How important is OC Kellen Moore

[OmerV]

Probably had more to do with the Saints defense and their disguising coverages...

https://footballfilmroom.com/2019/10/03/saints-defense-stops-cowboys/

I don't mean to disparage the Saints defense - they had a good one, and they played well, But I disagree with the idea that was the biggest issue. Dak didn't even attempt a an intermediate distance pass until almost midway through the 3rd Quarter, and didn't attempt a single deep pass until the last 30 seconds of the game. The article says the Saints took away the short easy passes, but the reality is the short easy passes is what the Cowboys were completing. The problem was not completing anything that gained significant yardage, which is hard to do when only throwing short passes.

 

[glimmerman]

We will see. I think at first Moore calls the play to MM early enough and MM will call it to Dak or change it. Till MM gets comfy with Moore. Since MM always called his plays I can’t see him just letting Moore do it unchecked.

 

[charron]

I had a bigger problem with the play calling in the Saints game. After 3 weeks of a hugely successful offense they went ultra conservative in that game. My guess is that with Brees out Garrett decided the only way they would lose to the Saints is if they made a lot of mistakes, so he dictated that the game plan would be conservative to avoid mistakes. The problem was that it also avoided scoring by taking the team out of the offensive rhythm it was in.

heh I doubt it. No body plans to execute that poorly. Garrett helps with the game plan but that's about it other than when to go for it on 4th down. Moore calls the plays, if something isn't working Moore can change what he calls. Garrett was flat out told he is not allowed to call the plays. Heck Moore probaly didn't answer to Garrett, likely he answered to stephen.

 

[Whyjerry]

All depends on the HC. If MMis gonna run the offense, Moore won't be more than a secretary. If MM is gonna allow him to run with it, them he is VERY important. I would hope that MM let's him run with it while he retains right to change plays and or game plans.

That’s an A plus tee shirt.

 

[Whyjerry]

https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/202...s-coach-mike-mccarthy-mike-nolan-dak-prescott

Kellen Moore is the most important Cowboys coach

The offense may have to carry the team in the early going, and the second-year OC has to make that happen.

I would strongly argue he is the least important coach. McCarthy and Philbin are more than capable of running the offense. Moore is still an OC in training.

 

[OmerV]

a lot more often then the past targets..our RBs can be dangerous in the pass game and have been underutilized , when you see other Rbs being used like Cooks, Kamamra, and CM and praised because of their versality , yet zeke is every but the weapon and not used so now hes being downgraded by fans and that ridiculous..add Pollard now and we have been leaving many missed opportunity's on the field..

Zeke got 71 targets last year, and 95 the year before. I think it's going to be hard to get him significantly more targets with the WRs we have, especially if we are also trying to get significantly more targets for Pollard at the same time. If they can get about 110 targets between them that would probably be a solid number.

 

[75boyz]

He's very important as he is the next scapegoat in a long line of coaches who preceded him and we're blamed when we kicked Field goal after field goal.....

As much as I agree with ya on most all, I disagree this time.
It still doesn't sit right with me that Moore was kept.
This feels more like Jerry is keeping another coach in training and one of his hand selected guys just in case everything goes south under McCarthy's watch.
I think in 3 yrs Moore will be the head coach because I think they make the epic mistake of signing Prescott to a deal and then fire McCarthy after the team sucks for 2 years.
McCarthy is the actual scapegoat in my eyes and Moore is Garrett part II in waiting.
Just my .02.
I think this team heads seriously south of its 25 year mediocre standard just as soon as the ink dries on Prescott's deal.

You know what opinions are like...
Everybody's got one. Unfortunately mine is an extremely gloomy outlook for the next 3 years. Maybe I'm wrong, hope so. Lol

Go Cowboys

 

[OmerV]

heh I doubt it. No body plans to execute that poorly. Garrett helps with the game plan but that's about it other than when to go for it on 4th down. Moore calls the plays, if something isn't working Moore can change what he calls. Garrett was flat out told he is not allowed to call the plays. Heck Moore probaly didn't answer to Garrett, likely he answered to stephen.

