How important is the Center position?

[gtb1943]

Many Phil Costa stories. Dozens even. Costa still lasted 16 games in substandard fashion. Chaz Green had to be removed immediately or he would have single handedly tanked your entire season.

No one is arguing Center isn’t an important position. But we’re relating it to the Oline where it doesn’t even compare to the others.

Jason Kelce has stated multiple times center is the least important position on the Oline. The vast majority of passing plays the center is assisted by both the R or L guard. The players commonly double teamed are the 3-tech or the NT, and the center is one of the two that double them. Running plays the C almost always stands his ground unless you have a unique player like Kelce who is best running in open space. But even then, G’s and T’s have to pull far more often.

Physically, it’s not even close. The best C of his generation was 6’3, 290lbs. That guy would not be the same at G, you could never leave him on an island with a dominant DT; and would struggle to even make the team at T.

The highest paid LT is making 25m$ a year

The highest paid RT is making 28m$ a year

The highest paid LG is making 22m$ a year

The highest paid RG is making 21m$ a year

The highest paid C is making 13m$ a year


This isn’t some anomaly where 32 NFL franchises Don’t know what they’re doing with the salary cap and Cowboyszone has the secret to NFL success. Yes, calling out blitz pickups and adjusting play calls with the QB has relevance, but this isn’t something that can’t be taught to most intelligent human beings. How many times do you hear about a center who loses his starting job because he can’t figure out the playcalling system or he routinely misrecognizes blitzes?

The disparity in what is being argued is so enormous that I’m a bit baffled as to how people are rationalizing this argument.

I take Jimmy Johnson's word and Bill Parcells word over yours anyday.

 

[baltcowboy]

I think Beebe will shortly become everyone’s favorite player on the line. The kid is nasty. Between he and Tyler it’s going to be fun to watch.

Exactly. Beebe has the potential to be a dominant center. Especially with Martin and Tyler next to him. Center was the biggest weakness we had on offense last season. Teams would punish our center. Watch the tape. Tyler and Martin had to help out in the middle every play because nose tackles would blow up our offense.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

I take Jimmy Johnson's word and Bill Parcells word over yours anyday.

Yes, let’s run the team like it’s 1991 and see how that works out

 

[buybuydandavis]

TB is gone now.

But he was a good player us.

Great value for the draft pick.
A solidly average starter.

 

[gtb1943]

Yes, let’s run the team like it’s 1991 and see how that works out

getting desperate, Philthy Boy

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

getting desperate, Philthy Boy

It’s not even a point of who has more data or anecdotes or counter arguments.

You cited a comment made by a coach whose last relevant NFL season was over 30 years ago that directly contradicts the actions of 32 nfl owners, 32 nfl GM’s, and 32 current head coaches.

Your stance is that Andy Reid, who may be the most innovative offensive coach in modern nfl history… doesn’t know what he’s doing. Seemingly Every offseason he’s throwing first round picks and 20m$+ contracts trying to stabilize both tackles spots. Even before Creed Humphreys he wasn’t doing that at C

Bill Belichick never treated the position like that, he’s wrong. Tomlin is wrong and Shanahan is wrong and Mcvay is wrong and Carroll is wrong… all because your entire opinion isn’t based on anecdotes or data or any specific fundamental football element, but a quote you happened to run across on the internet.

The Running Back position is closer in relative value to the Wide receiver position than the Center position is to the Tackle position. The FS position is closer in relative value to the single best 3tech of all time than the center position is to the guard position. Sometimes when it seems like everyone else is wrong and you’re the only one who knows better… it may actually be the other way around.

 

[Buzzbait]

Jimmy Johnson once said that Center was the most important position on the O line. He makes all the calls and handles the ball on every play. Thats enough for me. I feel Beebe is gonna be a good one for quite awhile.

Far be it from me to argue with Jimmy Johnson.

 

[Buzzbait]

Yes, let’s run the team like it’s 1991 and see how that works out

I wish!!!

 

[Buzzbait]

Buzzbait said:
How many Phil Costa stories do you know?
After Phil Costa, Travis Frederick was literally a lifesaver for Tony Romo.

Romo had to blackmail Jerry to get him.

Now that you mention it, seems I recall hearing about that way back then.

 

[DanA]

In my opinion it really depends on the game plan and style of play. I think the Eagles have hugely benefited from having Kelce’s experience and technique.

He’s made it so much easier for Hurts to play QB and his high level of execution adds a lot to the Eagles having success with RPO’s, QB sneaks, screens plays etc. We’ve been bad at this stuff since Fredbeard.

Bebe looks like he’s got good size and pretty good blocking technique but I’m not sure about the intangibles that makes great Centers truely great.

 

[G2]

Linemen in general are grossly underrated, but fantasy football really has no room for it.

 

[gtb1943]

It’s not even a point of who has more data or anecdotes or counter arguments.

You cited a comment made by a coach whose last relevant NFL season was over 30 years ago that directly contradicts the actions of 32 nfl owners, 32 nfl GM’s, and 32 current head coaches.

