How Much of a Need is RB?

[4lifecowboy]

So...uhh...why didn't Barber get any of this bad coaching?

The question should be why didn't he get more carries. I recall Parcell saying Barber still needed to learn to trust his blockers, all the while complementing Jones on his improved ability to do that. And go back and watch the Seattle game he was on a tear before the confrontation with the LB.

Barber is a stud and we should consider ourselves lucky to have to good young backs, but I firmly believe JJ's A game trumps Barber's and with some some of the comments Parcell's made its hard not to put the blame for the drop in production on his philosophy.

 

[superpunk]

So...uhh...why didn't Barber get any of this bad coaching?

Barber's a rebel.

And he doesn't need excuses for his play last year. Once he drops off this year, though, I'm hitting the "Wade ruined him" bandwagon hard and heavy. Seats are limited. Get yours now. Wade's classic "fall down" tactic is well documented for NFL RBs. It's a little known fact that Wade and Troy Hambrick used to be neighbors.

 

[Doomsday101]

Julius Jones is not a feature back. He came out on fire last season and as the season wore on he wore down and ended witha whimper. The message is clear limit his carries and he is effective.

Barber is a beast and without question deserves a shot at being featured but with his running style he is going to be prone to injury.

Tyson Thompson never proved anything really before he was hurt and now who knows with him.

How much do you guys think we need a running back? is Barber/Jones going to be enough?

So with all that being said i would absolutely love to see us draft a RB on the first day. FA RBs are an unsure thing but historically RBs have the highest rate of coming in and contributing immediately as rookies. Are there any good backs that might still be tehre at 22?

I don't think Dallas will look at RB this draft however I think this could be a make or break year for Jones. He has done a decent job but this team needs more than what Jones has shown thus far.

 

[Yeagermeister]

IMHO Julius was overcoached in the sense Parcells asked him to bulk up too much and he lost some of his speed. Put a good oline in front of him and let's see what he can do.

 

[DanTanna]

Thompson should be used alot more IMO. If you are going to miss the hole(JJ), you might as well do it with a back that is bigger and faster. Thompson is Willie Parker w/o the playing time. I like JJ when he is on and not scared of fumbling.

 

[zeromaster]

Julius Jones is not a feature back. He came out on fire last season and as the season wore on he wore down and ended witha whimper. The message is clear limit his carries and he is effective.

Barber is a beast and without question deserves a shot at being featured but with his running style he is going to be prone to injury.

Tyson Thompson never proved anything really before he was hurt and now who knows with him.

How much do you guys think we need a running back? is Barber/Jones going to be enough?

So with all that being said i would absolutely love to see us draft a RB on the first day. FA RBs are an unsure thing but historically RBs have the highest rate of coming in and contributing immediately as rookies. Are there any good backs that might still be tehre at 22?

We have greater needs than RB in round 1 (DE, OL, possibly CB/FS), but hey, there's always Madden. Explain your position all you want but it's doubtful Jones and Ireland will take any direction from this board. The longer it goes on, the more the likelihood this thread was started to get you attention; it worked, so be content.

Fortunately we won't be seeing you in the war room. Get a cheap TV to destroy and save it for draft day.

 

[theogt]

Barber's a rebel.

And he doesn't need excuses for his play last year. Once he drops off this year, though, I'm hitting the "Wade ruined him" bandwagon hard and heavy. Seats are limited. Get yours now. Wade's classic "fall down" tactic is well documented for NFL RBs. It's a little known fact that Wade and Troy Hambrick used to be neighbors.

GROW? GROP?

 

[superpunk]

GROW? GROP?

No stupid clubs. They give you a one-track mind, so that eventually, you're attributing AIDs and Fasano's blocking struggles to Wade Phillips' penchant for Krispy Kremes.

It gets out of hand and lame quickly.

 

[theogt]

No stupid clubs. They give you a one-track mind, so that eventually, you're attributing AIDs and Fasano's blocking struggles to Wade Phillips' penchant for Krispy Kremes.

It gets out of hand and lame quickly.

I'm not sure getting rid of clubs will keep people from being stupid.

 

[superpunk]

I'm not sure getting rid of clubs will keep people from being stupid.

I've got some pieces of flair I'd like them to wear.

So that I may know them by their flair....for....identification purposes.

 

[Seven]

Not a bad idea.



GOod question. BP must of just hated JuJo or something.



Your post is useless crap.






It can't POSSIBLY be that maybe, JUST MAYBE, JuJo isn't this "Great" back everyone seems to think he is and that he NEVER was this great back.