Iol - well, I didn't say they planned to execute poorly - I'm sure they thought they could be conservative and execute well enough to win. And yes, as you and I both said, Moore is who calls the plays, but he does so within the confines of the agreed game plan. If the game plan is intended to be very conservative, and that's what the head coach signed off on, the play caller isn't going to go rogue and start throwing the ball all over the field. In the case of the Saints game, the Cowboys didn't even throw an intermediate pass route until almost halfway into the 3rd quarter, and didnt' throw a deep pass route until the last 30 seconds of the game.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

As much as I agree with ya on most all, I disagree this time.
It still doesn't sit right with me that Moore was kept.
This feels more like Jerry is keeping another coach in training and one of his hand selected guys just in case everything goes south under McCarthy's watch.
I think in 3 yrs Moore will be the head coach because I think they make the epic mistake of signing Prescott to a deal and then fire McCarthy after the team sucks for 2 years.
McCarthy is the actual scapegoat in my eyes and Moore is Garrett part II in waiting.
Just my .02.
I think this team heads seriously south of its 25 year mediocre standard just as soon as the ink dries on Prescott's deal.

You know what opinions are like...
Everybody's got one. Unfortunately mine is an extremely gloomy next 3 years. Maybe I'm wrong, hope so. Lol

Go Cowboys

Keeping Moore simply confirms that this was and still is Jerry's Team!
Big Mike can say YES YES YES all day long if needed as the money is massive!

 

[Buzzbait]

We've been told that Moore is a football genius...just like Garrett. We never saw Garrett's genius, hopefully we will see Moore's now.

Good point. I agree, I hope their "genius" talk about KM is more accurate than it was about Garrett. The only thing Garrett was genius about was passing the buck.

 

[OmerV]

Good point. I agree, I hope their "genius" talk about KM is more accurate than it was about Garrett. The only thing Garrett was genius about was passing the buck.

So, whoever Garrett passed the buck to was the right guy?

 

[khiladi]

I don't mean to disparage the Saints defense - they had a good one, and they played well, But I disagree with the idea that was the biggest issue. Dak didn't even attempt a an intermediate distance pass until almost midway through the 3rd Quarter, and didn't attempt a single deep pass until the last 30 seconds of the game. The article says the Saints took away the short easy passes, but the reality is the short easy passes is what the Cowboys were completing. The problem was not completing anything that gained significant yardage, which is hard to do when only throwing short passes.

That isn’t what the article said. The article said the Saints went about disguising man and zone effectively, so Dak didn’t know what he was looking at so Dak couldn’t adjust into the best play at the line of scrimmage. The article also said the Saints did a good job of taking away the short easy passes on THIRD down, including double-teaming Witten at times, meaning taking away his security blanket. They did that at times using three man rush with 2 DEEP coverage on third down.

 

[khiladi]

Keeping Moore simply confirms that this was and still is Jerry's Team!
Big Mike can say YES YES YES all day long if needed as the money is massive!

This is the most likely answer. Moore allows the Cowboys to maintain their Coryell offense, which is ultimately built on the running game. They aren’t changing their offensive terminology or philosophy, especially considering MM is a pass-happy WC play-caller. I don’t see Dak running a WC at all. His reads are too slow.

This is the same reason why Dallas went Linehan after experimenting with Callahan, after pulling the reigns from Garrett. Callahan was a West Coast guy and the direction he was going was outside the existing playbook. Jerry specifically said even though the offensive terminology is the same with Garrett, Linehan calls an offense completely different from Garrett.

Then Linehan became a scapegoat ultimately. Moore is Linehan’s ‘disciple’ as far as NFL career is concerned.

 

[Buzzbait]

heh I doubt it. No body plans to execute that poorly. Garrett helps with the game plan but that's about it other than when to go for it on 4th down. Moore calls the plays, if something isn't working Moore can change what he calls. Garrett was flat out told he is not allowed to call the plays. Heck Moore probaly didn't answer to Garrett, likely he answered to stephen.

