but is it fair to the guys who don't? Why should they not get a level playing field to compete.

 

[CT Dal Fan]

True but is it fair to the guys who don't? Why should they not get a level playing field to compete.

I agree with you. It's not fair. But the players using HGH, etc. are putting themselves at a severe health risk. And when they get caught, and many ultimately do, they get suspended and hurt their team more than help them. If they want to be that foolish, all power to them.

 

[coult44]

if you allow any team to use them then all teams would be forced to use them to be able to compete. it's silly to say that it's their bodies. you don't let people ruined themselves to be in the nfl and then the very same players would sue the nfl after they find out what it did to them. there is no place for peds in pro sports.

But, it's ok for people to eat food with GMO's? It's ok for people to drink caffeine? It's ok to take extra vitamins.?It's like the people who want to sue McDonald's and KFC for being fat. Is it ok to take Tylenol for a headache , or even make protein shakes with a couple extra MG of creatine to get bigger?

My point with all of this is how much should anyone be involved with controlling the life of someone else? Where do we draw the line? It's ok for actors to use steroids to buff up to play a part in a movie, but not a OL or a pitcher to do the same to put on extra weight to have a longer career.??

My son is a NCAA D1 athlete right now. He tells me stories of how 9 out of 10 players use PED's/HGH, and how there are many many ways to get around the tests...He says that the only guys playing are the guys taking. If that's true in college, you know it's true in the pros.

Are PED's an advantage? Yes! But so is drinking coffee in the morning to wake up. We all want to see bigger, faster, stronger, more athletic guys on our team. We are either hypocrites, or naive saying we care about what makes them get that way.

 

[Doomsday101]

I agree with you. It's not fair. But the players using HGH, etc. are putting themselves at a severe health risk. And when they get caught, and many ultimately do, they get suspended and hurt their team more than help them. If they want to be that foolish, all power to them.

I get that but for young players trying to make it in the NFL it puts a lot of pressure on them to use HGH to have a chance of making it and they should not be put in that position. I hope the league cracks down on this and put an end to it. Knowing the NFL and CBA they will not be as tough on users as I would like to see but it would be a start

 

[CT Dal Fan]

I get that but for young players trying to make it in the NFL it puts a lot of pressure on them to use HGH to have a chance of making it and they should not be put in that position. I hope the league cracks down on this and put an end to it. Knowing the NFL and CBA they will not be as tough on users as I would like to see but it would be a start

Very well put!!

 

[Super_Kazuya]

The common theme I have heard from these friends of mine that used them is that they were worried more about the 'now' and didn't care if it takes 10 years off their life and they only live to 70 years old because in their words what am I going to do when I'm 70 years old?

Even though I don't subscribe to it, I've always enjoyed the informal version of this I hear from time to time: "You say _____ will take 10 years off my life? That's fine, as long as they're the ones at the end."

 

[Doomsday101]

But, it's ok for people to eat food with GMO's? It's ok for people to drink caffeine? It's ok to take extra vitamins.?It's like the people who want to sue McDonald's and KFC for being fat. Is it ok to take Tylenol for a headache , or even make protein shakes with a couple extra MG of creatine to get bigger?

My point with all of this is how much should anyone be involved with controlling the life of someone else? Where do we draw the line? It's ok for actors to use steroids to buff up to play a part in a movie, but not a OL or a pitcher to do the same to put on extra weight to have a longer career.??

My son is a NCAA D1 athlete right now. He tells me stories of how 9 out of 10 players use PED's/HGH, and how there are many many ways to get around the tests...He says that the only guys playing are the guys taking. If that's true in college, you know it's true in the pros.

Are PED's an advantage? Yes! But so is drinking coffee in the morning to wake up. We all want to see bigger, faster, stronger, more athletic guys on our team. We are either hypocrites, or naive saying we care about what makes them get that way.

because a lot use them does not make it right and for those who don't they are at an unfair disadvantage. I don't give a damn about the guy who wants to risk it that is his choice but the leagues have a right to say if you want to play these are the rules and you will play by them. You can take all the HGH you want but not in this league

 

[dstovall5]

I'll be honest, I know if I was in the same position as a professional player, I'd most definitely take some type of performance enhancing drugs. The reason being, there's so much at stake for you to get beat out by some other guy who's juicing, when you're busting your tail every day and you're doing it clean. I think this is the reason a lot of players juice, to stay even on the playing field because if you're clean then you're already a step behind most athletes.

But, it's ok for people to eat food with GMO's? It's ok for people to drink caffeine? It's ok to take extra vitamins.?It's like the people who want to sue McDonald's and KFC for being fat. Is it ok to take Tylenol for a headache , or even make protein shakes with a couple extra MG of creatine to get bigger?

My point with all of this is how much should anyone be involved with controlling the life of someone else? Where do we draw the line? It's ok for actors to use steroids to buff up to play a part in a movie, but not a OL or a pitcher to do the same to put on extra weight to have a longer career.??

My son is a NCAA D1 athlete right now. He tells me stories of how 9 out of 10 players use PED's/HGH, and how there are many many ways to get around the tests...He says that the only guys playing are the guys taking. If that's true in college, you know it's true in the pros.

