How does more zone affect Diggs

[gimmesix]

I think it's more realistic to see Earl coming in and pairing him up with a rookie prospect, then it is seeing the team sign a tier 1 fa at the position.

Yeah. It probably depends on how far into the deep end Thomas is. If he can't face the reality that his career is waning (and take a lesser deal because of it) and commit to being a good soldier for at least one season, then we won't go that direction. It also depends on how Quinn feels about him.

If we go that direction, I think we'll draft a safety in the third-fifth rounds and try to groom him. I won't be surprised if we end up with Sherman either and do that same thing. We could draft a corner early, especially with a player from that position being among the best available to us in the first round, but Sherman makes sense as a transition player no matter what. Again, the price would have to be relatively low.

Now, I'd go after Simmons and cement the position for the next three or four years, but the Joneses don't play that.

 

[Cowboyny]

Yeah. It probably depends on how far into the deep end Thomas is. If he can't face the reality that his career is waning (and take a lesser deal because of it) and commit to being a good soldier for at least one season, then we won't go that direction. It also depends on how Quinn feels about him.

If we go that direction, I think we'll draft a safety in the third-fifth rounds and try to groom him. I won't be surprised if we end up with Sherman either and do that same thing. We could draft a corner early, especially with a player from that position being among the best available to us in the first round, but Sherman makes sense as a transition player no matter what. Again, the price would have to be relatively low.

Now, I'd go after Simmons and cement the position for the next three or four years, but the Joneses don't play that.

Earl is a total wildcard. Not one team gave him an opportunity and I heard Houston players voted not to have him in their locker room. His time might be up in this league.

Think Sherman is still going to be pretty expensive. Yes, had an injury plaqued season, but he was productive in their Super Bowl run two years ago. He is also took less to stay on the West Coast when he originally signed with the 49ers.

Heard on the draft show today from Bucky Brooks saying Quinn has a history of converting corners into safeties. I wonder if these are any veterans of draftees would may fit the mold.

Ultimately, I see the team signing a veteran like Tashaun Gipson to a low level contract and drafting a safety late day 2, early day 3.

 

[gimmesix]

Earl is a total wildcard. Not one team gave him an opportunity and I heard Houston players voted not to have him in their locker room. His time might be up in this league.

Think Sherman is still going to be pretty expensive. Yes, had an injury plaqued season, but he was productive in their Super Bowl run two years ago. He is also took less to stay on the West Coast when he originally signed with the 49ers.

Heard on the draft show today from Bucky Brooks saying Quinn has a history of converting corners into safeties. I wonder if these are any veterans of draftees would may fit the mold.

Ultimately, I see the team signing a veteran like Tashaun Gipson to a low level contract and drafting a safety late day 2, early day 3.

It might be the end of the line for Thomas, but he's also had a year away to see that skill is not enough. If he wants to return to the game, he might be a little more compliant. Then again, he's also always been difficult to deal with and with his skills in decline, he might be deemed not worth the headache at this point.

I think Sherman is more likely if San Fran doesn't bring him back. However, as been said elsewhere, the safety spot is one of the keys to running the Seattle scheme, so if Quinn wants to run it, he's going to have to find someone capable. I could see the cornerback conversion, but I don't see anyone on our team currently capable.

 

[stilltheguru]

Yall need to wait until the conbine to see who can play free safety. If a guy runs 4.47 and has a great 3 cone they can do it. You dont necessarily need old, slow earl thomas or Simmons

 

[Ranched]

 

[McKDaddy]

Quinn has a history of converting corners into safeties

This is the kind of thing that could allow you to make a significant turnaround in a shorter time frame.

 

[McKDaddy]

Leave Sherman alone. Embrace younger players.

 

[Mr_437]

Anybody recall a CB switched to FS, and he was better at Safety? How frequently does that work out?

Topic: Diggs will be fine in this scheme, heck, he might make more plays on ball. Quinn might not have the best CBs, but they fit his height requirements.

 

[JayFord]

Im on the side that says the defense cant get worse

Diggs has talent....but outside Corner is a tough position for a rookie who has no training camp......

hopefully he thrives in Quinns system

 

[Cowboyny]

This is the kind of thing that could allow you to make a significant turnaround in a shorter time frame.

The transition isn't that easy to make as only a few have successfully done it later in their careers.

 

[CouchCoach]

More zone makes him a better player because of the constructive criticism we offer here. All of the players should come here for pointers on how to do their jobs better and even some get pointers for what to pursue when this career is over. And often, we offer career advice of just when to retire.

These players, and quite a few coaches, just need more zone.

 

[baltcowboy]

Earl is a total wildcard. Not one team gave him an opportunity and I heard Houston players voted not to have him in their locker room. His time might be up in this league.

