How do you guys think Osa is doing?

[kskboys]

Osa is best suited to do well as a pass rusher who gets penetration but gets few sacks. He often gets worn down in the 2nd half of games, when he struggles to limit the run. Getting bigger and stronger DTs should serve this team far better in the future to solve that problem.

Alim McNeil, DET, 6-2/330.

I desperately wanted him over Kelvin.

 

[buybuydandavis]

Odighi is a true 3tech DT.
- He said he was over 290 in camp.
- Aaron Donald plays at about 290.

• Crawford
• Good DE vs run
• Good DT vs pass
• Got overpaid but that does not mean he was a bad player.

Your resort to Aaron Donald is the perfect example of the exception proving the rule.

Osa is *not* Aaron Donald, and neither are any other dlinemen of his size. They are all considered too small for full-time duty.

The Good *and* Bad for Crawford in a 4-3:

• Good DE vs run, Bad DE vs. Pass
• Good DT vs pass, Bad DT vs. Run
• Looked good early in his career where his smaller size gave him a quickness advantage at DT, got physically ground down over the years by his size disadvantage at DT.

Just what you'd expect for a 4-3 tweener bigger than a DE and smaller than a DT.

Not only is Osa not Aaron Donald, doesn't look like he can even be Tyrone Crawford. He's pooped out in the back half of two seasons now.

Go look at his splits. Significantly less productive as the season wears on.
Sack/QBhit by Month
2 Septembers 1.5/4
2 Octobers 2.5/11
2 Novembers, 0.0/1
1 December 0.0/2

Not a bum we should throw away, but just not suited to full time duty as a 3T.

 

[xwalker]

Your resort to Aaron Donald is the perfect example of the exception proving the rule.

Osa is *not* Aaron Donald, and neither are any other dlinemen of his size. They are all considered too small for full-time duty.

The Good *and* Bad for Crawford in a 4-3:

• Good DE vs run, Bad DE vs. Pass
• Good DT vs pass, Bad DT vs. Run
• Looked good early in his career where his smaller size gave him a quickness advantage at DT, got physically ground down over the years by his size disadvantage at DT.

Just what you'd expect for a 4-3 tweener bigger than a DE and smaller than a DT.

Not only is Osa not Aaron Donald, doesn't look like he can even be Tyrone Crawford. He's pooped out in the back half of two seasons now.

Go look at his splits. Significantly less productive as the season wears on.
Sack/QBhit by Month
2 Septembers 1.5/4
2 Octobers 2.5/11
2 Novembers, 0.0/1
1 December 0.0/2

Not a bum we should throw away, but just not suited to full time duty as a 3T.

There have been plenty of techs his size.
John Randle comes to mind.

Jonathan Allen is only 6-3, 300.

 

[xwalker]

Your resort to Aaron Donald is the perfect example of the exception proving the rule.

Osa is *not* Aaron Donald, and neither are any other dlinemen of his size. They are all considered too small for full-time duty.

The Good *and* Bad for Crawford in a 4-3:

• Good DE vs run, Bad DE vs. Pass
• Good DT vs pass, Bad DT vs. Run
• Looked good early in his career where his smaller size gave him a quickness advantage at DT, got physically ground down over the years by his size disadvantage at DT.

Just what you'd expect for a 4-3 tweener bigger than a DE and smaller than a DT.

Not only is Osa not Aaron Donald, doesn't look like he can even be Tyrone Crawford. He's pooped out in the back half of two seasons now.

Go look at his splits. Significantly less productive as the season wears on.
Sack/QBhit by Month
2 Septembers 1.5/4
2 Octobers 2.5/11
2 Novembers, 0.0/1
1 December 0.0/2

Not a bum we should throw away, but just not suited to full time duty as a 3T.

Individual stats for interior DLinemen don't have much value.

You team stats when the DT is on the field to really evaluate their impact.

Quinn runs many T-E stunts where the (D)Tackle occupies blockers while the End loops inside. They run far fewer E-T stunts.

- They ran 3-4 several times in a recent game on run downs and Odighi was the only player that was always in that alignment.
- He played both DE and NT on those the 3-4 snaps.
- Note: I'm considering Kearse in 3 Safety sets as a LB. Otherwise, it would be 3-1-5 on those snaps.

 

[Bullflop]

Alim McNeil, DET, 6-2/330.

I desperately wanted him over Kelvin.

He likely may have been a far superior version of what we need now than Diggy seems to be.

Sometimes, we'll set our sights for one position and disregard others with far greater promise.

