How long will it take to put this defense together?

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The front office is going to need to dedicate the next 2-3 drafts towards building this defense.

The keys that help us

1. Getting lucky with free agents. Henry Melton and Rolando McClain probably bring the timetable up two whole years. Theyre basically first round quality players.

2. Hitting on Anthony Hitchens and Tyrone Crawford. I was skeptical that Crawford would find a role in this defense because they kept moving him around. With an entire offseason dedicated towards being a defensive tackle, I think he is going to flourish next year. Anthony Hitchens has been a pleasant surprise, and he will thrive as the strong side linebacker next year next to Lee and McClain.

3. Marinelli seems to be able to really develop people and get the best out of them.

The keys that hurt us

1. Sean Lee not being able to stay healthy. With Lee and McClain together, we'll have two of the best linebackers in the NFL on the field at once. That is going to take our defense to the next level, but that can only happen if Lee can stay healthy, something he hasn't been able to do at all. I hope the staff take things easy with him AND McClain next offseason.

2. Missing on draft picks. Missing on Claiborne and Carter really hurts this team. These two picks probably set us back as much as signing Melton and McClain brought us forward.

3. Overpaying Brandon Carr. This definitely sets us back, and will continue to set us back. The damage done by paying him so much might have been worse than the Claiborne pick.

4. Drafting Gavin Escobar, Joseph Randle, and Devin Street. These were picks that probably could have helped the defense a lot more than theyve helped the offense. The defense desperately needs better depth and better starters, and were still drafting guys who cant get playing time on the offense. I was excited about drafting Escobar, and still think he is a hell of a player, but if they cant commit to using these guys, help the defense instead.

The in between

1. Dead Money. We've got about 20 million dollars in dead money from the defense alone this year.

To put that into perspective, our defensive salary this year is about 35 million dollars....

Why didn't I put this in the bad category? Well it certainly is bad, but the silver lining here is that the dead money for next year is only 7.8 million dollars and thats pretty much all offense from Austin and Orton. I expect Carr to add towards that, but maybe something could be worked out. I think it would be best for him to drop down to 2 million in base salary for 2015 and 2016. This would get us back 13 million dollars, and Id rather have him at 2 million than to cut him and take the full impact of his dead money, and still have to upgrade and replace him. Id rather save the money, and demote him down one or two spots.

Glaring needs

Defensive End. Maybe Lawrence can be a full time starter (Within the rotation) next year, but if Mincey is starting, its not a good thing for us. Mincey should be a depth player, not our best defensive end. The goal here should be to push Mincey into a depth role or even better off the roster by adding players who are better than he is. Sevlie should definitely be gone, and so should Spencer. We need a first or second round draft pick here. Preferably a 1st. The problem is the deeper we go into the playoffs, the more difficult it will be to get an impact player here.

Which brings me to the next thing

Cornerback. I like Sterling Moore, but the guy is a 4th corner. Next year I would like to see this

CB1 - Draft/Free Agency
CB2 - Orlando Scandrick
CB3 - Brandon Carr
CB4 - Sterling Moore
CB5 - Morris Claiborne

In 2016

CB1 - Draft/Free Agency
CB2 - Draft/Free Agency
CB3 - Orlando Scandrick
CB4 - Brandon Carr
CB5 - Sterling Moore

Over the course of the next two drafts we'll have

Two first round draft picks, two second round draft picks, and two third round draft picks.

That is six "Day 1" picks.

We need to come away with two corners, two or three defensive linemen, a right tackle, and a WR if we only need two defensive linemen.

It'll be difficult to maneuver in free agency with the players we already need to sign. And focusing so much on our defense will make things very difficult for our offense soon, but we really have no choice.

I still hope this defense can improve this year, I was hoping with all these players coming back on the defensive line they'd get better, but our secondary seems to have regressed in the meantime. It'll be a challenge to balance resources towards the front end and the back end going forward, but that will be the key to turning this defense around. I have to have faith that Marinelli knows what this defense needs, and will be in position to get whatever he needs going forward. I am dismayed that more effort wasn't put in over the last two years to get this defense to improve.