Think Sherman is still going to be pretty expensive. Yes, had an injury plaqued season, but he was productive in their Super Bowl run two years ago. He is also took less to stay on the West Coast when he originally signed with the 49ers.

Heard on the draft show today from Bucky Brooks saying Quinn has a history of converting corners into safeties. I wonder if these are any veterans of draftees would may fit the mold.

Ultimately, I see the team signing a veteran like Tashaun Gipson to a low level contract and drafting a safety late day 2, early day 3.

What do you think of Malik Hooker, I thought coming out of the Taco draft he was the next Ed Reed. His range in college was incredible. Lots of injuries as a pro but he could be cheap.

 

[Cowboyny]

What do you think of Malik Hooker, I thought coming out of the Taco draft he was the next Ed Reed. His range in college was incredible. Lots of injuries as a pro but he could be cheap.

I like Hooker, but he has major durability concerns. Team would almost have to pair him up with a high draft pick at the position. Hooker could be a low cost bargain, but also could live up to his injury prone label. I don't think the team could rely on him being a full time starter based on his history.

 

[HungryLion]

Most heartbreaking upset.

man that team should have been in an NFC title game if not the Super Bowl.

 

[McKDaddy]

The transition isn't that easy to make as only a few have successfully done it later in their careers.

People say that but I find it hard to believe. I believe it was Rod Woodson when asked about his successful transition who said that most players should be able to make the switch, it came down to "want to".

Besides I'm not just talking vets. I'm talking anyone who isn't going to cut it as a starting cornerback. Take all that talent and find a way to make a career at safety rather than being a fringe guy.

Also with today's technology you can have all the film broken down for you so that you can learn how to play the position before you ever step on a field. that can be studied 24\7\265. As Deion said, defensive backs don't need sophisticated practice fields & equipment. give them some ground, lay out cones, tape, etc. so they can practice their technique & timing to get to the right spots. They can be very prepared by they time they step on practice field against live competition.

 

[baltcowboy]

I like Hooker, but he has major durability concerns. Team would almost have to pair him up with a high draft pick at the position. Hooker could be a low cost bargain, but also could live up to his injury prone label. I don't think the team could rely on him being a full time starter based on his history.

Hooker and Robinson combo? I think Robinson is going back to cornerback. What you think is gonna happen with Jaylon. He has a roster bonus in March and if he is a June cut the Cowboys save 7 million.

 

[DogFace]

I hate bend but don’t break. I hate being last on D worse.

 

[texbumthelife]

Diggs is the second best weapon we have on defense. Going to a passive bend but don’t break where you don’t challenge for turnovers is neutralizing his ability.

Will he be able to make plays on the ball in this scheme?

If Quinn mimmicks his cover-3 from Seattle, one corner will be a press guy at times. If that winds up being Diggs I think it's the perfect role for him. He'll play that Sherman bump and run technique which allows him to keep eyes in the backfield for a few ticks before flipping his hips. It's a role I think he would be very good at day one. He'll be able to take advantage of his length as well as his ball skills. It also allows the defense to bring the safety (Wilson) up to play that underneath stuff--also his strong suit.

I think the shift in philosophy makes a lot more sense than some people are giving credit for. Do they need a DT, LB and S? Yes. But, they needed that no matter what the scheme was going to be.

 

[Cowboyny]

Hooker and Robinson combo? I think Robinson is going back to cornerback. What you think is gonna happen with Jaylon. He has a roster bonus in March and if he is a June cut the Cowboys save 7 million.

-The likelyhood of them relying on Hooker/Robinson is very unrealistic, neither player can be counted on.

-Think Quinn will be tasked to salvage both Jaylon/Lve this season, I find it very hard to see the team releasing Jaylon without a legitimate replacement already on the roster. With the 4-3 returning, they already have a need for another starting linebacker, will they create 2? Probably unrealistic to expect. Decisions on both players probably happen next off-season, where Jaylon could be cut and Lve's 5th yr option not being picked up.

 

[Cowboyny]

People say that but I find it hard to believe. I believe it was Rod Woodson when asked about his successful transition who said that most players should be able to make the switch, it came down to "want to".

Besides I'm not just talking vets. I'm talking anyone who isn't going to cut it as a starting cornerback. Take all that talent and find a way to make a career at safety rather than being a fringe guy.

Also with today's technology you can have all the film broken down for you so that you can learn how to play the position before you ever step on a field. that can be studied 24\7\265. As Deion said, defensive backs don't need sophisticated practice fields & equipment. give them some ground, lay out cones, tape, etc. so they can practice their technique & timing to get to the right spots. They can be very prepared by they time they step on practice field against live competition.

Three players successfully made the switch that I am aware of and two are hall of famers in Rod and Charles Woodson. The other was Malcom Jenkins. It's much harder then many realize.