Your stance is that Andy Reid, who may be the most innovative offensive coach in modern nfl history… doesn’t know what he’s doing. Seemingly Every offseason he’s throwing first round picks and 20m$+ contracts trying to stabilize both tackles spots. Even before Creed Humphreys he wasn’t doing that at C

Bill Belichick never treated the position like that, he’s wrong. Tomlin is wrong and Shanahan is wrong and Mcvay is wrong and Carroll is wrong… all because your entire opinion isn’t based on anecdotes or data or any specific fundamental football element, but a quote you happened to run across on the internet.

The Running Back position is closer in relative value to the Wide receiver position than the Center position is to the Tackle position. The FS position is closer in relative value to the single best 3tech of all time than the center position is to the guard position. Sometimes when it seems like everyone else is wrong and you’re the only one who knows better… it may actually be the other way around.

without a solid foundation, how can you build anything? the Center if a fundamental part of that foundation. Your attempts to claim otherwise is pretty sad.

And by the way BP was coaching until 2006 so that right there makes your other point worthless. Why don't you ask Andy Reid if he is willing to put a JAG at center?

 

[SuperBowlz]

Many Phil Costa stories. Dozens even. Costa still lasted 16 games in substandard fashion. Chaz Green had to be removed immediately or he would have single handedly tanked your entire season.

No one is arguing Center isn’t an important position. But we’re relating it to the Oline where it doesn’t even compare to the others.

Jason Kelce has stated multiple times center is the least important position on the Oline. The vast majority of passing plays the center is assisted by both the R or L guard. The players commonly double teamed are the 3-tech or the NT, and the center is one of the two that double them. Running plays the C almost always stands his ground unless you have a unique player like Kelce who is best running in open space. But even then, G’s and T’s have to pull far more often.

Physically, it’s not even close. The best C of his generation was 6’3, 290lbs. That guy would not be the same at G, you could never leave him on an island with a dominant DT; and would struggle to even make the team at T.

The highest paid LT is making 25m$ a year

The highest paid RT is making 28m$ a year

The highest paid LG is making 22m$ a year

The highest paid RG is making 21m$ a year

The highest paid C is making 13m$ a year


This isn’t some anomaly where 32 NFL franchises Don’t know what they’re doing with the salary cap and Cowboyszone has the secret to NFL success. Yes, calling out blitz pickups and adjusting play calls with the QB has relevance, but this isn’t something that can’t be taught to most intelligent human beings. How many times do you hear about a center who loses his starting job because he can’t figure out the playcalling system or he routinely misrecognizes blitzes?

The disparity in what is being argued is so enormous that I’m a bit baffled as to how people are rationalizing this argument.

I'm totally with you. I've started to think it's because the common man can relate to a C more than some athletic and physical freak. I don't know i'm just guessing. I love how you broke this down. My point was... a Center hasn't been drafted in the top 10 in 50 freaking years. That should tell you how important teams think they are as compared to other positions. As you said, Centers are important but it's not close to the big 5 (QB, LT, DE, WR1, CB1)

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

without a solid foundation, how can you build anything? the Center if a fundamental part of that foundation. Your attempts to claim otherwise is pretty sad.

And by the way BP was coaching until 2006 so that right there makes your other point worthless. Why don't you ask Andy Reid if he is willing to put a JAG at center?

No one is claiming C isn’t fundamental to foundation. You’re using hyperbolisms to spin the argument.

The only way what you’re saying is correct is if you feel LT is not part of a solid foundation. See how that spin works?

 

[gtb1943]

No one is claiming C isn’t fundamental to foundation. You’re using hyperbolisms to spin the argument.

The only way what you’re saying is correct is if you feel LT is not part of a solid foundation. See how that spin works?

Well I guess you really are a Philthy fan in all ways. Show me where I said LT is not important. Come on.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

Well I guess you really are a Philthy fan in all ways. Show me where I said LT is not important. Come on.

I was making a point on how off your rebuttal is. You said LT is not important in the same way I said C was not important.

ie. You didn’t.

 

[kskboys]

Buzzbait said:
How many Phil Costa stories do you know?
After Phil Costa, Travis Frederick was literally a lifesaver for Tony Romo.

Now that you mention it, seems I recall hearing about that way back then.

Yes, it was a known fact. Jerry desperately needed cap room(as usual), and asked Romo to redo contract. Romo agreed, but only under the condition that Jerry took an OL in the 1st. Romo also had to agree to spend more time at the facility.

 

[kskboys]

I'm totally with you. I've started to think it's because the common man can relate to a C more than some athletic and physical freak. I don't know i'm just guessing. I love how you broke this down. My point was... a Center hasn't been drafted in the top 10 in 50 freaking years. That should tell you how important teams think they are as compared to other positions. As you said, Centers are important but it's not close to the big 5 (QB, LT, DE, WR1, CB1)

Pssssssssssssssssssssssssssst. C's are easier to find.

And already addressed, no reason to repeat repeat repeat the same reasoning tool that has already been torn down.

 

[gtb1943]

Yes, it was a known fact. Jerry desperately needed cap room(as usual), and asked Romo to redo contract. Romo agreed, but only under the condition that Jerry took an OL in the 1st. Romo also had to agree to spend more time at the facility.

Which was a joke since romo was a film rat all the time anyway

 

[kskboys]

Which was a joke since romo was a film rat all the time anyway

Not before then.