Are PED's an advantage? Yes! But so is drinking coffee in the morning to wake up. We all want to see bigger, faster, stronger, more athletic guys on our team. We are either hypocrites, or naive saying we care about what makes them get that way.

A little off topic here, but that's pretty cool man. If you don't mind, who does he play for and what position is he? Hopefully one day he can help out the 'Boys on the big stage, I'm sure that'd be an ultimate dream for a parent to see that.

 

[Risen Star]

I'm tired of being accused of using.

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

It's an unfair advantage that certain guys are faster, or smarter, or bigger. There is a lot of inequality in the league. I don't mind it.

Completely different.

One is a circumstance where genetically a person is bigger, stronger, faster naturally. A smaller guy can find a way to compete.

If juicing is allowed, it means everyone, regardless of the health detriments, will have to juice or not be competitive. It's one thing to accept the hazards of the job. It's another to have to take something that is likely going to hurt you down the road to be on the same level.

 

[CyberB0b]

Completely different.

One is a circumstance where genetically a person is bigger, stronger, faster naturally. A smaller guy can find a way to compete.

If juicing is allowed, it means everyone, regardless of the health detriments, will have to juice or not be competitive. It's one thing to accept the hazards of the job. It's another to have to take something that is likely going to hurt you down the road to be on the same level.

How does a smaller guy find a way to compete, when he has a genetic disadvantage, but he suddenly cannot compete when the other guy is taking steroids? I don't really buy the argument that everyone will have to juice to remain competitive. Barry Bonds was a hall of fame player before he juiced.

 

[xwalker]

What is your stance on it?

I personally don't care. If they want to jack up their bodies to be more competitive, then let them. Just makes the game more entertaining for me.

I'm sure that a large percentage of them use this stuff anyways.

Meh. The Steroids from the 70s and 80s were an extreme competitive advantage. I don't think HGH helps that much. I think it helps recovery time more than anything, HGH is not going to take a guys that benchs 200 to benching 300 in a short amount of time which did happen with steroids.

I think controlled use of HGH and maybe low level of Steroids could be helpful to society. They should be studied more in reasonable dosages.

The usage of Roids back before they were banned was usually extreme dosages. You would have problems is you had 100 cups of coffee per day instead of 1 or 2.

The theory is that making them illegal is protecting people, but the body builders and people that use Roids are in high danger because they use unregulated products that have unknown ingredients.

The NFL testing for weed and other non PEDs is a waste of time.

 

[Teague31]

I wish Mo would take them. At least then he would be average.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I'm with Rich. If you let guys take them, certain players will push them to the absolute limit just like pro bodybuilders do. And then you can have an annual Dead Pool like a certain website used to when it gave odds on which bodybuilders were going to drop dead in their 30s.

Plus, if guys start looking even more freaky and it's known they use drugs, kids will want to use them even more.

It's just a bad idea all the way around.

 

[kramskoi]

I'm with Rich. If you let guys take them, certain players will push them to the absolute limit just like pro bodybuilders do. And then you can have an annual Dead Pool like a certain website used to when it gave odds on which bodybuilders were going to drop dead in their 30s.

Plus, if guys start looking even more freaky and it's known they use drugs, kids will want to use them even more.

It's just a bad idea all the way around.

I agree...bad idea. I am a cyclist and I have followed pro cycling for many years. The rampant use of PED's, particularly in the 1990's and Lance Armstrong era, has sullied the reputation of the sport. It was a friggin arms race after Lemond's last tour win in 1990. These days, it is tough not to wonder if winners are juiced up. It casts a bad shadow and if fans really knew what it takes to keep bodies "year 'round great", they might be aghast. You hear all the time of athletes coming back to full health months ahead of a typical doctor's prognosis. Some athletes will respond better to PED's than others, so it is not a level playing field, nor is it safe from a life-expectancy standpoint, even though the most obsessive athletes would gladly give up years of their lives for championship glory.

 

[maxdallasfan]

A few years ago, most UFC fights ended in violent knock outs.

Pride FC in Japan had no testing. Crocop, Fedor, Wand, Rampage, Shogun, etc....those guys were animals and their fights were legendary.

UFC now tests, and tests a lot. The result: 95% of UFC fights now end in a 3 or 5 round snooze-fest decision. Plus, fighters are now always getting injured during training and pulling out of fights since they have to train harder when clean.

Regarding the guys I pointed out above? They came to the UFC and were shells of their former selves.

The sport is now boring.

 

[kramskoi]

How does a smaller guy find a way to compete, when he has a genetic disadvantage, but he suddenly cannot compete when the other guy is taking steroids? I don't really buy the argument that everyone will have to juice to remain competitive. Barry Bonds was a hall of fame player before he juiced.

I wish this was true of cycling. Guys on PED's are able to go to an untouchable level. Even a genetically gifted, clean athlete will be at a disadvantage, let alone lesser talents. Many cyclists found this out and left the sport early. Either you juiced to keep a job as a domestique or you found another profession. Most of these guys know how to do nothing else but ride a bike. The people who delight in bashing Lance Armstrong are less receptive to what he said about winning the Tour de France clean. In his era and the era before?...no dice...not even close!!!