How Much of a Need is RB?

[Biggems]

if we can get Chris Henry in the 5th round, I say we jump on him....

My last mock said take him in the 4th.....but I would rather go after ILB Zak DeOssie in the 4th....I just feel like James is a moron......I want an intelligent ILB...and since DeOssie grew up with football, his dad playing LB in the NFL, Zak going to Brown and being a scholar athlete.....I feel he fits the bill as to what I am looking for.

I just hope he lasts till the 4th round...we may have to nab him in the 3rd and hope Robison falls to the 4th.

 

[dallasfaniac]

when jones was getting 20+ carries he was gaining over 100 yards and having good games... yet you are saying he was breaking down as the season progressed he got less and less carries and got less and less yards

Ding Ding Ding

Funny how his stats and averages went down when Parcells purposely limited Jones' carries.

 

[Seven]

Thats not logical thats anecdotal. And the running game was horrible the second half of the season last season and Jones wasnt seeing holes that people were commenting on after each game while shying from contact.

Logic goes something like this:

For the first 8 weeks of the season Jones averaged 88 yards a game and accrued 145 carries. for the remainder of the season Jones averaged 58 yards per game a drop of 30 yards or a drop of 34%. This includes the Seattle playoff game. His avearge for the rmainder of the regualr season was 52 yards a game. Throughout the season the offensive line remained the same with starters Adams, Kosier, Gurode, Rivera and Columbo. if the offensive line was constant then there must be a different explanation for the decrease in production.

it is my hypothesis that Jones' effectiveness diminshes signifcantly after 150 carries and should be limited to around 10 carries a game.

Im not saying that it is a huge need nor am i bashing Julius. I think he like many others was missused last season but after guard and FS IMO RB ranks third on our team needs.

Opposing defenses..maybe. Who'd we play? How did they play us? Do you think they figured out that BP like to run first pass second? Could they have been trying to then stop the run and force us to pass? Your logic is useless stats.

 

[Seven]

So...uhh...why didn't Barber get any of this bad coaching?

Objection. 2 completely different running styles. Irrevelant your honor.

 

[SkinsandTerps]

Just curious why you think a FA RB is an unproven commodity as opposed to a guy who has never taken an NFL snap ?

I disagree.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

when jones was getting 20+ carries he was gaining over 100 yards and having good games... yet you are saying he was breaking down as the season progressed he got less and less carries and got less and less yards

After he got 150 carries his production went down. That doesnt mean that if you only gave him 10 carries a game after that he would suddenly not be dinged anymore.

Are you seriously trying to say that Jones is the type of bruiser that requires more carries a game to be successful? He is not a bruiser.

That 'run into the olineman in the pile because he wont hit me' technique he ws using after week 8 just wasnt working.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Just curious why you think a FA RB is an unproven commodity as opposed to a guy who has never taken an NFL snap ?

I disagree.

Because RBs that have more than 5 years of NFL wear have a HORRIBLE injury record. No NFL player is unrestricted until they play at least 4 years. Its a bad investment because of injury.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Opposing defenses..maybe. Who'd we play? How did they play us? Do you think they figured out that BP like to run first pass second? Could they have been trying to then stop the run and force us to pass? Your logic is useless stats.

Care to give any examples of how this was the case? What defense made what adjustments and caused Jones to stop cutting like he cant see and start running into his own linemen?

And which part of my chain is useless because i would love to see you actually refute any of it specifically. I mean you dont actually refute the end claim that it wasnt the oline that caused the drop in production you actually gave examples to bolster the argument.

 

[SkinsandTerps]

Because RBs that have more than 5 years of NFL wear have a HORRIBLE injury record. No NFL player is unrestricted until they play at least 4 years. Its a bad investment because of injury.

Didnt seem like Priest Holmes was a bad acquisition as a veteran RB.


I am not saying that you pay a guy like Fred Taylor big bucks as a FA (He isnt but just saying). I am saying guys like Curtis Martin, and Marshall Faulk were certainly very good pick ups for the Jets and Rams respectively.

And because a guy has been in the NFL for 4 years doesnt mean he is a battered RB. Take a look at the Commanders RBs. Both top back ups have very little game experience based on per season, but both prove they can play when given the shot. Now if only Portis could stop getting the freakin' shoulder injuries.

 

[diehard2294]

Not a need at all. JJ did what BP asked him to do. This year, he has a new lease on life.

I agree,but I am worried he wont regain his rookie form

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Didnt seem like Priest Holmes was a bad acquisition as a veteran RB.


I am not saying that you pay a guy like Fred Taylor big bucks as a FA (He isnt but just saying). I am saying guys like Curtis Martin, and Marshall Faulk were certainly very good pick ups for the Jets and Rams respectively.

And because a guy has been in the NFL for 4 years doesnt mean he is a battered RB. Take a look at the Commanders RBs. Both top back ups have very little game experience based on per season, but both prove they can play when given the shot. Now if only Portis could stop getting the freakin' shoulder injuries.

Look no farther than Portis to understand what i am talking about. Holmes went from allpro to the world of injury list in one season. Terrell Davis, Christian Okoye, Earl Campbell, Jamal Anderson, and a whole slew of others are all examples of great running backs who just disappeared after one season.