Garrett was also flat out told he was no longer calling plays by Jerry, and that Bill Callahan would be calling the plays hence forth!
But guess what? Later it was admitted Garrett was secretly calling the plays and giving them to Callahan to pass on to the QB.
I don't believe for one minute that Garrett was totally uninvolved with KM's play calling any more than what took place with Bill Callahan.
Garrett wanted control of the play calling one way or another.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

This is the most likely answer. Moore allows the Cowboys to maintain their offense, which is ultimately built on the running game. They aren’t hanging their offensive terminology.

This is the same reason why Dallas went Linehan after experimenting with Callahan, after pulling the reigns from Garrett. Then Linehan became a scapegoat ultimately.

The guy behind the guy behind the guy behind the guy!
Moore is odds on favorite to be the next scapegoat and after that trust me they will find new coaches to sacrifice!
In the end, the buck STOPS at Jerry's office no matter who the coach is.
25 years of failure verify this!!!

 

[charron]

Iol - well, I didn't say they planned to execute poorly - I'm sure they thought they could be conservative and execute well enough to win. And yes, as you and I both said, Moore is who calls the plays, but he does so within the confines of the agreed game plan. If the game plan is intended to be very conservative, and that's what the head coach signed off on, the play caller isn't going to go rogue and start throwing the ball all over the field. In the case of the Saints game, the Cowboys didn't even throw an intermediate pass route until almost halfway into the 3rd quarter, and didnt' throw a deep pass route until the last 30 seconds of the game.

I just don't buy the narrative that in close games where we struggle offensively any coach is gonna say stick to what is not working. What was Jason gonna do? Can't fire him, can't discipline him, can't really do much. I have no problem with them coming up with the game plan but during the game the OC or play caller has got to use his gut instincts regardless what that plan is. Now that is something Garrett failed to do consistantly, making coaches adjust on the fly and if MM can help Moore do this then we have a chance at being good on the field and not just paper.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

This is the most likely answer. Moore allows the Cowboys to maintain their Coryell offense, which is ultimately built on the running game. They aren’t changing their offensive terminology or philosophy, especially considering MM is a pass-happy WC play-caller. I don’t see Dak running a WC at all. His reads are too slow.

This is the same reason why Dallas went Linehan after experimenting with Callahan, after pulling the reigns from Garrett. Callahan was a West Coast guy and the direction he was going was outside the existing playbook. Jerry specifically said even though the offensive terminology is the same with Garrett, Linehan calls an offense completely different from Garrett.

Then Linehan became a scapegoat ultimately. Moore is Linehan’s ‘disciple’ as far as NFL career is concerned.

If this is going to be the same offense with the same starting players then.....Thank God we got a good Field Goal kicker!!!!!

 

[khiladi]

The guy behind the guy behind the guy behind the guy!
Moore is odds on favorite to be the next scapegoat and after that trust me they will find new coach blood to sacrifice!
In the end, the buck STOPS at Jerry's office no matter who the coach is.
25 years of failure verify this!!!

The fact they benched Romo makes me believe Jerry lost it. Remember, they got rid of Dez, blaming him that Dak was forcing the ball to him and they didn’t need a number 1. Then they panicked after guys like Chris Carter were saying they should admit they made a mistake a bring Dez back. This was all part of the “Dak-friendly” offense.

the problem is, they knew they had a SB window with Romo which they closed. Now it’s back to square 1.

Jerry could have resolved this a long time ago by firing Garrett years ago and getting Romo a real HC and OC.

 

[Buzzbait]

So, whoever Garrett passed the buck to was the right guy?

Huh? Garrett always avoided accepting blame for anything by blaming everything on others. That's passing the buck.

 

[charron]

Garrett was also flat out told he was no longer calling plays by Jerry, and that Bill Callahan would be calling the plays hence forth!
But guess what? Later it was admitted Garrett was secretly calling the plays and giving them to Callahan to pass on to the QB.
I don't believe for one minute that Garrett was totally uninvolved with KM's play calling any more than what took place with Bill Callahan.

That is something i've never heard before. Can you post a link cause I couldn't find it and it sounds very suspect. There were many people writing their personal speculation regarding their power struggle with the offense but it doesn't make it true.