How Good can Javante Williams be?

Pass2Run said:
If he returns to full form, is it possible we found ourselves a back? I mean, he has a lot of potential especially playing with a guy like Blue.

The question is, how much is his injury still impacting him today?
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Look I have no expectations, but I can tell you this all this talk that we didn't get an RB 1 as if we don't have players here that that's making our run game better than last year is off base in my opinion, I think we are better...

Take the offensive line philosophy right now it seems like they want to make that the best it's been in a while they're focusing on scheme and don't tell me that Jayden Blue is not going to do Tony Pollard type things that is an improvement already having another guy like Pollard that could do the things Pollard did before his injury and maybe do it better he's got Jamir Gibbs tight upside, not saying that's who he's going to be ,

but I'm running back room is improved because we don't have Zeke here and you got Williams and Sanders can battle out for one spot but mafah has a shot here because he could be your dirty yard short yardage guy you know your blue collar lunch pail type and then you bring in blue... so I in my opinion how can you not think at least on paper we look better than last year in the run game...

I don't care who makes it the best ones need to be kept, and they need to part ways with the rest of them... I know we had our eyes set on RB1 has to be a guy like Henry or Saquan Barkley and that's just not true not every teams getting one of those and I know running back by committee seems like a bad word around here but it isn't if you have the right mix of players the San Francisco 49ers did it three or four years ago where they had about three running backs that had over 500 yards each and they were all weapons and they went to the Super Bowl playing with Garoppolo and a running back by committee...

It can be done and I believe they will get it done I think we have enough guys that can pick through and pick the best of them.. But I remember a name being thrown around here you know the ex-Pittsburgh Steeler Najee Harris who I believe looked a whole lot like a 3 yard and cloud of dust guy, he was a dirty yards guy he wasn't special and yet he got paid to go elsewhere our own fan base wants that and that is the exact type of guy mafah is...

I mean somebody here said he reminds him of Eddie George, well Eddie George was like that too he has a career average under four yards per carry, he wasn't special as far as breaking big runs, but I like to keep it at why don't we just say we have another Rico here that is who mafah, probably is going to be most like, meaning he does nothing special, he doesn't break long runs, but he can get the job done,

as long as you have they change a pace guy like blue to come in and get that juice that you need along with a guy like Turpin he's not a running back but they use turpin and lamb as part of the run game and I think we're better in my opinion, I think this coaching staff will utilize these players better...
 
Mr_437 said:
Rico is better than all of these RBs since you mentioned him, whether, it's one aspect of playing RB or another I believe Rico is better overall than the whole Dallas stable.
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I disagree he finally had one good year and now everybody's overrating him he did nothing special he had two touchdowns 1 he bobble for 30 seconds that was a pass thank God he caught it it was an easy pass to catch and he made it look tough he had one other running touchdown you have 1000 yards that in those 1000 yards nothing looked special he didn't make a lot of cuts he didn't break a lot of long runs and he definitely didn't score a lot of touchdowns you are overrating the man.. It took him three or four years of practice squads and being moved up to finally have a solid year and you think he's better than anything we have on this team you're delusional..

Don't get me wrong I like the guy but I guarantee you even this rookie mafa can be Rico easily if he's given the ball in front of a solid offensive line and just used for The Dirty yards and then you cannot sit here and try to tell me that Rico is better than Jayden Blue you apparently didn't watch a lot of Texas games and look at the videos this guy's not a gadget guy he's Tony Pollard with Jamir Gibbs upside you're trying to tell me that Rico is better than Tony Pollard are you serious no the the running back by committee from this stable whichever ones they pick can be much better than we had last year..

Hey but we're all allowed to have our own opinions on it i'm telling you you're out bass but hey you could tell me I'm wrong but I'm telling you right now just adding Jayden Blue and having another guy on this team like Rico his name is Phil Moffa can very much do the same things and do it better last year we didn't have Jayden blue we didn't have that juice change of pace back we lost that after Tony Pollard got hurt but now we have it back it may even be better you're selling this guy short and you shouldn't but you'll be surprised and if I'm wrong keep receipts but I'm telling you Jayden Blues better than you think he is he was just so far down on the depth chart because of the elite players that Texas Longhorns had at running back but anytime he got a shot to play he shined...
 
How good can he be?

I’m thinking like a Jim Brown/Barry Sanders type of combo. The sky is the limit.

Unless the two rooks are complete disasters, just roll with them. They seem to complement each other perfectly actually. See what you have at the least.