The draft is and always has been a gambling proposition. Hopefully, we'll get a great DT soon.

 

[DanA]

He’s good enough to be a starter in the league on most teams, but he’s support rather than the center piece of a good defensive line. He’s still an ascending player but his production (college and Pro) suggests he’ll never be a star.

If you ask me we should be chasing Da’Ron Payne in the off-season. I can’t see anyone having more impact to this teams fortunes than a good 1T and I don’t see a draft pick having the immediate impact we want.

 

[buybuydandavis]

Individual stats for interior DLinemen don't have much value.

You team stats when the DT is on the field to really evaluate their impact.

Quinn runs many T-E stunts where the (D)Tackle occupies blockers while the End loops inside. They run far fewer E-T stunts.

- They ran 3-4 several times in a recent game on run downs and Odighi was the only player that was always in that alignment.
- He played both DE and NT on those the 3-4 snaps.
- Note: I'm considering Kearse in 3 Safety sets as a LB. Otherwise, it would be 3-1-5 on those snaps.

When the individual stats *vary for a player*, that's a signal for something happening *for him*.

Having Osa on the field for all 3 man fronts makes sense. He's suited to be a 3frontE on run downs and a 4front3T on pass downs.
I think Quinn wants to use more 3man fronts and that's what he drafted Osa to play. Gotta get a decent NT to make that work.

He's *not* suited to spend a lot of downs as run down 4Front 3T. Or a run down 3Front NT.

 

[buybuydandavis]

There have been plenty of techs his size.
John Randle comes to mind.

Jonathan Allen is only 6-3, 300.

Randle last played in 2003. The league has gotten bigger, stronger, faster in the last 20 years.

It's not that a player can't play a position where he's on the small tail of the distribution of size of players. But that tail is a tail for a reason. Less blood, bone, and muscle generally breaks faster than more.

 

[kskboys]

He likely may have been a far superior version of what we need now than Diggy seems to be.

Sometimes, we'll set our sights for one position and disregard others with far greater promise.

The draft is and always has been a gambling proposition. Hopefully, we'll get a great DT soon.

At least we're starting to take guys who aren't 3 techs.

 

[kskboys]

He likely may have been a far superior version of what we need now than Diggy seems to be.

Sometimes, we'll set our sights for one position and disregard others with far greater promise.

The draft is and always has been a gambling proposition. Hopefully, we'll get a great DT soon.

Far superior. He put Peninsi on the Bench, and Peninsi is quality.

 

[Whyjerry]

You put a player like Payne next to him, and he could be a real playmaker

This nails it. They are very soft in the middle of the DL. OO has got ability but he is really best served as a 50/55 snap guy playing along side a DT that can keep him a little cleaner. I like him but he needs a little help.

 

[plasticman]

Osa leads all Cowboys DT's in solo tackles (15), combined tackles (24), tackles for a loss (7), quarterback hits (5), and sacks(2).

Osa is the youngest of our five current DT's.

 

[Dak_Attack_09]

Decent depth. Unfortunately he's our best DT.

Nope, Big Bo is.

 

[buybuydandavis]

At least we're starting to take guys who aren't 3 techs.

Maybe cause the 3Ts we picked weren't much as 3Ts or anything else.

Though it's not like we really spent a high pick on any of them. Ironically the worst of the bunch was the highest pick - Hill.

Weird how Collins and Gallimore had their best seasons as rookies. Not an endorsement of our coaching staff over the years. So much for the Dline Whisperer.

 

[Acceptablename]

The second round pick in his second year and he’s a jag. Give me a break he’s a solid contributor

 

[kskboys]

Maybe cause the 3Ts we picked weren't much as 3Ts or anything else.

Though it's not like we really spent a high pick on any of them. Ironically the worst of the bunch was the highest pick - Hill.

Weird how Collins and Gallimore had their best seasons as rookies. Not an endorsement of our coaching staff over the years. So much for the Dline Whisperer.

Part of it is that we're asking guys who don't have the correct build to play NT to play NT anyway. Shortened and ruined Ratliff's career. I cannot for the life of me why we are so completely inept at understanding this position and the importance of having a guy who can play there.

 

[kskboys]

The second round pick in his second year and he’s a jag. Give me a break he’s a solid contributor

He doesn't fit the description of a JAG. He's a tweener type, good rotational player.

 

[kskboys]

Nope, Big Bo is.

Not any more. Hankins is our best DT now.

 

[kskboys]

The second round pick in his second year and he’s a jag. Give me a break he’s a solid contributor

3rd.