Edit, Mod can you fix the title for me
 

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You're right that getting Rolando McClain and Henry Melton, along with hitting on Crawford and Hitchens (@youknowwho) has really sped things up on the defensive re-build.

I think it can be much faster than anyone really thinks if: 1. Dallas hits on DeMarcus Lawrence, and 2. they hit on a couple of picks next year.

I still feel like they should get a really athletic weakside DE and move Lawrence over on the strongside. Lawrence is strong enough to play there and his speed would be exceptional for a strongside end. It is just average for a WDE.

So if:
*They resign Melton and McClain
*They could hit on a WDE
*Hit on another draft pick (maybe CB)
*Move Lawrence to SDE
*Have Crawford and Hitchens continue to improve
*Get Sean Lee back healthy
*And Wilcox and Church continue to improve as safeties

Along with what they already have, it could become a really good defense as soon as next season IMO.

They also need to resign Marinelli BTW.
 

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they should have drafted bennie logan instead of escobar. that would have helped.
 

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It would be nice if Wilcox pans out because finding a good safety in the draft requires a 1st or 2nd round pick. If he does then we can use those premium picks towards a pass rusher, cornerback, or a running back if we can't resign Murray.
 

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Much of the CB issue is we drafted and signed them based on their strengths in one scheme but now they are square pegs in round holes. We need to sign a proven corner that fits what they want to do in the defense, if they want to run primarily zone then find a good zone guy with decent man skills. I think it will take at least two years to address CB. Roll with Scandrick and draft or sign a zone guy with some man skills and at least half the CB issue is resolved and you can run man/zone schemes. I also believe they need to draft a DE/DT/WLB/and true FS.
 

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The front office is going to need to dedicate the next 2-3 drafts towards building this defense.

The keys that help us

1. Getting lucky with free agents. Henry Melton and Rolando McClain probably bring the timetable up two whole years. Theyre basically first round quality players.

2. Hitting on Anthony Hitchens and Tyrone Crawford. I was skeptical that Crawford would find a role in this defense because they kept moving him around. With an entire offseason dedicated towards being a defensive tackle, I think he is going to flourish next year. Anthony Hitchens has been a pleasant surprise, and he will thrive as the strong side linebacker next year next to Lee and McClain.

3. Marinelli seems to be able to really develop people and get the best out of them.

The keys that hurt us

1. Sean Lee not being able to stay healthy. With Lee and McClain together, we'll have two of the best linebackers in the NFL on the field at once. That is going to take our defense to the next level, but that can only happen if Lee can stay healthy, something he hasn't been able to do at all. I hope the staff take things easy with him AND McClain next offseason.

2. Missing on draft picks. Missing on Claiborne and Carter really hurts this team. These two picks probably set us back as much as signing Melton and McClain brought us forward.

3. Overpaying Brandon Carr. This definitely sets us back, and will continue to set us back. The damage done by paying him so much might have been worse than the Claiborne pick.

4. Drafting Gavin Escobar, Joseph Randle, and Devin Street. These were picks that probably could have helped the defense a lot more than theyve helped the offense. The defense desperately needs better depth and better starters, and were still drafting guys who cant get playing time on the offense. I was excited about drafting Escobar, and still think he is a hell of a player, but if they cant commit to using these guys, help the defense instead.

The in between

1. Dead Money. We've got about 20 million dollars in dead money from the defense alone this year.

To put that into perspective, our defensive salary this year is about 35 million dollars....

Why didn't I put this in the bad category? Well it certainly is bad, but the silver lining here is that the dead money for next year is only 7.8 million dollars and thats pretty much all offense from Austin and Orton. I expect Carr to add towards that, but maybe something could be worked out. I think it would be best for him to drop down to 2 million in base salary for 2015 and 2016. This would get us back 13 million dollars, and Id rather have him at 2 million than to cut him and take the full impact of his dead money, and still have to upgrade and replace him. Id rather save the money, and demote him down one or two spots.