Fact: He's a streaky runner. He'll have a huge game every now and then but he lacks consistency. You know there ARE players like that... yes, even ones that play for the cowboys.



And anyone that couldn't see JuJo running into piles simply didn't watch the games or don't know wtH they're talking about.

Nice. I love your elaborate style. Post stuff=means nothing.

I didn't say JJ was the next coming of Walter Payton. Thanks a ton for just ***-uming that.

Thanks for your fact, we all know that makes it law. Lets just not attribute it to defenses, a wonderful OL and oh yeah, Petitti and Rivera alone could be part of the equation. FACT.

Just for the assumers out there......I'm not defending JJ but merely pointing out that those stats are useless. Just like the above quoted post.

 

[theogt]

I've got some pieces of flair I'd like them to wear.

So that I may know them by their flair....for....identification purposes.

Maybe they could stick a button under their moniker which says "Zone Dunce" instead of "Zone Supporter."

Personally I think the silent ban thing is hilarious.

 

[Seven]

IMHO Julius was overcoached in the sense Parcells asked him to bulk up too much and he lost some of his speed. Put a good oline in front of him and let's see what he can do.

No, he runs into piles. Piles that are NOT created by th OL. It's obvious that his rookie year with both Flozell and Allen he had a decent year INCLUDING the Injury misse months. Now we've got a 34% decrease because he can't handle 30 plus carries. Like he didn't break a team record with carries 2 years into his services.

 

[Rack]

Barber's a rebel.

And he doesn't need excuses for his play last year. Once he drops off this year, though, I'm hitting the "Wade ruined him" bandwagon hard and heavy. Seats are limited. Get yours now. Wade's classic "fall down" tactic is well documented for NFL RBs. It's a little known fact that Wade and Troy Hambrick used to be neighbors.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Put me in the camp that says our RB situation is just fine. What difference does it make if Julius (or either guy) is a "feature back"? As long as the two of them produce well overall, it doesn't make a bit of difference -- except maybe to their agents.

And also include me in the group that thinks Tyson Thompson could use some carries, too. I think he can play.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Put me in the camp that says our RB situation is just fine. What difference does it make if Julius (or either guy) is a "feature back"? As long as the two of them produce well overall, it doesn't make a bit of difference -- except maybe to their agents.

And also include me in the group that thinks Tyson Thompson could use some carries, too. I think he can play.

Me too... I can wait atleast one more year to see this tandem at work with a better O-line...

Jones in 2006 - 1084 yards on 267 carries - 4.1 ypc
Barber in 2006 - 654 yards on 135 carries - 4.8 ypc

I would say that this tandem was more than effective.

 

[dogunwo]

Julius Jones is not a feature back. He came out on fire last season and as the season wore on he wore down and ended witha whimper. The message is clear limit his carries and he is effective.

Barber is a beast and without question deserves a shot at being featured but with his running style he is going to be prone to injury.

Tyson Thompson never proved anything really before he was hurt and now who knows with him.

How much do you guys think we need a running back? is Barber/Jones going to be enough?

So with all that being said i would absolutely love to see us draft a RB on the first day. FA RBs are an unsure thing but historically RBs have the highest rate of coming in and contributing immediately as rookies. Are there any good backs that might still be tehre at 22?

Does anyone else think that it was Parcells holding JJ back? He wanted him to be Rodney Hampton.

 

[mmillman]

Jones isn't instinctive and Barber is a plugger. The offense needs a rb that keeps the defenses honest. Seattle just sat back in their cover 2 and the RB's didn't make them pay. Now that might have been more due to play calling than ability but after watching both rb's for a long time I think we have seen the extent of their abilities. They can be an effective combo with a talented wr corp or a stud offensive line. Right now we have two studs at WR and a good TE. The problem there is that the WR's are both approching mid 30's and their skills are in decline and they are injury prone. Not to mention the other problems T.O. brings. Find a stud WR or a stud RB to help Romo or this experiment only has a year or two left in it.

Maroney or Jackson would have looked much better with stars on their helmets.

 

[Doomsday101]

Does anyone else think that it was Parcells holding JJ back? He wanted him to be Rodney Hampton.

I don't think Parcells was holding him back or some how hindered him. I like Jones but I think he has to show himself this season as a more consistent RB

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I see what is happening here. It really seems to me for the most part people are twisting this into the old Barber needs more carries debate.

A team needs three running backs and with Jones now needing an OL to see if hes any good and Barber's uncertainty with 250+ carries I still see it as a position of need.

That kid from Cal, Moss, would be excellent value at 22.