Sanders won’t make the team, and Williams will start until around week five, about 2-3 games after average fans realize he isn’t the answer.

It’s nice that they added some lower end vet RB before the draft in case it didn’t go their way yet again, but it seems to have….and the same thing should have been done at DT/LB but oh well. Stopping the run isn’t a big deal.

Ya know you’d think a team that suddenly realizes that running the ball is important would also understand that the opponent wants to do the same, and easily can.
 
blueblood70 said:
I disagree he finally had one good year and now everybody's overrating him he did nothing special he had two touchdowns 1 he bobble for 30 seconds that was a pass thank God he caught it it was an easy pass to catch and he made it look tough he had one other running touchdown you have 1000 yards that in those 1000 yards nothing looked special he didn't make a lot of cuts he didn't break a lot of long runs and he definitely didn't score a lot of touchdowns you are overrating the man.. It took him three or four years of practice squads and being moved up to finally have a solid year and you think he's better than anything we have on this team you're delusional..

Don't get me wrong I like the guy but I guarantee you even this rookie mafa can be Rico easily if he's given the ball in front of a solid offensive line and just used for The Dirty yards and then you cannot sit here and try to tell me that Rico is better than Jayden Blue you apparently didn't watch a lot of Texas games and look at the videos this guy's not a gadget guy he's Tony Pollard with Jamir Gibbs upside you're trying to tell me that Rico is better than Tony Pollard are you serious no the the running back by committee from this stable whichever ones they pick can be much better than we had last year..

Hey but we're all allowed to have our own opinions on it i'm telling you you're out bass but hey you could tell me I'm wrong but I'm telling you right now just adding Jayden Blue and having another guy on this team like Rico his name is Phil Moffa can very much do the same things and do it better last year we didn't have Jayden blue we didn't have that juice change of pace back we lost that after Tony Pollard got hurt but now we have it back it may even be better you're selling this guy short and you shouldn't but you'll be surprised and if I'm wrong keep receipts but I'm telling you Jayden Blues better than you think he is he was just so far down on the depth chart because of the elite players that Texas Longhorns had at running back but anytime he got a shot to play he shined...
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Javonte and Miles washed. Blue a 3rd down RB, and let's be real Wisner took over as the lead RB for Texas. Mafah hasn't even took a snap in the league, and is a 7th round pick. Like I said, Rico at this moment is better as an overall RB than the whole lot.

People who you have a different opinion than yourself you like to call delusional, ok, let's just see how this plays out. Delusional is hitching your wagon to 2 RBs who average 4.0 yards a carry or less, a career college RB2 who's a 5th round pick, and a 7th round pick, but I'm delusional? Lol. Say what you want, but Rico rushed for 1,000 yards behind a trash OL in the NFL. Let's see who runs for 1,000 behind a better OL and possibly a healthy QB1.
 
Mr_437 said:
Rico is better than all of these RBs since you mentioned him, whether, it's one aspect of playing RB or another I believe Rico is better overall than the whole Dallas stable.
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Yeah people are too quick to dismiss Dowdle. I get its not like he was a top 10 back or anything, but we do need to replace 235 carries at 4.6YPA. Even at his best Williams was a 4.4ypc guy his rookie year so him getting back to form best case scenario probably means is probably about the same level of production that Rico was.

The area the Cowboys can be better at is just the 100 or so carries that were given to Zeke/Cooks/Leupke that I'm not even sure combined for 3 yards a pop.
 
thunderpimp91 said:
The area the Cowboys can be better at is just the 100 or so carries that were given to Zeke/Cooks/Leupke that I'm not even sure combined for 3 yards a pop.
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100%.

I'm optimistic the OL will be significantly better this year which will help. 4 of the 5 starting positions will get better play than last year.
 
thunderpimp91 said:
Yeah people are too quick to dismiss Dowdle. I get its not like he was a top 10 back or anything, but we do need to replace 235 carries at 4.6YPA. Even at his best Williams was a 4.4ypc guy his rookie year so him getting back to form best case scenario probably means is probably about the same level of production that Rico was.

The area the Cowboys can be better at is just the 100 or so carries that were given to Zeke/Cooks/Leupke that I'm not even sure combined for 3 yards a pop.
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Agreed 100%.
I believe the Cowboys did raise the floor of the room with Blue n Mafah vs Zeke n Cook, so the upside there is encouraging.
 
jazzcat22 said:
Over used term by fans.
Then again he could be.