Glaring needs

Defensive End. Maybe Lawrence can be a full time starter (Within the rotation) next year, but if Mincey is starting, its not a good thing for us. Mincey should be a depth player, not our best defensive end. The goal here should be to push Mincey into a depth role or even better off the roster by adding players who are better than he is. Sevlie should definitely be gone, and so should Spencer. We need a first or second round draft pick here. Preferably a 1st. The problem is the deeper we go into the playoffs, the more difficult it will be to get an impact player here.

Which brings me to the next thing

Cornerback. I like Sterling Moore, but the guy is a 4th corner. Next year I would like to see this

CB1 - Draft/Free Agency
CB2 - Orlando Scandrick
CB3 - Brandon Carr
CB4 - Sterling Moore
CB5 - Morris Claiborne

In 2016

CB1 - Draft/Free Agency
CB2 - Draft/Free Agency
CB3 - Orlando Scandrick
CB4 - Brandon Carr
CB5 - Sterling Moore

Over the course of the next two drafts we'll have

Two first round draft picks, two second round draft picks, and two third round draft picks.

That is six "Day 1" picks.

We need to come away with two corners, two or three defensive linemen, a right tackle, and a WR if we only need two defensive linemen.

It'll be difficult to maneuver in free agency with the players we already need to sign. And focusing so much on our defense will make things very difficult for our offense soon, but we really have no choice.

I still hope this defense can improve this year, I was hoping with all these players coming back on the defensive line they'd get better, but our secondary seems to have regressed in the meantime. It'll be a challenge to balance resources towards the front end and the back end going forward, but that will be the key to turning this defense around. I have to have faith that Marinelli knows what this defense needs, and will be in position to get whatever he needs going forward. I am dismayed that more effort wasn't put in over the last two years to get this defense to improve.

Edit, Mod can you fix the title for me

They can "fix" it this off-season if they make the right choices.

They need a free agent CB more than anything, IMO. It would be easier to work a draft pick in on the DL than to depend on a draft pick at CB.

Mincey is better than Selvie or Spencer. Just move him to LDE and start DLaw at RDE with a speed rushing draft pick behind DLaw.

It would really help if Brent could get back to his 2012 form and upgrade the 1-tech DT spot.

If Melton and RoMc return, then they should be in good shape with the rest of the defense.
 

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Much of the CB issue is we drafted and signed them based on their strengths in one scheme but now they are square pegs in round holes. We need to sign a proven corner that fits what they want to do in the defense, if they want to run primarily zone then find a good zone guy with decent man skills. I think it will take at least two years to address CB. Roll with Scandrick and draft or sign a zone guy with some man skills and at least half the CB issue is resolved and you can run man/zone schemes. I also believe they need to draft a DE/DT/WLB/and true FS.
Brandon Flowers will be a free agent.

6/24/2014: Signed a one-year, $3 million contract. The deal included a $1.5 million signing bonus. Another $2 million is available through incentives. 2014: $1.5 million, 2015: Free Agent

Flowers is in the midst of a nice bounce-back season, grading out as Pro Football Focus' No. 1 corner through the season's first eight weeks. Oct 30 - 2:27 PM
 

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They can "fix" it this off-season if they make the right choices.

They need a free agent CB more than anything, IMO. It would be easier to work a draft pick in on the DL than to depend on a draft pick at CB.

Mincey is better than Selvie or Spencer. Just move him to LDE and start DLaw at RDE with a speed rushing draft pick behind DLaw.

It would really help if Brent could get back to his 2012 form and upgrade the 1-tech DT spot.

If Melton and RoMc return, then they should be in good shape with the rest of the defense.

I wonder if we'll sign Tillman to a 2 or 3 year deal next year. I wouldn't be surprised if that happens. He's a free agent, he loves Rod Marinelli to death, and he is a free agent next year on a team that is in decline.
 

