How does more zone affect Diggs

[Parcells4Life]

Diggs is the second best weapon we have on defense. Going to a passive bend but don’t break where you don’t challenge for turnovers is neutralizing his ability.

Will he be able to make plays on the ball in this scheme?

 

[Risen Star]

I'm lost. Did the scheme stop the Seattle secondary from making plays? If he's good enough he'll make plays.

 

[quickccc]

Diggs is the second best weapon we have on defense. Going to a passive bend but don’t break where you don’t challenge for turnovers is neutralizing his ability.

Will he be able to make plays on the ball in this scheme?

Not at all, imo
if anything going to a zone based scheme in the Cover 3 will allow him more vision at the ball and breaks on the ball for big plays

DB coach Al Harris had Diggs playing right up in press situations at the line on seemingly every down basis, whereas he cannot run stride for stride, hip to hip with the better speedsters on 60+ yd go fly bombs.

Diggs is not Lester Hayes. He doesn't have top recovery long speed, so it's important to scheme him to where it's not as challenging and demanding and place him in a scheme
where he can thrive the best and make more plays with keeping plays in front of him.

I can deal with him giving up just a couple of 11 and 14 yarders vs those 50- 60 yd bombs where he's getting separated and ends up a long bomb TD vs the Terry McClaughin and Metcalfs of the world.

 

[Doomsday101]

Diggs is the second best weapon we have on defense. Going to a passive bend but don’t break where you don’t challenge for turnovers is neutralizing his ability.

Will he be able to make plays on the ball in this scheme?

They used both man and zone at Alabama he is more than capable of playing both.

 

[JoeKing]

The theory says yes but only time will tell.

 

[khiladi]

I think any comparison to Seattle’s LOB, is absurd, considering that was a generational defense, with generational talent.

Hell, the first year Sherman played and Chancellor started, they jumped from 12 INTs to 22 INTs. The following season they went to 18 INTs, but jumped from 7 to 1 in scoring defense and Sherman had 8 INTs that year. They notched 28 in 2013 and Sherman again had 8. They were forcing fumbles and generated 30 plus sacks a year, without blitzing that much.

The last year of Quinn, they produce only 13 INTs, while still being the number 1 ranked scoring defense and went to 14 the next year when Kris took over.

If anything, the clear stand out is Sherman stopped notching other-Worldy numbers as regards INTs.

 

[Doomsday101]

I think any comparison to Seattle’s LOB, is absurd, considering that was a generational defense, with generational talent.

Hell, the first year Sherman played and Chancellor started, they jumped from 12 INTs to 22 INTs. The following season they went to 18 INTs, but jumped from 7 to 1 in scoring defense and Sherman had 8 INTs that year. They were forcing fumbles and generated 30 plus sacks a year, without blitzing that much.

I'm not as interested in being the Seahawks what I am interested in is being a good solid defense who can make plays and hold opponents down and not allow them to go up and down the field at will.

 

[khiladi]

I'm not as interested in being the Seahawks what I am interested in is being a good solid defense who can make plays and hold opponents down and not allow them to go up and down the field at will.

This is more in regards to evaluating Quinn via Seattle or Atlanta... It’s probably more accurate to use Atlanta as the Point of reference, because Quinn basically inherited the LOB that was already generational.

 

[Ranched]

Going to a passive bend but don’t break where you don’t challenge for turnovers is neutralizing his ability.
Will he be able to make plays on the ball in this scheme?

He already has vs Egals. Diggs’ end zone interception was the Cowboys first pick in 207 passes against them. BOOM!

 

[Doomsday101]

This is more in regards to evaluating Quinn via Seattle or Atlanta... It’s probably more accurate to use Atlanta as the Point of reference, because Quinn basically inherited the LOB that was already generational.

and yet while as a whole he did not fair well as a HC he was still able to get the Falcons to the SB. I think he lacks as a HC just as wade Phillips but I do think Quinn knows defense

 

[khiladi]

and yet while as a whole he did not fair well as a HC he was still able to get the Falcons to the SB. I think he lacks as a HC just as wade Phillips but I do think Quinn knows defense

We are stuck with what we got, so we’ll see. I’m like “eh, it is what it is..”

 

[Doomsday101]

We are stuck with what we got, so we’ll see. I’m like “eh, it is what it is..”

I don't see us stuck, I expect them to draft on defense and I don't think you need Kam, Thomas and Wagner to run this 4-3 defense.

 

[gimmesix]

Diggs is the second best weapon we have on defense. Going to a passive bend but don’t break where you don’t challenge for turnovers is neutralizing his ability.

Will he be able to make plays on the ball in this scheme?

The corners play press-man technique in cover 3, match vertical releases and funnel inside routes to the free safety. That allows them to drop into zones with the opportunity to undercut out-breaking routes. You need to have really good press corners in the scheme and a free safety with great range and ability.