JAG = Just A Guess .... by fans ....
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Most fans don’t even watch games other than Cowboys and *maybe* an NFC east game and then *maybe* a SNF/MNF type of matchup.

Their opinions on random free agents are based on “research and opinions” they’ve read from other fans who just happened to read a thread a few days earlier.

Those fans?

Googled the name before forming their opinion.

We’re all guilty to an extent. There are maybe 5% of the board who actually stay up on this stuff.
 
Pass2Run said:
If he returns to full form, is it possible we found ourselves a back? I mean, he has a lot of potential especially playing with a guy like Blue.

The question is, how much is his injury still impacting him today?
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I tend to stick with the "you are what you are" philosophy until proven otherwise. Javonte Williams has been a 3.7 YPC back the last two seasons.

He was signed by a front office that believed last year that Ezekiel Elliott could still be a lead back and the last couple of years that Royce Freeman and Ronald Jones could be cheap contributors.

We could easily end up with a running back room where none of our backs are even as good as Dowdle was last year.
 
CATCH17 said:
He’s still really young.

I think he will be decent at worst.


Getting Blue makes all this a lot better.

We just need someone who can wear down a defense as well and I don’t know if that’s on the roster.

I wish we would have got Brooks from Tech instead of Mafah.
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I wish we'd take a chance on Chubb. If we're going to throw crap against the wall and see what sticks, we should at least get some once very high quality crap.
 
Mr_437 said:
Javonte and Miles washed. Blue a 3rd down RB, and let's be real Wisner took over as the lead RB for Texas. Mafah hasn't even took a snap in the league, and is a 7th round pick. Like I said, Rico at this moment is better as an overall RB than the whole lot.

People who you have a different opinion than yourself you like to call delusional, ok, let's just see how this plays out. Delusional is hitching your wagon to 2 RBs who average 4.0 yards a carry or less, a career college RB2 who's a 5th round pick, and a 7th round pick, but I'm delusional? Lol. Say what you want, but Rico rushed for 1,000 yards behind a trash OL in the NFL. Let's see who runs for 1,000 behind a better OL and possibly a healthy QB1.
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I say you're dead wrong!!

was Tony Pollard just a third down running back ??because that's odd they literally on his franchise tag he played for us for $11 million he was our lead back, and then the Titans have him as his lead back, that is who Blue is or better, he has potential he has the same size weight and speed is Jamir Gibbs. Somehow you think Tony was 3rd down back, no and Blue is TP before he got his injury.

That that's his floor in my opinion is Pollard his ceiling is Gibbs of course he's not a 3 down power back of course he's not going to give you an extreme amount of snaps all year that is why you have a group of the other guys and I'm telling you right now I'm not delusional you're delusional i'm saying that our running back room right now is better than anything we've had the last 2 years you add in the improvements in offensive line a new scheme that's right rico is overrated it wasn't a trash online the O line was trashed earlier in the year rico Dowdle is an average jag at running back he's one of those guys you could give him enough carries he'll get you 1000 yards...

It's all the other things he doesn't have anything special to offer no big long runs no touchdowns he doesn't have a lot of moves you can get that from Mafa yes I mean really I mean that's who he was rico was an undrafted free agent he didn't even get a 7th round grade he didn't even get a 5th round grade do you not understand how ridiculous you sound that these guys that we just drafted or brought in can't be better than Rico, rico was those dudes lol

I mean so don't try to sit here and tell me how our old undrafted free agent that took four years to develop finally had 1000 yards and they were a very boring thousand yards , Yes Boring ohh year long literally no long runs nothing over 20 yards hardly had any wiggle not a lot of moves yes I like the guy but he's completely replaceable ,

somehow can't be replaced by a guy we picked up in Mafa or with Williams or or Sanders they are not washed you're not using them to run the damn football 600 carries this is going to be a true running back by committee just like San Francisco had other teams have they did it successfully I remember San Francisco three or four years ago they went to a Super Bowl with Garopollo at quarterback and a three headed monster at running back they shared it almost equally they all had over 500 yards each a couple more but I'm saying they were all over 500 each..

A running back by committee can work if it's done correctly it was not done correctly the last couple of years but it can you can take either two guys or a 3rd guy and you can mix them in at the right time against the right defense you use a game plan and your play calling and yes this could work I say 100 percent without a doubt are running backroom is the best it's been in a couple of years..
 
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