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I wonder if we'll sign Tillman to a 2 or 3 year deal next year. I wouldn't be surprised if that happens. He's a free agent, he loves Rod Marinelli to death, and he is a free agent next year on a team that is in decline.

Little worried he has had two injuries to the same arm.
 

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Little worried he has had two injuries to the same arm.

The guy is a baller and I don't think he would break the bank. Could be a situation not unlike Melton, where because of the injuries we can get a really good deal on his contract. He's already said he wants to play for Marinelli again.

I think he would be a perfect fit, and he wouldn't prevent us from drafting a cornerback either. He could save us a year.
 

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It would be nice if Wilcox pans out because finding a good safety in the draft requires a 1st or 2nd round pick. If he does then we can use those premium picks towards a pass rusher, cornerback, or a running back if we can't resign Murray.

Wilcox has improved by leaps and bounds this year. I think he is going to be a pretty good safety.
 

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The guy is a baller and I don't think he would break the bank. Could be a situation not unlike Melton, where because of the injuries we can get a really good deal on his contract. He's already said he wants to play for Marinelli again.

I think he would be a perfect fit, and he wouldn't prevent us from drafting a cornerback either. He could save us a year.

IMO, you only do that if it is an incentive based contract and you aren't counting on him for much of anything.

As long as we brought him in with the coaches not planning on him being able to play and anything he did was a bonus.

Having said all of that, I don't think it is going to happen. This team does not like age. They don't want to pay it and they certainly don't want to bring it in to the team. They don't like stop-gaps and has been's. I couldn't be happier about it either.
 

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They can "fix" it this off-season if they make the right choices.
I think you are spot on. We might not be able to fill every hole but we can fill enough to greatly impact our defense enough to make a big difference. You mentioned something...Would love to see Brandon Flowers (or any quality CB for that matter) replace Carr.
 

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I can't see it taking 2 to 3 drafts. With a few more FA's and a defensive heavy draft, this defense will improve much faster than some may think. Looked how it has improved this year, with a bunch of players people were ridiculing in the off season. Now it may take 2 years to be an elite, top 5 defense. But I feel we can get to a top 12 next year easily.
 

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I am not convinced Carter is a bust yet. He was a beast two years ago. Claiborne? Now there's a bust.
 

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IMO, you only do that if it is an incentive based contract and you aren't counting on him for much of anything.

As long as we brought him in with the coaches not planning on him being able to play and anything he did was a bonus.

Having said all of that, I don't think it is going to happen. This team does not like age. They don't want to pay it and they certainly don't want to bring it in to the team. They don't like stop-gaps and has been's. I couldn't be happier about it either.

The team is trying to get younger, but that doesn't mean they don't sign veterans who fit their system. They brought back Spencer for that very reason.
 

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Thought we had to have a WDE and still think we need another but now I think we need a SDE. Haven't seen any All 22 this year but I've been disappointed in Spencer's play at times. And I don't see it as pathetic yada. Haven't seen enough of Lawrence.

Need to sort out the LBers although they may all be here. I like Durant, Lee, and Ro who are NFL quality players. Hitchens is someone to watch.

CB is where we need help IMO. I've always said Carr was too slow and not athletic enough.
 

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I am not convinced Carter is a bust yet. He was a beast two years ago. Claiborne? Now there's a bust.

Carter might not be a complete bust yet, but I don't think he has a future in Dallas. I'd love to be wrong about that though.
 

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The team is trying to get younger, but that doesn't mean they don't sign veterans who fit their system. They brought back Spencer for that very reason.

I don't know... to me Spencer isn't quite the same thing. He was a good player for Dallas who was coming off of injury and was willing to take a very small incentive based contract... the "for Dallas" part is the key IMO.

I mean, I'm not ruling it out, I just don't see it as very likely. Just go back and look at all of the older players they've signed in free agency. Without looking it up, Spencer could be the only one that could even fit that description... and he's still younger than Tillman by a stretch.
 
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