Combine that with a history of backs coming out of college and contributing immediately and it is a good investment. Malroney from last year, JJ Arrington the year before that, and Steven Jackson they year before that are all great examples of this.

If it makes you feel better the odds are that Portis will only get injured more frequently as this goes on. Last year was his fifth year in the league.

 

[Seven]

Care to give any examples of how this was the case? What defense made what adjustments and caused Jones to stop cutting like he cant see and start running into his own linemen?

You KNOW I can't do that and that's exactly why I was asking you the same thing. You can't discard my opinion with stats that are so full of holes mice would be fooled. Point of my post.

Cutting like he can't see......... Care to give any examples?

And which part of my chain is useless because i would love to see you actually refute any of it specifically. I mean you dont actually refute the end claim that it wasnt the oline that caused the drop in production you actually gave examples to bolster the argument.

Ummm, I think I did that with my questions. What examples bolstered your argument? I said your 34% stat sucked, left out some key varibles and I used some examples. Now you want me to cut/paste/ splice some vid for the sake of some crappy half baked stats that are basically useless?

Where the hell did I mention the O-line? That was thee furthest thing from my mind.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You KNOW I can't do that and that's exactly why I was asking you the same thing. You can't discard my opinion with stats that are so full of holes mice would be fooled. Point of my post.

Cutting like he can't see......... Care to give any examples?


Ummm, I think I did that with my questions. What examples bolstered your argument? I said your 34% stat sucked, left out some key varibles and I used some examples. Now you want me to cut/paste/ splice some vid for the sake of some crappy half baked stats that are basically useless?

Where the hell did I mention the O-line? That was thee furthest thing from my mind.

I hate talking to people that have difficulty comprehending simple things.

My logical conclusion was that the offensive line was not the source of the decline. Your alternate scenariosdo nothing other than support this.

Now what you are trying to refute is my hypothesis. What you are too ignorant to understand was that the stats i gave have nothing to do with the hypothesis.

As for Jones running into piles, if you dont know what i am talking about then you just werent watching the games. If you dont believe me i could really care less.

 

[Seven]

Blah, blah-blah, blah. Blah. BBBBLLLLAAAHHHHH............

As for Jones running into piles, if you dont know what i am talking about then you just werent watching the games. If you dont believe me i could really care less.

Figures.


Your theory SUCKS. Refute that, pompus Sleestack.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Figures.


Your theory SUCKS. Refute that, pompus Sleestack.

I may be pedantic but you are clueless. Like i said a person like you not believing actually heartens me.

i bet you still dont understand how what you were saying didnt even apply.

 

[Seven]

I may be pedantic but you are clueless. Like i said a person like you not believing actually heartens me.

i bet you still dont understand how what you were saying didnt even apply.

True? Well, I could read a book. You'll be needing some major voltage twice a week. Maybe more.

I see my rebuttal in direct response to the bolden portion of YOUR statement concerning JJ's "decrease" in production. I said BS, nicely, you said the blah blah part.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

True? Well, I could read a book. You'll be needing some major voltage twice a week. Maybe more.

I see my rebuttal in direct response to the bolden portion of YOUR statement concerning JJ's "decrease" in production. I said BS, nicely, you said the blah blah part.

Yeah just like i thouhgt you still dont understand.

The statement that you bolded was how I said the offensive line could not be the cause and that it must be something else.

All those examples/questions were just things other than the offensive line. You supported my argument.

Feel free to have the last word as the old proverb says arguing with an idiot only makes you look like one yourself.

 

[Rack]

Give Barber 80% of the carries and go from there. If he lasts a season we're set. If he doesn't, draft a guy next year.

Not a bad idea.

So...uhh...why didn't Barber get any of this bad coaching?

GOod question. BP must of just hated JuJo or something.

Opposing defenses..maybe. Who'd we play? How did they play us? Do you think they figured out that BP like to run first pass second? Could they have been trying to then stop the run and force us to pass? Your logic is useless stats.

Your post is useless crap.

Objection. 2 completely different running styles. Irrevelant your honor.

It can't POSSIBLY be that maybe, JUST MAYBE, JuJo isn't this "Great" back everyone seems to think he is and that he NEVER was this great back.

Fact: He's a streaky runner. He'll have a huge game every now and then but he lacks consistency. You know there ARE players like that... yes, even ones that play for the cowboys.



And anyone that couldn't see JuJo running into piles simply didn't watch the games or don't know wtH they're talking about.

 

[Zen]

The running did suffer from a bad Oline. JJ and mb3 are better backs then their output. Romo just adds more to the oline by running around then Deadsloe.

 

[burmafrd]

Gee and when JJ ran 190 times over 7 games he was still running well as a rookie. BP was so worried about JJ breaking down that he limited his carries. the same BP that was always ranting about negative plays. He got into JJ's head and messed him up. was so intimidated by BP that he just shut down and ran where the play was directed no matter what. I hope Wade and Garret and company tell him to just go with his instincts like he did as a rookie. we shall see what happens. But this garbage about him dropping in production because he was breaking down? One of the DUMBEST things posted here lately. His production went down because his CARRIES went down. Just how hard is that to understand? Add to that he was not getting draws called- where he is arguably best- since he was rarely in on 3rd downs and for some reason they did not call it on first and second downs. those are great carries to pad a RBs average and production.