Richard Sherman had four or more interceptions in five of his first six years in the league, including two years with eight.

IMO, Diggs' strength is his press and his weakness is having to chase receivers all over the field. If he's limited by the scheme with essentially only having to worry about protecting his sideline, it should make him more effective.

Now, the question is whether we can find a safety who can get over and handle receivers when they are turned loose by a corner. I don't think Donovan Wilson fits that role and will play more of the strong safety spot in that scheme.

 

[khiladi]

The corners play press-man technique in cover 3, match vertical releases and funnel inside routes to the free safety. That allows them to drop into zones with the opportunity to undercut out-breaking routes. You need to have really good press corners in the scheme and a free safety with great range and ability.

Richard Sherman had four or more interceptions in five of his first six years in the league, including two years with eight.

There talent was generational and insane. Aren’t they running pretty much the same scheme now and blowing coverages regularly?

 

[Haimerej]

bend but don’t break where you don’t challenge for turnovers

This doesn't exist.

For all the talk about not getting turnovers, it wasn't scheme. Prior to his arrival in DAL, Marinelli's last 3 years in CHI saw his defenses with 20+ interceptions each year, not to mention the fumble recoveries. He had a reputation for having defenses who took the ball away. We saw glimpses of that in 2014, when they had 31 takeaways with the likes of Bruce Carter, Barry Church, JJ Wilcox, and Scandrick.

The best defensive back they've had in the last 5 years was an incredible athlete with no football instincts (Jones). Diggs at least seems to have some ball skills.

 

[Doomsday101]

There talent was generational and insane. Aren’t they running pretty much the same scheme now and blowing coverages regularly?

Right now we are not stopping the run, when teams can setup in 2nd and 2 or 3 their offense is open to everything and the inability to stop the run has a lot to do with pass coverage. When teams can run it opens a lot of options up for the offense.

 

[Cowboyny]

The corners play press-man technique in cover 3, match vertical releases and funnel inside routes to the free safety. That allows them to drop into zones with the opportunity to undercut out-breaking routes. You need to have really good press corners in the scheme and a free safety with great range and ability.

Richard Sherman had four or more interceptions in five of his first six years in the league, including two years with eight.

IMO, Diggs' strength is his press and his weakness is having to chase receivers all over the field. If he's limited by the scheme with essentially only having to worry about protecting his sideline, it should make him more effective.

Now, the question is whether we can find a safety who can get over and handle receivers when they are turned loose by a corner. I don't think Donovan Wilson fits that role and will play more of the strong safety spot in that scheme.

Biggest issue I have with the back-end is where are we finding this rangy safety? Not a great safety class, especially a single high free safety. Team might actually have to spend for once at the position to fill the need.

 

[gimmesix]

There talent was generational and insane. Aren’t they running pretty much the same scheme now and blowing coverages regularly?

I don't know. The problem with a lot of schemes is having the players to play them. Cover-3 is actually easier on the corners than some other schemes, but the corners can look bad if the free safety is not very good because quarterbacks will hit the receivers in between the corner and safety. Even if the coverage responsibility was on the safety, a lot of fans blame the corner because they were playing the receiver right before he came open. Quarterbacks want to take advantage of those zone gaps; that's why having a safety like Thomas made Seattle so effective, because he could close them.

If Dallas wants Quinn to primarily run the Seattle defense, then it has to go after a top-notch free safety. If it doesn't add one, then it doesn't need to use cover-3 as its primary coverage.

 

[gimmesix]

Biggest issue I have with the back-end is where are we finding this rangy safety? Not a great safety class, especially a single high free safety. Team might actually have to spend for once at the position to fill the need.

I think if we're going cover-3, then we will need to chase someone like Justin Simmons. However, since I doubt the Joneses will be willing to spend that kind of dough on an outside FA, I would not be surprised if we try Earl Thomas on an incentive-laden deal. It probably depends on how Quinn feels about him. Obviously, we wouldn't be getting the Earl Thomas of Seattle's glory days, but he could be seen as a cheaper bridge player. And coming off his ouster in Baltimore and no one willing to take a chance on him, he might be on his best behavior for a year.

 

[Cowboyny]

I think if we're going cover-3, then we will need to chase someone like Justin Simmons. However, since I doubt the Joneses will be willing to spend that kind of dough on an outside FA, I would not be surprised if we try Earl Thomas on an incentive-laden deal. It probably depends on how Quinn feels about him. Obviously, we wouldn't be getting the Earl Thomas of Seattle's glory days, but he could be seen as a cheaper bridge player. And coming off his ouster in Baltimore and no one willing to take a chance on him, he might be on his best behavior for a year.

I think it's more realistic to see Earl coming in and pairing him up with a rookie prospect, then it is seeing the team sign a tier 1 fa at the position.